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I finally bought PES 2012. Best. Game. Ever.

abu97

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Exactly, I've found a way to enjoy it.

I suppose I just like to see the positives rather than focus on the negatives. I also live my life with a similar attitude. Shoot me down if that's a bad thing.

And as for player individuality, try dribbling past the whole team with a keeper. I find that players are very different, and some can do what others can't.
You don't need dribbling to beat a keeper on PES, you need speed, strength and a speed merchant. Btw, I'm not saying there is no player individuality at all, I'm just saying there is a little
 

jMz

I beg your pardon?
You don't need dribbling to beat a keeper on PES, you need speed, strength and a speed merchant. Btw, I'm not saying there is no player individuality at all, I'm just saying there is a little
No, I meant use the keeper to dribble up the pitch and try to score.... You'll notice a huge difference between even the best keepers and someone like Messi. That's just an extreme example. Shoot from 30 yds with Zidane then shoot from the same spot with someone like Gary Neville. Tell me they are the same... or even similar.

To be fair, if you're playing PES with all the best players, where's the challenge? That's not being positive that's just loading the deck :lol:
I used a paragraph to separate those comments.
My team selection was a shortcut to quickly get the team I would have tried to build had I got the game on release day. I have missed out on months of PES2012 since it's release, and starting now, by the time I got the team I want, the new game will be out!

My comments on being positive were aimed at looking past the minor flaws of the game, not the team I use. It just seems some are saying the game is terrible when I don't think it is. It's not perfect, but then nothing is. If it was they would have no reason to bring a new game out every year.
 

blazer89

Registered User
I agree, but I think it goes deeper than that. The AI doesn't exist yet, the difficulty on PES is response based...

Not sure what you mean by response based. If you can accept that the game plays more to strategy and attributes it becomes a lot more enjoyable. Sure it might not always look right, but at least there is an underlying explanation.

@blazer
I'm not looking for tips on how to play the game.

On the shooting thing you mentioned it mainly occurred when playing BAL on superstar, the shooting is so automated.
You have to admit the shooting is broke!
The amount of times your player kicks the ball when he's had a perfect run up to it and struck it cleanly, but yet it ends up trickling to the keeper...

It really was more of a rebuke. ;)

It sounds to me like you just haven't got a handle on the timing required in the game, especially if your shots are trickling up to the keeper. :rolleyes:

The only thing you touched on that needs adjusting is the headers by the CPU. After patch 1.06 there are way too many absurd CPU header goals on crosses, and no real apparent way to defend against them (though I'm not ruling out that there is a way).
 

abu97

Registered User
No, I meant use the keeper to dribble up the pitch and try to score.... You'll notice a huge difference between even the best keepers and someone like Messi. That's just an extreme example. Shoot from 30 yds with Zidane then shoot from the same spot with someone like Gary Neville. Tell me they are the same... or even similar.
If my keeper had 90 top speed and dribble speed, then yes I would have a slight chance to get past the players and score. Also Zidane can shoot better because he has more power than Neville who has less than 80 so his shot will be floaty. Speed and power are represented fine, but not everything else
 

jMz

I beg your pardon?
If my keeper had 90 top speed and dribble speed, then yes I would have a slight chance to get past the players and score. Also Zidane can shoot better because he has more power than Neville who has less than 80 so his shot will be floaty. Speed and power are represented fine, but not everything else

So is that not individuality?
I don't mean to be a dick (I can't help it!) but your argument is weak my friend!
The basics are a staple to most players, even in real life, which is what makes them good enough to play professionally, some shine at specific skills, and I believe this is represented. Zidane feels very different to say Van Der Vaart, Rijkaard feels very different to Titus Bramble. Matthaus is different to Cabaye. I could go on.
 

abu97

Registered User
I said previously that strength (including stature and size), power (shooting) and speed are different to players but the rest such as first touches or jumo are merely the same. When I move Matthaus around the pitch and then I move Cabaye they feel no different to each other. Movement is the same but when I shoot, then I notice the difference etc.

When I control Zidane in PES 2012, I don't feel that he is a completely different player to Van Der Vaart apart from his strength and stature - I can do small touches like VdV does with Zidane and stroll around the pitch like Zidane with Vdv. I can break up defences with a pass like Xavi or Zidane using bloody Bramble so Player individuality is poorly displayed. Its harder for me to get past players with Kaka or Hazard than Arshavin etc.
 

Makavelian

Registered User
Not sure what you mean by response based. If you can accept that the game plays more to strategy and attributes it becomes a lot more enjoyable. Sure it might not always look right, but at least there is an underlying explanation.



