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Why can't KONAMI get even the basic logical things right

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MysteryMan

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Lets take shooting for example, now even if we ignore all the flaws it has, the ridicilous low power in them thats present so many times even with ppl with over 90 shoot power , the floater balls , the flying over the bar even if you tap the shoot button, even if all that is ignored the shoots are still completely screwed and completely opposite as in real life, they swerve completely wrong.

Here is an example



left how it works in real life, right how it works in Pes 2011.

I mean seriously guys..... seriously.... how can you do that lol , its completely ridicilous.
 
OnlyProEvo

OnlyProEvo

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I wouldn't go as far as saying the ball/kicking physics are that bad, but I do understand where you're coming from.

You have to get used to the shooting on PES.
 
iamcanadianeh

iamcanadianeh

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I seriously don't see your point.

The shot on the right is entirely possible in real life, happens all the time. And low power? Wow, that's the overstatment of the year IMO. The shots seem very very powerful in my opinion.

Also, I almost never sky the shots over the net, and I'm not really tapping the button.
 
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MysteryMan

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iamcanadianeh said:
I seriously don't see your point.

The shot on the right is entirely possible in real life, happens all the time. And low power? Wow, that's the overstatment of the year IMO. The shots seem very very powerful in my opinion.

Also, I almost never sky the shots over the net, and I'm not really tapping the button.
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I guess you failed your physics , if you kick the ball with the inside of your foot its not going to swerve like on the 2nd picture, its physically impossible.
 
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u1tradt

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MysteryMan said:
if you kick the ball with the inside of your foot its not going to swerve like on the 2nd picture, its physically impossible.
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Clearly you've never played or watched real football. That shot is definitely physically possible and is sometime referred to as 'slicing' the ball. Personally I've pulled it off a few times myself and some of my friends, who are better than me by quite a high margin, pull it off with ease because of the power and consistency they're able to lash the ball.

If you don't believe me then look at some of Cristiano Ronaldo and Drogba's free kicks over the past 2 seasons.
 
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MysteryMan

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Montanaro

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MysteryMan said:
that is indeed IMPOSSIBLE.
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No it isn't.

I'm curious if you have ever played any sort of game that involves spherical objects. Outside of basketball, almost every ball sport has demonstrated this "impossible" spin.

Perhaps you should spend less time on the PC?
 
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MysteryMan

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Montanaro said:
No it isn't.

I'm curious if you have ever played any sort of game that involves spherical objects. Outside of basketball, almost every ball sport has demonstrated this "impossible" spin.

Perhaps you should spend less time on the PC?
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So your saying if a ball spins towards the right, it can curl to the left? lol, good stuff there, when you provide a video of such a feat then come back, but I have never seen that happen in real life or on tv, ever.
 
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Montanaro

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MysteryMan said:
So your saying if a ball spins towards the right, it can curl to the left? lol, good stuff there, when you provide a video of such a feat then come back, but I have never seen that happen in real life or on tv, ever.
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Your MS Paint example is hardly scientific. :laugh:
 
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MysteryMan

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It doesn't have to be, go watch soccer matches and see what happens in real life.

Even if this would be scientifically possible which im pretty sure it isn't, it almost never happens , if the ball spins to the right its going to curl to the right, and if a player kicks it that way , then it should.
 
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Montanaro

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Your point was if you hit it with the inside of your foot, it should only be possible to curve one way; quote "if you kick the ball with the inside of your foot its not going to swerve like on the 2nd picture"

That's not true, if you kick the ball with the inside of your foot, and curve your foot outwards or point your toes outwards (poor technique?) the ball can swerve slightly outwards.

Let's say in game, you take a shot while your off balanced, or have someone pressing you, if you have someone with poor shot technique, it's very possible the ball will bend in an odd direction. I've done it before, it's possible.
 
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jayjay1306

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Im with MysteryMan on this one. Yes a ball can travel in two directions based on shot technique i.e Drogba, Ronaldo etc but if you hit the ball with the inside of your foot (not laces), the ball will never 'swerve' but 'curl'. You'd look a complete spastic trying to get a ball to swerve using the inside of your foot. It'd have to be sidefooted on a slice which would stop you from generating any power at all.

The shooting most times is decent but little things like if under pressure you can rarely smash a shot - most efforts are just lame. The R2 Herny-esque finishes aren't as powerful from outside the box e.g Rooney's effort against Valencia tonight.
 
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MysteryMan

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Montanaro said:
Your point was if you hit it with the inside of your foot, it should only be possible to curve one way; quote "if you kick the ball with the inside of your foot its not going to swerve like on the 2nd picture"

That's not true, if you kick the ball with the inside of your foot, and curve your foot outwards or point your toes outwards (poor technique?) the ball can swerve slightly outwards.

Let's say in game, you take a shot while your off balanced, or have someone pressing you, if you have someone with poor shot technique, it's very possible the ball will bend in an odd direction. I've done it before, it's possible.
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I didn't say its impossible, well I kinda did but I was overreacting, but in Pes I noticed that you are under no pressure and based on the replay you kick the ball so it should curl in the opposite direction based on the players foot and follow trough , and yet it always curls opposite of that, and you should know that usually in soccer that doesn't happen, players usually hit it the way im describing and it usually curls towards the goal aswell.
 
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MysteryMan

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jayjay1306 said:
e.g Rooney's effort against Valencia tonight.
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Good example, I mean I never saw that in pes, not only that I never really saw it curl in that way, at least not from my goal replays that I watched , which is very odd... because its the way players usually hit the ball.
 
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u1tradt

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jayjay1306 said:
...the ball will never 'swerve' but 'curl'.
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What's the difference?

This way of hitting the ball requires great technique to be pulled off consistently and I've seen it happen many time both in RL and in games on TV. The times I pull it off is mostly fluky I must admit but I've seen friends do it consistently with ease and could tell it wasn't a fluke.

I remember a few seasons ago when Chelsea were at home to Arsenal and just after Arsenal took the lead around the 75th minute, Essien had the ball about 30 yards out and pulled off this beauty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9DhnG37mrc

Can anyone claim that he didn't mean to do that? Was he off balance at all? Was he under any pressure? It's all about technique and is definitely possible.
 
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jayjay1306

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u1tradt said:
What's the difference?

This way of hitting the ball requires great technique to be pulled off consistently and I've seen it happen many time both in RL and in games on TV. The times I pull it off is mostly fluky I must admit but I've seen friends do it consistently with ease and could tell it wasn't a fluke.

I remember a few seasons ago when Chelsea were at home to Arsenal and just after Arsenal took the lead around the 75th minute, Essien had the ball about 30 yards out and pulled off this beauty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9DhnG37mrc

Can anyone claim that he didn't mean to do that? Was he off balance at all? Was he under any pressure? It's all about technique and is definitely possible.
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That link has just confirmed that you are confused. Essien has smashed that with the outside of his boot. The difference between a curl and a swerve is:

Curl - A vintage David Beckham free kick - using the INSIDE of his boot.
Swerve - Roberto Carlos against France - using the OUTSIDE of his boot.

When Becks whips a cross in from the right using the INSIDE of his foot the ball will never spin in a rightwards motion but ALWAYS in a leftwards motion or at the most, straight.
 
Stormrider

Stormrider

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Pes has never gotten ball curl/swerve/whatever you wanna call it, right at all. Things are looking a bit better this time around but swerve, especially on free kicks, have looked pathetic for a long time. The last time it was decent was Pes 3.
 
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Montanaro

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has anyone figured out that knuckle ball shot? I may give it a go tomorrow. However with the free kicks as they are, it's pretty easy to nail one without having to do a trick.
 
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