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Why hate those 'through ball spammers'?

StephDedalus1

Registered User
Set your pass assist at 1 or below, also set your ranking match's pass assist on 'similar setting' (or something like that), and let's quit bitching about meeting opponents abusing long thru balls.

Lets. Great posting, and in no way do I mean that sarcastically.
 

hi77

Registered User
i played with someone and as usually he picked up real madrid his plan 4-2-4(f*** you konami) he only doing 1 things throwing the ball from every where , every touch its simply a through ball .
my possession 56% & my passes completed 82% (ac milan) and his passes 55% .
he won me 5-4 thanks to C.ronaldo .
sorry for my english .
 

frenkie

Registered User
You just have to know how to defent it. Nobody can do through ball against me because i always have defender on the back.
 

Seniorpenguin

New Member
So what you're saying is, don't criticize me, criticize the game. What a great way to assume responsibility of your actions, and what an even greater way to undermine your apparent amazing "rating". Further, your philosophy demeans whatever accomplishments you've achieved, no? The tired "don't hate the player..." routine creates a vacuum, sucking out whatever greatness you think you've reached. I'm not "hating" on your "hate" of "haters", but instead am left questioning where that leaves you. So, your little saying has built into it a criticism of the game, and in a way, admits some kind of fault. Anyway, I never understood the "don't hate the player.." schtick when it appeared over ten years ago. I think this has to do with why it has been virtually eliminated from common usage years ago (I'd have to give you congrats on sticking with something that's become so cliché and out of date). I seriously, for many different reasons, think you should put some thought into what you're really saying when you make the "hater" claim. It seems as one of those sayings that people repeat without ever really thinking about. Plus, why put such a premium on being undefeated in a video game? In any event, I think I speak for most on pesgaming.com by saying that we really don't care to hear about how proud you are of yourself. Of course, because this is an open forum, we can only "hate" the "game", and listen to somebody tout themselves, right?

I have just joined this forum today because of the 'through ball spammers' your post is just how I feel completely. I do not want to play a competitive game worrying before each game that the guy is a 'through ball guy' which i do. I can't believe this guy condones his 'tactics' pure bullshit so u actually enjoy playing pes through balling 95% of the time just so you win or score? A van der Mirch owner for sure... the cliches are painful, will people ever stop applying everything in life to them!! What also annoys me is that a 86 van persie or anyone of that mould who is not quick is not as valuable as a lower rated player with high pace everyone has the same players and speed is what ruins football games or the lack of chance given to defend it... Sorry for the bad grammar Im off to bed
 

frenkie

Registered User
How the hell you will send trough ball if i have defender on the back that mark him? Explain me that. Why the hell that never happens to me? I played with my friends and they always complaining about trough balls. WHY THE HELL THEN YOU DON't SEND TROUGH BALL? Because you can't.
I played over 5000 matches online and i never had problem with "trough ball spammers".
 

adam-osman

Registered User
This is a simple case of PEStroll not understanding the concept of feature abusing and imbalance. He is of a very common breed of gamer, those simple-minded fellows who say "It's in the game, so use it!" completely misunderstanding the concept of balanced game design.

I hate to bring up COD, but consider the noob-tubes w/ Scavenger + Danger Close. A simpleton like PEStroll would say "Why not use them?! It's in the game and it's not a cheat!".

Which is true, but he's missed the point. This discussion is about exploits. The current PES gameplay system can be exploited too easily. Partly because the defensive AI is poor, partly because fast players are overpowered (having speed is one thing, knowing how to use it is another - consider Angbonlahor for Villa), and partly because through balls are too accurate too often.

The spamming of the chipped through ball is an exploit. It abuses the gaming system in order to get goals at any cost. It comes from an imbalance, where the defending team is at a severe unfair disadvantage to the attacking team.

Game results should reflect skill - that's basic knowledge. However, in this game, said tactic causes goals which do not require skill. Thus, it is an exploit.

Just because it's not a cheat, nor hack, does not mean it is fair. This is a concept I don't think PEStroll understands.
 

adam-osman

Registered User
You just have to know how to defent it. Nobody can do through ball against me because i always have defender on the back.

I think everyone has defenders at the back. That's what defenders are.

But, care to explain how to defend against it? I don't think man-marking is a viable tactic because the striker will always win the race. I think really-low Pressing and really-low Defensive Line are the solution, so as to not leave space in-behind.
 

soc160

Registered User
I think everyone has defenders at the back. That's what defenders are.

