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How to defend through ball *spammers*

PEStroll

Registered User
Here's my personal method:
  1. You have to be able to read the match when a through ball is going to take place
    • Commonly this happens when a CF or SS runs forward and a passing player has some space to execute a pass
  2. Immediately flick your right stick (I'm using PS3) toward your last defender (CB) to switch your cursor to him, and make him run deep to the back
    • Using L1 to change cursor is mostly not fast enough (or doesn't switch to the right defender), while using right stick can switch your cursor manually and directly to CB
    • Using manual offside trap is also advisable, but probability of getting a bad timing is common - considering possible gameplay lag, etc (in my case)
With above scenario, your CB won't have to go shoulder-to-shoulder, and eventually being outrun against opponent's CF (especially if that CF has high body balance and speed stats such as Hulk or CR7).

Good luck and let me know how it works for you.

PS.
  1. My Cursor Change setting is 'semi-assisted'
  2. IMO, those *spammers* are actually playing a real football. We just have to know how to defend against it. As we can see, there are so many unbelievable passes/shots in real football also. However, that's an argument for another thread.
 
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oziz14

Registered User
Here's my personal method:
  1. My Cursor Change setting is 'semi-assisted'


  1. I think this is very important...

    But I don't agree with you they are playing real football, because real football means passing, dribbling, shooting..etc.

    These guys are PROGRAMMED to press triangle, run and shoot:D
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
Here's my personal method:
  1. You have to be able to read the match when a through ball is going to take place
    • Commonly this happens when a CF or SS runs forward and a passing player has some space to execute a pass
  2. Immediately flick your right stick (I'm using PS3) toward your last defender (CB) to switch your cursor to him, and make him run deep to the back
    • Using L1 to change cursor is mostly not fast enough (or doesn't switch to the right defender), while using right stick can switch your cursor manually and directly to CB
    • Using manual offside trap is also advisable, but probability of getting a bad timing is common - considering possible gameplay lag, etc (in my case)
With above scenario, your CB won't have to go shoulder-to-shoulder, and eventually being outrun against opponent's CF (especially if that CF has high body balance and speed stats such as Hulk or CR7).

Good luck and let me know how it works for you.

PS.
  1. My Cursor Change setting is 'semi-assisted'
  2. IMO, those *spammers* are actually playing a real football. We just have to know how to defend against it. As we can see, there are so many unbelievable passes/shots in real football also. However, that's an argument for another thread.

It works, but only to a degree depending on circumstances. Plus, you're missing the point that this is a bug with the game which requires zero skill and results in some really ugly football being played. The fact is that even if the above method was 100% effective, you still have to play against these people who are trying to exploit the game not play it, and it's still frustrating because if people would just play fair and like real football the game could be brilliant and so much more enjoyable. Spam spam spam spam... It get's boring and old so fast!
 

PEStroll

Registered User
It works, but only to a degree depending on circumstances.
Precisely, PES is the closest thing to real football, nothing is 100% sure and everything depends on different circumstances.

...if people would just play fair and like real football the game...
...and how do you define 'play fair'?

Is it people who doesn't pull those long thru balls can be considered 'play fair'?

Is it pulling those long passes up front more than 5 times a game is considered 'spamming?

Is it because your defense often got deteriorated by those long balls, and you hate your opponents for it?

Is it because you don't know how to pull those long balls at the right timing/circumstances?

You see, there are no exact definition on 'spamming' here. So everybody has a different way to describe it.
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
Precisely, PES is the closest thing to real football, nothing is 100% sure and everything depends on different circumstances.


...and how do you define 'play fair'?

Is it people who doesn't pull those long thru balls can be considered 'play fair'?

Is it pulling those long passes up front more than 5 times a game is considered 'spamming?

Is it because your defense often got deteriorated by those long balls, and you hate your opponents for it?

Is it because you don't know how to pull those long balls at the right timing/circumstances?

You see, there are no exact definition on 'spamming' here. So everybody has a different way to describe it.

I don't buy any of that. For one, I was very, very, very good at the through ball when the game first came out, but decided it was too cheap and chose to stop using it. I can still pull it off when I want as well (it's soooo easy, that's the problem!!!).

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you because you're really not making any really considerable points in my opinion. Dig a little deeper and make a more solid argument then maybe we would have something to debate ;)

Also note that I am pretty good at defending against this. I don't concede from it too often, but as I've said in the past my big beef with it is that it ruins the game. When I play against someone who plays with hardly any possession and every time they get the ball the hoof it up the field to van der mirch or mphela, it makes for a really ugly game. I mean, watch any football match and tell me that it would still be realistic if every time one of the teams gets the ball they kick the ball way up the pitch to a striker and just hope he manages to get through on net. If you play with that tactic in real life it would be entirely ineffective and your team would have no fans/supporters because you play such ugly football. PES 2013 is the first PES to have suffered from the fact that it is generally an effective tactic to play this way because of poor defender AI. It needs to be fixed, end of.

