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Pes 14 opinion thus far

zz400

Registered User
This happened to me yesterday also, couldn't be bothered to capture it, but found it funny none the less :)

But it has only happened once in about 40 games so I wouldn't say it's a fail.

i mostly play 1 vs 1 with my padna , and this shit happened bout 4 times in one match. at 1st it was funny , but then it wasnt.
 

MysteryMan

Registered User
anzi has a good point about stats... it seems each year stats mean less and less.. i really dont get konami, are they retarded or what? I remember in pes6 stats meant ALOT, you could feel the difference if someone had 5 more of some stat... nowadays... can you really? even if theres 20 difference in a stat, u can barely notice the difference.
 

Rat Monkey

Registered User
I have to say I'm really enjoying the addition of the shoulder barge this year. You can really battle players off the ball, and if you don't time it right you give away a foul. For the first time in a game you can now also shoulder when on the ball and have some say in these jostles to hold the defender off.
 

damion

Registered User
Atrocious AI player selection and incredibly unresponsive.

Why wont my players shoot when he has an open goal. Does he really have to take three fucking touches every time the ball bounces to him inside the area, or out? Again, atrocious.

Having said all that there is a good game lurking underneath here some where...

I always knew that this would be shoddy and half finished as it's a new engine. I think next years version will be a big improvement and will pretty much be what this was supposed to have been. I just hope Konami haven't lost all their fans on this one.
 

$anzi£

Registered User
First of all don't sound like a pathetic little teenager and let your rage blind you to what I meant. I'm not a Fifa fan which you would like to believe just to prove your right. Don't make up lies and something you don't know, it doesn't prove anything except make you look like a child. I've been playing Pes since the super nintendo myself when it was called ISS. I've always preferred it over Fifa because it is always more realistic with its ball control physics and such.

Your wrong about passing, you can hit a nice speedy pass but then again what assist settings are you using?

As for the balance in shots, you've made a wrong assumption again.:laugh: I was more referring to the ridiculous DIFFERENCE between the power and accuracies different players could put into shots last year. Rooney and the like could blast them all the time WITH SERIOUS ACCURACY from anywhere, he's not that accurate with those powerful shots all of the time. Other players had just weak shots, e.g. walcott - Not realistic, you had to get deep into the box to score. Now players like walcott have powerful shots, and rooney can't blast into the top corner all of the time. More balanced.

I disagree about the keepers, I think they are far improved. Much harder to beat. Only gripe would be rebounds go to the attackers a bit too much, but that's largely defenders not reacting.

You got it wrong again about what I said about dribbling. I was talking about how limited it was last year in the ANGLES YOU CAN RUN AT. You had hardly any angles to run at, this stopped you from exploiting space properly and beating a defender properly because you couldn't chose the exact angle you wanted to run at. Dribbling is very free because of the 360 control. You probably have a point about acceleration, but its not ruining it for me but more importantly your talking about something different - SPEED.


This is how responding to the content of someone's post works my "friend"(as you put it). Read it first, understand it, don't make assumptions and most of all don't respond to people's posts with such juvenile, pathetic rage because you've misunderstood everything I've said and you know look like a bit of an idiot. Next time, take deep breaths.

A: I didn't call you a pathetic teenager, don't put words in my mouth.
B: I actually agreed with you on the movement, but then went on to complain that the difference in stats makes hardly any difference.
C: I didn't score with every long range shot with Wayne Rooney, and just because he hits the target, doesn't make the shot accurate, if it was accurate, it would go round the GK every time.
D. Assist level 1 (answering your question on passing)
E. Walcott does not have a powerful shot in real life and can only hit the ball hard when he uses the weight of a cross or pass... Rooney can do it from out under his feet... and If you played him down on morale, much like in real life, it nullified his ability to do so, so yes it was better balanced in 13.