But, care to explain how to defend against it? I don't think man-marking is a viable tactic because the striker will always win the race. I think really-low Pressing and really-low Defensive Line are the solution, so as to not leave space in-behind.

I think you will have success with man marking, if you try it out against the computer a bit you'll see that if a defender is assigned a man he will follow him and step up whenever the ball is played to his man, there is little chance you will catch the defender every time a ball is played in behind you but I find that the defender will step up and block the through ball or drop with the man each time.
 

PEStroll

Registered User
This is a simple case of PEStroll not understanding the concept of feature abusing and imbalance. He is of a very common breed of gamer, those simple-minded fellows who say "It's in the game, so use it!" completely misunderstanding the concept of balanced game design.

I hate to bring up COD, but consider the noob-tubes w/ Scavenger + Danger Close. A simpleton like PEStroll would say "Why not use them?! It's in the game and it's not a cheat!".

...

The spamming of the chipped through ball is an exploit...

...Just because it's not a cheat, nor hack, does not mean it is fair. This is a concept I don't think PEStroll understands.

Geezz... I can't believe people like you are still bitchin' about it.
See the problem we have here: players who exploit the game with high thru balls.

Correct?

Here's the solution in my other thread:
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=92802

You see, this is simply about making choices. Whenever you are facing problems you can either whine about it, or find solution for it.

Furthermore, with this latest patch 1.04, thru ball spamming is now easy to be intercepted. But still I can find a few skilled players who can manage to breach my defense with high lobs. For that, I can admire their gameplay vision and timing.

My solution above is not 100% foolproof. Just like a real football, high breaching thru ball can still happen.

Only very few beautiful passes like this can happen in one single match:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85U4hiwuX_0&t=0m48s[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85U4hiwuX_0&t=0m48s

Patch 1.04 is on, this kind of exploits can be minimalized, and now we are playing one of the best football sim ever created, or 'balanced game design' (borrowing from your term).
 

PEStroll

Registered User
If you can not put this simple concept below into your game, you should play FIFA instead. They're noob friendly.

Emphasis on point #2:

1. You have to be able to read the match when a
through ball is going to take place
Commonly this happens when a CF or SS runs
forward and a passing player has some space to
execute a pass

2. Immediately flick your right stick (I'm using PS3)
toward your last defender (CB) to switch your cursor
to him, and make him run deep to the back

Using L1 to change cursor is mostly not fast enough
(or doesn't switch to the right defender), while using
right stick can switch your cursor manually and
directly to CB

Using manual offside trap is also advisable, but
probability of getting a bad timing is common -
considering possible gameplay lag, etc (in my case)

With above scenario, your CB won't have to go
shoulder-to-shoulder, and eventually being outrun
against opponent's CF (especially if that CF has high
body balance and speed stats such as Hulk or CR7).
 

ScottyGFC

Registered User
Excuses. It's ugly, cheap, predictable, repetitive and unrealistic. You're not convincing anybody by picking a few highlights and saying that it represents football, because if you watch a match, or series of matches, then watch PES 2013, you can see it's just way out of touch with reality. Plus, the bottom line is that it's cheap, and the defending AI just act like idiots... So, to you sir I say that if you really had any skill you would play fair. And if you do, I think you'll actually find you have more fun, score better goals, and know you actually earned it when you win. Plus, you won't have to try so hard to justify your playing style to yourself or others.

This is my first post on these forums, been playin pro for years and years. Just wanted to say, you sir are a legend! People who expose that glitch are just bores, why play like that every game? Where is the satisfaction?
 

PEStroll

Registered User
While my satisfaction occurs when l dismantle that thru ball exploits. How? Use that R3 right stick fuhgudssake. We can never expect that nobody won't apply that particular glitch/exploit, the same as we should expect that we are put against Real Madrid in 95% of Ranking Matches/Club Competition.

All we can do is find a solution on how to intercept those thru balls, not whining about it all the time.
 

wallpaper_01

Registered User
I'm pretty good at intercepting through balls, its all about awareness, drag a player back or play the offside trap. In real life different teams have different skills, its the same for players. You win some you lose some, quit bitching!

Some of my friends twine on the whole match when they're losing and when ever I score its the computers fault or someone didn't do something, it's never them!

I lose its my own fault, simple as that. I've played pes since the first one and to be honest it hasn't changed a lot, I used to get annoyed, but I know the game so well now, even its shortfalls that I know how to recover, so if I lose it is totally my fault, I think this is also the reason why I win so much though :D Blaming the game and you will never learn from your mistakes!