PS - As for how to define how many times per game you can do this and still consider yourself a fair player, answer that question yourself. For me it more comes down to how long the pass is. If it's a fifty yarder that took no build up to create, then it's cheap IMO. There are times however when I am in possession and I "SEE" a really clear and obvious throughball, and in those cases I do obviously choose to make the pass. The difference is that I'm not looking for it, I wait for the opportunity and play with possession. That's the real key, and the ironic thing is that it's actually much more effective and fun to play that way!
 

markcross

Banned
pestroll u are spot on with your views regarding the way people moan and call thru balls spamming, basically they are complaining cos they get beat and claim its only cos their opponent cheats by spammimg thru balls!!! deal with it is what i say, learn to defend against it instead of moaning about it, and as for people looking for a 100% way to stop any thru ball getting thru??? wtf is'nt that a sure fire route to spamming and exploiting glitches in the game? i admire these players who can slice thru my defence with a good thru ball cos i know how to defend them but a skillful player will pick me apart now an then, pestroll u sound like a good player, if you wanna gane online pm me pal
 

DIECI

Registered User
nice post! This is how I play through passes too. I tell you this, once you master playing defense in this game you could shut anyone out, Barca, Real, it doesn't matter! Its a beautiful thing playing D in PES2013!
 

abu97

Registered User
I always use that tactic as once a through ball is hit, you will no way catch the player at the end of it if he's a speedster (Van Der Mirch is a common one). Manually going back or having two players on an attacker is a great way of halting those through balls, but timing can be difficult.

You have some players out there who just press the through ball button whenever they go forward, so at times it is predictable and can be prevented - another good way is to mark their fastest striker with your fastest centre back.

Whilst it is up to anyone on how football can be played, through balls are way too easy on PES - I stopped playing on 2 bar because it takes no skill to execute one, thus removing the satisfaction of scoring a goal. 1 bar is great and rewarding and through balls are a treat when you get it right. The problem remains in every oher pass assist higher and Konami should have atleast made an effort on increasing the difficulty of executing through balls to perfection
 

PEStroll

Registered User
I always use that tactic as once a through ball is hit, you will no way catch the player at the end of it if he's a speedster (Van Der Mirch is a common one). Manually going back or having two players on an attacker is a great way of halting those through balls, but timing can be difficult.
You're right, this method has to be executed manually. There's no way you can rely on automatic cursor switching to defend against these thru balls.

How do I know this? Because I used to be a thru ball spammer myself, and I have experience enough how to stop this.

The only way this method doesn't work is because I got late on switching cursor, and speedy beast like CR7/Ibra/Suarez/Hulk got away with it.
 

PEStroll

Registered User
pestroll u are spot on with your views regarding the way people moan and call thru balls spamming, basically they are complaining cos they get beat and claim its only cos their opponent cheats by spammimg thru balls!!! deal with it is what i say, learn to defend against it instead of moaning about it, and as for people looking for a 100% way to stop any thru ball getting thru??? wtf is'nt that a sure fire route to spamming and exploiting glitches in the game? i admire these players who can slice thru my defence with a good thru ball cos i know how to defend them but a skillful player will pick me apart now an then, pestroll u sound like a good player, if you wanna gane online pm me pal
I completely agree with you, and that's what I call good sport. Instead of whining how this or that is a glitch, better find a solution of it, and laugh at those spammers because their method no longer works.
 

frenkie

Registered User
I'm playing on keyboard so i can't use right stick but i still can defend through balls easly. Stop with the excuses and learn to play.
 

pringleton

Registered User
I gottas agree with some of the posters on here- the beauty of football is that there are different ways of playing, be it crossing, through balls, passing to death etc there's no right or wrong. Is it cheating that Barcelona won't give the ball away and let other teams attack? Is it cheating that Real Madrid give Ronaldo the ball and let him have a go or Spurs do the same with Bale? Is it cheating if you have a beast in attack and keep crossing it in?

If you see an obvious killer pass and don't take it...you fool!! Do you think Xavi or Iniesta would do that?! It's up to people to find ways round it- it can be done and this is the beauty of the game so enjoy and adapt!
 

frenkie

Registered User
I gottas agree with some of the posters on here- the beauty of football is that there are different ways of playing, be it crossing, through balls, passing to death etc there's no right or wrong. Is it cheating that Barcelona won't give the ball away and let other teams attack? Is it cheating that Real Madrid give Ronaldo the ball and let him have a go or Spurs do the same with Bale? Is it cheating if you have a beast in attack and keep crossing it in?

If you see an obvious killer pass and don't take it...you fool!! Do you think Xavi or Iniesta would do that?! It's up to people to find ways round it- it can be done and this is the beauty of the game so enjoy and adapt!

I totally agree with you.
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
I totally agree with you.

It would be easy to see it that way if you're a spammer yourself. If you tried to play the game realistically, you would be pulling your hair out at the way so many people try to abuse the game as opposed to playing it fairly. It's a cheat because it takes little or no skill, it's entirely unrealistic, and although you can find ways around it, there are major sacrifices that must be made in your tactics if you want to do so. Moreover, the game itself is ruined because of the way these exploiters play.

Also, the argument that there are different ways to play doesn't follow, because way too many people online play to exploit the through pass. That's the point. As long as people are exploiting that flaw with this years game, in fact it means that people CAN'T play any way they want to, and there is far from enough variation in the way people are playing. It's garbage, but I blame Konami because it's an obvious flaw that needs fixing, and there are always going to be people who try to take advantage of such flaws, even to the degree that they will try to justify it to themselves and to others on gaming forums such as this.
 
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