Seems like we are both bad at referring to other peoples posts hey, but i like to feel my rage on a whole is justified as most people feel the same... I also went onto say I was happy for you, you liked the game and when I call someone friend, it is genuine, I like to consider everyone in the PES community as exactly that... And within the pes community i like to feel i can rage at them, as they will listen (unlike Konami)... ever heard the saying you hurt those you love most? (because they listen) well when talking about pes, this community is the family, so sorry if I raged, but it wasn't directed at you personally and never in my post did i call you a name, like me "the idiot", nor did I put my friend in quotation marks at the end of a sentence to make degrading. But now i will say something, since you took my post so personally and laughed at me and made mocking comments and told me i made myself look like an idiot... yes, you are acting like a pathetic little teenager. I did not degrade you in any way shape or form and was merely having what I thought was a debate on a game. Thank you.. And since you want to make it personal... It's now look like an idiot, not know look like an idiot. Spelling like a teenager I see.

And the reason I'm raging is because I spent £40 on it digitally and in no way can I get a refund or trade it in and I spent the last of my money that I had on a game, they made out would be brilliant game play wise. (as this is supposedly all they focused on this year along with graphics)... Sorry for caring.

Now, since we have both now made snide remarks about one another, can we just get on with shouting about the game, rather than about each other please? Because if I was raging that bad IT WOULD ALL BE IN CAPITALS LIKE THIS AND WOULD HAVE HAD A SWEAR WORD EVERY TWO SECONDS... that would have made me look like an idiot.
 

waywardcloud

Registered User
I have to say I'm really enjoying the addition of the shoulder barge this year. You can really battle players off the ball, and if you don't time it right you give away a foul. For the first time in a game you can now also shoulder when on the ball and have some say in these jostles to hold the defender off.

Hell Yea!!
 

skickahit10

Registered User
OK, forgive me but I've tinkered with my graphical settings and forced vsync off and MY GOD, HUGE difference in responsiveness! since my previous posts were about the unresponsiveness I will delete them, it's not fair, I had everything maxed out and just assumed the lack of response was due to the game since I have a high end rig...

Hmm, interesting, will try it tonight and see if I too can notice a difference, although I'm only playing with graphic detail at medium setting for the moment being.
 

Rat Monkey

Registered User
A: I didn't call you a pathetic teenager, don't put words in my mouth.
B: I actually agreed with you on the movement, but then went on to complain that the difference in stats makes hardly any difference.
C: I didn't score with every long range shot with Wayne Rooney, and just because he hits the target, doesn't make the shot accurate, if it was accurate, it would go round the GK every time.
D. Assist level 1 (answering your question on passing)
E. Walcott does not have a powerful shot in real life and can only hit the ball hard when he uses the weight of a cross or pass... Rooney can do it from out under his feet... and If you played him down on morale, much like in real life, it nullified his ability to do so, so yes it was better balanced in 13.

Seems like we are both bad at referring to other peoples posts hey, but i like to feel my rage on a whole is justified as most people feel the same... I also went onto say I was happy for you, you liked the game and when I call someone friend, it is genuine, I like to consider everyone in the PES community as exactly that... And within the pes community i like to feel i can rage at them, as they will listen... ever heard the saying you hurt those you love most? (because they listen) well when talking about pes, this community is the family, so sorry if I raged, but it wasn't directed at you personally and never in my post did i call you a name, like me "the idiot", nor did I put my friend in quotation marks at the end of a sentence to make degrading. But now i will say something, since you took my post so personally and laughed at me and made mocking comments and told me i made myself look like an idiot... yes, you are acting like a pathetic little teenager. I did not degrade you in any way shape or form and was merely having what I thought was a debate on a game. Thank you.. And since you want to make it personal... It's now look like an idiot, not know look like an idiot. Spelling like a teenager I see.

Jesus, read my posts again. I never said you called me a pathetic teenager. Show me where that's written? I called you an idiot and acting like a child because:
1. of how much you completely misunderstood absolutely everything I said because of how obviously angry you are,
2. you think your post wasn't actually condescending? Haha, don't make me laugh bud. Your whole post had a complete angry tone and it essentially in so many words made out I don't have a clue what I'm talking about as I'm just some Fifa fan blinded by the visual stuff. You completely misread what I said out of your own angry bias about the game and your whole rebutal to my post reeked(EDIT:haha, another genuine spelling mistake $anzi£ - corrected) of me not knowing what I was talking. It's not a problem if you feel that way, just don't expect me not to respond to it and debate it myself.