If you are going to through ball from your own half with Real Madrid all game then so be it! I will adapt my formation, maybe have an extra center back to intercept it EVERY time! I love it when you get these long ball/through ball guys, its hilarious, all they can do! You need to learn to adapt, people who go out there with the same formation will lose because you need to change to suit your opponent.

Only things that frustrate me the Ronaldo corner goals and Messi can be difficult to tackle, as in he makes crap players look good, I would like Messi to be amazing but only for amazing players, so you need to work to get the best out of him.
 

Rhapsodical

Registered User
Look this stuff happens all the time in FIFA and the NHL series. Unrealistic plays that can be repeated over more often than they happen in a real game. The thing is we are people will use the go to moves because they work. The NHL series is really bad at it. If it happened once in a lifetime in the real sport then you can do it countless times in the game. The game can claim to be sim and some people could play the game as a true sim, but that isn't the target of their audience. It's about letting people do fun things that happen not very often in real life, but more often in a game. Sadly there is more of those people who want to have fun instead of a true sim style like many of the games say they have. And every year offense gets more tools to use to exploit defense while the defense don't really get changes to truly improve.

I don't blame the people for using the moves they are given, but I don't condone using it over and over as a 1 trick pony.


ScottyGFC- Their satisfaction is to win at any costs. They themselves do enjoy it. Leaderboards in games have given these people something to strive at. When I see Joe Schmo averaging 3 goals a game in soccer with a created player then I know what type of game to expect from them. Personally I don't mind playing the exploiters that much because they can be defeated and when you do it's that much sweeter.
 

PEStroll

Registered User
Finally, last 2 posters are people who are not bitchin' about thru balls!

I love your way of thinking guys, really. No sarcasm intended. You all decide not to blame the world but to adapt to succeed.

Some people choose to whine and being lazy to use R3 right stick to drag back CBs in intercepting thru balls. But you guys choose to stand and face the music, and seems to enjoy every second of watching those passes got intercepted.

You sirs, are true legends.
 

prvjoker

Registered User
Finally, last 2 posters are people who are not bitchin' about thru balls!

I love your way of thinking guys, really. No sarcasm intended. You all decide not to blame the world but to adapt to succeed.

Some people choose to whine and being lazy to use R3 right stick to drag back CBs in intercepting thru balls. But you guys choose to stand and face the music, and seems to enjoy every second of watching those passes got intercepted.

You sirs, are true legends.


lol. This game isn't football anymore. It's some kind of arcade launcher game. The flaw is Konami's. Your defence will always push up to the line of the opposing striker.

In real life players who are aware of pacey threats will stand off such players but in pes, irrespective of defense line or pressing or whatever, your players will follow the oppositions attack line.

This is why the long ball tactic is so effective or counter etc. I basically have quit the game now because I just want to play football and I get punished for doing it, not because it's my fault but because Konami's design flaw designed to "help idiots". Don't get me wrong, I still annhilate players but when people are kicking the ball back to you so they can get ready for another counter it made me realise this is still a video game and people will exploit the game at all costs.

What made it even worse is people even message me saying sorry when they get a cheap win. There are people playing online who have adapted to this style...and they don't even enjoy it. They've become the exploiters because of fear of being exploited by others. Hey, it works so good luck to you but pass assist needs to go in pes 14 and this false back line needs fixing.

If you want an example of how to fix this problem, play 2v2 and see how beautiful football can be.

I really can't understand how pes has become like this without Konami addressing it. When 8 billion people own VDM and pick him ahead of Hulk or Ronaldo...you know something's wrong.. and the little shite doesn't even have goal poacher....
 

r9maradona

Registered User
Konami know the problems with the game, they just don't give a fuck. Thus, I will not give a fuck about their games and never buy them again.

The fact they only bothered to put 5 songs in the game this year is proof they don't give a shit anymore. I will buy Fifa from now on until there is a new competitor. Fifa isn't perfect but it is playable and fun. People actually try to play football on it instead of through ball spamming, and you can choose not to play against Ronaldo C.F nearly every single game.

As seen as nobody has responded to my thread asking for fair people to play against me online then this will be my last post on this dead forum.
 

damion

Registered User
Just stop playing it online because it's absolute shit. Problem solved.

And seriously, you're complaining about songs in the game? I've honestly never heard such a ridiculous whinge about a football game.
 

depesser

Registered User
the online has improved a lot through the latest patch , best online pes ever now.
through balls can be intercepted better now , using the cover system before a game also helps a lot.
headers online are very good also,offline headers are still very weak ,it keeps me from playing the game offline .
mlo great ,players id very good , keeps me going until pes2014 .:)
 
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