It really was more of a rebuke. ;)

It sounds to me like you just haven't got a handle on the timing required in the game, especially if your shots are trickling up to the keeper. :rolleyes:

The only thing you touched on that needs adjusting is the headers by the CPU. After patch 1.06 there are way too many absurd CPU header goals on crosses, and no real apparent way to defend against them (though I'm not ruling out that there is a way).

It might not be like this if your using top players, but if you use medium type teams it's really apparent. Clearly your copy of the game is better than what everyone else has.
The game play mod on the pc improves the physics on shooting a bit but still you have these grandma shots.
 

jMz

I beg your pardon?
I said previously that strength (including stature and size), power (shooting) and speed are different to players but the rest such as first touches or jumo are merely the same. When I move Matthaus around the pitch and then I move Cabaye they feel no different to each other. Movement is the same but when I shoot, then I notice the difference etc.

When I control Zidane in PES 2012, I don't feel that he is a completely different player to Van Der Vaart apart from his strength and stature - I can do small touches like VdV does with Zidane and stroll around the pitch like Zidane with Vdv. I can break up defences with a pass like Xavi or Zidane using bloody Bramble so Player individuality is poorly displayed. Its harder for me to get past players with Kaka or Hazard than Arshavin etc.
Again I have to disagree, when receiving a difficult ball, first touch is very different between players, all players should be able to control your average pass, that's why they are pros! Matthaus doesn't get tired as quickly as Cabaye, he is better at tackling, his dribbling is quicker and more accurate, and the effect he has on the other players is easily noticeable, and as for passing, if you have the assist turned down, it's letting you use your skill. My team feels different if I have Cruyff playing, the players seem to work together better.
And the reason most players seem to move similarly is because they are all human, and bipedal, and it's JUST A GAME!!!
I just don't see where you are going with this, you say players lack individuality, but there are no two players with the same stats. It may not look it on the surface but the stats control allsorts of factors.
Jump just looks similar because of the small margins, but in the box where it matters you can tell.
Like I said earlier, ALL players must have a certain level of base ability or they would have never been pros in the first place. A good example of this would be to watch a local small team, they still manage to pass the ball around fine, and sometimes score goals from 20 yards etc. I've seen some cracking football in the lower leagues. FFS even I can score Zidane-esque volleys messing around in the park. Not every time, granted, but that's the difference.
The truth is, I think people take what they want from the game, and it seems to me you WANT to dislike it.
 

abu97

Registered User
When you revieve a ball, MOST players trap it the same way. Players with the dribble accuracy of less than 70 trap it the same way but their touch is different (body position to trap it are always the same). Matthaus and Cabaye feel the same even after 85 mins as in PES, stamina has a very little effect so their performances are still similar. Every player with the stamina of over 75 get tired at the same time, trust me

If I put passing on 0, I have a bit if input but the stays of players don't! I once pressed the long ball power bar to the max with Nesta and he didn't even overhit the pass to Abate! One touch passing between players is still shit anyway as even if you put full bar, they sometimes just tap it in front of them. I can do the same pass everytime regardless of the player - I can switch sides so accurately with Oscar Cardozo who has 67 long pass acc and I can also do it with Xavi so there is no individuality with passing.

I agree with you that a lot of players can pass easily but players from lower leagues do it less coherently and consistently - If I let Perea switch sides 10 times, he'd do it perfectly the 10 times which he can't in real life.
 

rrrrohit

Registered User
wanna change from fifa to PES, CONFUSED

hi guys, myself Rohit
i wannna change from fifa to PES , but i m feeling myself very much lacking in game editing knowledge .
So would anyone plz help me in knowing how adding these new patches containing barclays league n kits work.
And does this work only in pirated modes or original too.
could it become a "COMPLETE " game after all these patches like fifa ?
P.S. : m not saying fifa is complete in everyway
 

Qmatteuws

Registered User
hi guys, myself Rohit
i wannna change from fifa to PES , but i m feeling myself very much lacking in game editing knowledge .
So would anyone plz help me in knowing how adding these new patches containing barclays league n kits work.
And does this work only in pirated modes or original too.
could it become a "COMPLETE " game after all these patches like fifa ?
P.S. : m not saying fifa is complete in everyway

What platform you want to play PES? PC, PS3, XBOX

The patches/option file (OF) work on original or pira**d modes.
 

cr381ve

Registered User
With all due respect, anyone who questions the presence of player individuality in PES is missing something substantial. It's by far the main characteristic that defines the way the game feels at the core. Even on 0 bars pass support and all additional assistance switched off, the player individuality screams at you. If there are two different players that feel and respond in an identical manner I am yet to come across them. The player animations may be similar but thats where the similarity ends, their weight. close control, passing ability. dribbling abilty, physical strength and speed all vary definitively. It's so individualised that even players who have identical stats feel very different if they have different skill cards. If you play with pass support on, then the contrast between players is dampened considerably, but is still pretty blatant and cannot be missed.
 