EDIT: Haha, I've just noticed your comment on a genuine spelling mistake of mine. How petty is that?!
 

r9maradona

Registered User
anzi has a good point about stats... it seems each year stats mean less and less.. i really dont get konami, are they retarded or what? I remember in pes6 stats meant ALOT, you could feel the difference if someone had 5 more of some stat... nowadays... can you really? even if theres 20 difference in a stat, u can barely notice the difference.

But back in PS2 days players could only move in 8 directions thus you had less control over a player which made their individual ability more important, in Fifa for example players are too responsive and you are encouraged to use full manual passing, which means your skill of directing passes replaces the passing ability of the player you are controlling.
 

Mal0n515

Registered User
I take it your playing on the PC yes?


Yes, I'm playing on PC, I strongly advise anyone who is playing on PC to turn vsync off via their respective GPU control panel, what I thought was shitty input response time from the game turned out to be input lag from vsync, the difference is UNBELIEVABLE. Now I just gotta figure out the best way to lock my FPS to get rid of screen tearing since Vsync is off but without the input lag....
 

$anzi£

Registered User
Jesus, read my posts again. I never said you called me a pathetic teenager. Show me where that's written? I called you an idiot and acting like a child because:
1. of how much you completely misunderstood absolutely everything I said because of how obviously angry you are,
2. you think your post wasn't actually condescending? Haha, don't make me laugh bud. Your whole post had a complete angry tone and it essentially in so many words made out I don't have a clue what I'm talking about as I'm just some Fifa fan blinded by the visual stuff. You completely misread what I said out of your own angry bias about the game and your whole rebutal to my post wreaked of me not knowing what I was talking. It's not a problem if you feel that way, just don't expect me not to respond to it and debate it myself.

EDIT: Haha, I've just noticed your comment on a genuine spelling mistake of mine. How petty is that?!

Look fella, I said "like a fifa fan" because the visuals in FIFA are good and can make it seem like the game play is better than it is. You then went onto say "don't sound like a pathetic little teenager." Which is worse than me thinking you said "I don't sound like a pathetic little teenager" As you are straight out insulting me. I never said you was a FIFA fan, I said you might be thinking like one, as the visuals in the game and the way players generally move is good in pes14.

I never ever said the words "you're wrong" in my post, debating is voicing your opinion over others without telling them what they think is wrong. I can understand the you're wrong part on the shooting, because yes I took it the wrong way and that happens in debates, and I'm sorry for that one thing. My anger wasn't directed at you guy. I was taught not to say I think, I think, I think, in debates at university as if you leave that out, it makes your statement come across as facts and makes your argument seem stronger, so sorry if you took it at a dig at you, but I'm telling you it, as the guy that said it, it wasn't. So just accept that. And lastly and this is lastly, all through your post you have like I said, said, you're wrong, haha, and laughs... which is degrading and child like, hence I made the stupid childish comment at the end, which I'm not even proud of, but I felt I had to scoop to your level. I then went onto say now we have both made snide remarks, can we forget this... which you clearly don't want to do. So this is no longer a debate is it, it's now an argument. And I for one, after this post, don't want to be involved... Now with all this said, Even though I now think your a bit of a bellend, if you need any faces made and formulas I am more than happy to help you since you enjoy the game, as I am at home with a chest infection, ear infection and am throwing up and am bored as hell and don't want to physically play the game, and the one thing I said I like about the game was the face editor and the overall look.

EDIT: And that's "as a dig at you" not "at a dig at you" sanzie you muppet! (whilst talking to himself)
 

Mal0n515

Registered User
Yes, I'm playing on PC, I strongly advise anyone who is playing on PC to turn vsync off via their respective GPU control panel, what I thought was shitty input response time from the game turned out to be input lag from vsync, the difference is UNBELIEVABLE. Now I just gotta figure out the best way to lock my FPS to get rid of screen tearing since Vsync is off but without the input lag....



Just a little update...

So with Vsync off comletely the game feels uber responsive, almost too responsive, I feel that since Konami didn't put a Vysnc option in the games settings that they didn't intend for us to turn it off, however, the boost is staggering with it off, you can feel the difference just on the menu's gameplan arrow and replay. Shots, passes and general player movement feels super reactive. The only bad thing is screen tearing which I'm sure there will be a workaround for like most games to have the benefit of Vsync and none of the input lag.

However, if they intended it not to be quite that responsive, you can use adaptive Vysnc which reduces input lag a lot but not as much as with it off altogether, this means no screen tearing and improved response, this might be more towards the amount of response they intended with the game and is still a hell of a lot better than with normal Vsync on.

Me personally I'm absolutely loving the lag free non-vsync, I'll update back once I find a way to stop the screen tearing with a frame limiter or something.
 

$anzi£

Registered User
Just a little update...

So with Vsync off comletely the game feels uber responsive, almost too responsive, I feel that since Konami didn't put a Vysnc option in the games settings that they didn't intend for us to turn it off, however, the boost is staggering with it off, you can feel the difference just on the menu's gameplan arrow and replay. Shots, passes and general player movement feels super reactive. The only bad thing is screen tearing which I'm sure there will be a workaround for like most games to have the benefit of Vsync and none of the input lag.

However, if they intended it not to be quite that responsive, you can use adaptive Vysnc which reduces input lag a lot but not as much as with it off altogether, this means no screen tearing and improved response, this might be more towards the amount of response they intended with the game and is still a hell of a lot better than with normal Vsync on.

Me personally I'm absolutely loving the lag free non-vsync, I'll update back once I find a way to stop the screen tearing with a frame limiter or something.

I need me a gaming PC, because on consoles the game is nothing short of appalling :(
 

MysteryMan

Registered User
But back in PS2 days players could only move in 8 directions thus you had less control over a player which made their individual ability more important, in Fifa for example players are too responsive and you are encouraged to use full manual passing, which means your skill of directing passes replaces the passing ability of the player you are controlling.

Stats should still matter more, Busquets shouldn't be nearly as fast as Cristiano Ronaldo, Ronaldo should murder him like an amateur, also you shoot with players who have 70 shot power or 90 shot power, not much difference at all.
 

$anzi£

Registered User
But back in PS2 days players could only move in 8 directions thus you had less control over a player which made their individual ability more important, in Fifa for example players are too responsive and you are encouraged to use full manual passing, which means your skill of directing passes replaces the passing ability of the player you are controlling.

Yea but Messi will still out turn John Terry will he not? And if Terry and say Ronaldo was in a foot race, Ronaldo would still win wouldn't he? If Pirlo then went and did a cross field pass, he would do a better job than Theo Walcott I'm guessing... The stats thing is pretty bad.
 

Rat Monkey

Registered User
You then went onto say "I don't sound like a pathetic little teenager." Where did I say that? So yes, you did put words in my mouth. You don't have to say "You said I sound like a pathetic little teenager" for it to be putting words in my mouth

Point out exactly where I said that! Your mistaking "all" for "I" in a sentence in a previous post, which means I called you it, not you calling me it.

I never ever said the words "you're wrong" in my post, debating is voicing your opinion over others without telling them what they think is wrong. I can understand the you're wrong part on the shooting, because yes I took it the wrong way and that happens in debates, and I'm sorry for that one thing. My anger wasn't directed at you guy. I was taught not to say I think, I think, I think, in debates at university as if you leave that out, it makes your statement come across as facts and makes your argument seem stronger, so sorry if you took it at a dig at you, but I'm telling you it, as the guy that said it, it wasn't. So just accept that. And lastly and this is lastly, all through your post you have like I said, said, you're wrong, haha, and laughs... which is degrading and child like, hence I made the stupid childish comment at the end, which I'm not even proud of, but I felt I had to scoop to your level. I then went onto say now we have both made snide remarks, can we forget this... which you clearly don't want to do. So this is no longer a debate is it, it's now an argument. And I for one, after this post, don't want to be involved... Now with all this said, Even though I now think your a bit of a bellend, if you need any faces made and formulas I am more than happy to help you since you enjoy the game, as I am at home with a chest infection, ear infection and am throwing up and am bored as hell and don't want to physically play the game.