abu97

Registered User
With all due respect, anyone who questions the presence of player individuality in PES is missing something substantial. It's by far the main characteristic that defines the way the game feels at the core. Even on 0 bars pass support and all additional assistance switched off, the player individuality screams at you. If there are two different players that feel and respond in an identical manner I am yet to come across them. The player animations may be similar but thats where the similarity ends, their weight. close control, passing ability. dribbling abilty, physical strength and speed all vary definitively. It's so individualised that even players who have identical stats feel very different if they have different skill cards. If you play with pass support on, then the contrast between players is dampened considerably, but is still pretty blatant and cannot be missed.
Close control? Yeah, thats why I see players like Mikel trap the ball like Iniesta. Speed is f'ed up anyway as at times, players like Walcott can't outrun Ivanovic but players like Forlan can :facepalm:

Stamina, heading, dribble acc., free kicks etc., they all have little individuality and if you can't see that, you are playing a different game to PES 2012
 

Wewillgreetu

Registered User
List all your faults about Pez
questions since you've had such a running argument already what are you doing on a Pes website if you so much hate Pes ? My question being if you're such a FIFA fanboy get off our webpage I am tired of hearing FIFA fanboys with nothing to do than to come onto our website details how much they hate our game to be hated don't play but shut up about it

I have already did this on another thread were it was appropiate. This was about the many faults with the game I had noticed. I do not hate the franchise and neither do I play FIFA. Infact the last time I owned a FIFA game, it was FIFA 1998 The road to the World cup.

I am here to talk all things PES. Whether these be good points or bad points about the game. This is a forum were the developers should be looking too for ideas. Sure it would take time reading through everyones ideas but why not take away several of the good ideas I have seen on here? I suppose it would be crazy for game developers to actually listen to the fans these days though.

As for individuality, it is a hit and miss for me. Sometimes I can notice and other times I am confused by it. I guess the form of a player has alot to do with it. I mean when a player is on a red, it seems he can do no wrong at times. Individuality for most of the game is the same for me. I cannot say I notice it a whole alot.
 

killravyn

Registered User
I have already did this on another thread were it was appropiate. This was about the many faults with the game I had noticed. I do not hate the franchise and neither do I play FIFA. Infact the last time I owned a FIFA game, it was FIFA 1998 The road to the World cup.

I am here to talk all things PES. Whether these be good points or bad points about the game. This is a forum were the developers should be looking too for ideas. Sure it would take time reading through everyones ideas but why not take away several of the good ideas I have seen on here? I suppose it would be crazy for game developers to actually listen to the fans these days though.

As for individuality, it is a hit and miss for me. Sometimes I can notice and other times I am confused by it. I guess the form of a player has alot to do with it. I mean when a player is on a red, it seems he can do no wrong at times. Individuality for most of the game is the same for me. I cannot say I notice it a whole alot.

I do have to apologize for my earlier behavior and statement I must of been most in a foul mood and reading what I perceived as a running argument and yet another bashing of my Pes what they have looks like another type/beat the fan I acted uncivilized I do apologize for my behavior and my statements and hope that you can find it to forgive me
 
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Wewillgreetu

Registered User
I do have to apologize for my earlier behavior and statement I must of been most in a foul mood and reading what I perceived as a running argument and yet another bashing of my Pes what they have looks like another type/beat the fan I acted uncivilized I do apologize for my behavior and my statements and hope that you can find it to forgive me

Its cool it just annoys me if someone dislikes the game then they are given the tag FIFA fanboy lol I mean that is a pretty bad name to call someone. I can tolerate all sorts but FIFA fanboy :angry: thats below the belt lol I have to admit though I don't have many good things to say about PES 2012.
 

abu97

Registered User
I have already did this on another thread were it was appropiate. This was about the many faults with the game I had noticed. I do not hate the franchise and neither do I play FIFA. Infact the last time I owned a FIFA game, it was FIFA 1998 The road to the World cup.

I am here to talk all things PES. Whether these be good points or bad points about the game. This is a forum were the developers should be looking too for ideas. Sure it would take time reading through everyones ideas but why not take away several of the good ideas I have seen on here? I suppose it would be crazy for game developers to actually listen to the fans these days though.

As for individuality, it is a hit and miss for me. Sometimes I can notice and other times I am confused by it. I guess the form of a player has alot to do with it. I mean when a player is on a red, it seems he can do no wrong at times. Individuality for most of the game is the same for me. I cannot say I notice it a whole alot.

Bang on
 
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