Largely, the rest of your quote is irrelevant to what I said. I responded to the fact of how wrong you misunderstood what I said and basically that I didn't know what I was talking about in an aggressive tone when you didn't even know what I was talking about to begin with. I apologise for the mockery here and there, but I was responding to your condescention and complete misreading of what I said due to your own bias anger about the game.

You get an insult in at the end of your post and then proceed to offer help. Shove it. As for the "bellend" comment, I actually think your stupid and I'll say it one more time, READ MY POSTS BECAUSE YOUR STILL READING THEM WRONG. I can't debate with you on things I haven't said, only on things I have and what you've said.
 

Rasmus

Registered User
Last year i spent a little more than 2 months on pes 2013 and haven't touched it since. It could very well be the same regarding pes 2014:

Keepers are absolutely shite. Every goal is scored because of mistakes - both ends

50 % of the time the pass does NOT go to the intended player

Why can't they hit the target standing 10 metres away ?

Crosses into the box from the sides NEVER work anymore.

L1 + triangle works waaaay to easy - just have 2 fast attackers and they will get it every time - sadly they can't hit the target no matter their shooting stats.

I will give it a lot more time than last year, but these issues have to be fixed in patches..
 

Ali

It is happening again
[MENTION=203227]Rat Monkey[/MENTION] and [MENTION=223040]$anzi£[/MENTION]

Obviously don't want to discourage you from having a nice debate, just a friendly reminder not to push it too far. :)
 

$anzi£

Registered User
Point out exactly where I said that! Your mistaking "all" for "I".



Largely, the rest of your quote is irrelevant to what I said. I responded to the fact of how wrong you misunderstood what I said and basically that I didn't know what I was talking about in an aggressive tone when you didn't even know what I was talking about to begin with. I apologise for the mockery here and there, but I was responding to your condenscention and complete misreading of what I said due to your own bias anger about the game.

You get an insult in at the end of your post and then proceed to offer help. Shove it. As for the "bellend" comment, I actually think your stupid and I'll say it one more time, READ MY POSTS BECAUSE YOUR STILL READING THEM WRONG. I can't debate with you on things I haven't said, only on things I have and what you've said.

You telling me, when you've had an argument with someone, and then you thought it was over, you've never turned around and called them something as a joke whilst continuing on as usual... Man you are uptight, I just offered you my help, which would be hours worth of help, and all you saw was "bit of a bellend". If I thought you was a bellend, or knew you was a bellend, I wouldn't have put "bit" in front of it fella... I would have straight out told you you was a C**T... You can't hear what tone of voice I was saying that in, in my head so thats why I offered you any help, to try and make you realise it was a jokey dig to try and nullify the mood, but you still want to argue like I hate you or something... Just stop yea, just stop... If you had accepted any help, i had done you some faces, and then you went and said "cheers prick" because of the argument we had... I would have laughed it off and gone "thats ok bellend!" It's called banter.... what If I write it like this, will you see it differently...

With all this said, even though I now think you're a bit of a bellend ;-), if you need any faces since you enjoy the game, would you like any help?

p.s. I did edit my post with the all and I thing, you must have just taken ages on the reply screen and not seen it... and this isn't a dig at you, i'm just saying.
 

$anzi£

Registered User
[MENTION=203227]Rat Monkey[/MENTION] and [MENTION=223040]$anzi£[/MENTION]

Obviously don't want to discourage you from having a nice debate, just a friendly reminder not to push it too far. :)

Sorry mod, I am trying to tone it down, we just keep taking eachother the wrong way or keep misreading one another, thats all, it will be sorted very soon.
 
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