game is so heavily scripted

yes I know some pes video game warrior who probably played on beginner is going to tell me to get better.

that being said has anyone else noticed this is single player modes? the outcome is clearly decided before the match starts. win lose or tie and you can tell clear as day which one it will be.

you'll play a match, you'll score a goal then all of a sudden , your ai turns into a sh*t show. they start not sprinting out, miss passes , kick the ball out of bounds, not try to get open at all and be completely smothered by the opposing ai, not trying to get the ball,. ai will just take the ball from you , they sit around your box for like 6 min until they score.

after, the game all of a sudden goes back to normal. you score.

the sh*t show will then commence again to insure it ends a tie game. you're players will miss the net by a little, I've even had times where the ball lands in front of 3 players and they all head for the hills like the ball in a Granade. i'll then say out loud "yep, AI is meant to score more" and they will.

its clear as day. ive played so much that within 5 min of gameplay, I can predict what outcome the AI wants for that match and be right basically everytime.

anyone else feel like this?

I don't think the game is pre decided like you say however I do think the AI teams are given boosts throughout the game. They will suddenly receive super power, super strength, speed and light speed reactions with unlimited energy and virtually no inertia. It then becomes virtually impossible to score against them or stop them from scoring.

captainsid29 said:

I don't think the game is pre decided like you say however I do think the AI teams are given boosts throughout the game. They will suddenly receive super power, super strength, speed and light speed reactions with unlimited energy and virtually no inertia. It then becomes virtually impossible to score against them or stop them from scoring.

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you think that's how they keep the games interesting? or just lazy AI programming?

I also don't think the result is pre decided. But it is clear that if AI want to score, they must score. One way is your players would suddenly slow, not react, or run away from the ball; another way is the UNFAIR referee. They can get your ball by a harsh tackle which in reality it must break player's leg or even kill a player, but the referee will say nothing; and when you just touch your opponent or even just touch "Air", it would be a foul.
sometimes your AI teammate would give a tackle to opponent so that there will be a free kick. Then, this free kick would highly likely to become a goal.
I think PES 2019 would be my last football game (as I won't play FIFA either)

I always play on Superstar but I feel it is scripted too. So yes, I must admit I agree with this.

It seems that the A.I. must score when you re up front. Yesterday I played a match got 3-0. And suddenly the A.I. scored 2 goals in such a short periode of time.
I got chances on 4-2 but hit the post, the bar, and just inches wide but I just couldnot score. So it ends up in a counteracttack of the A.I. and they easily score. I couldnt do anything about this.

Saturday I tested different levels of the A.I. with a friend. Ther was no difference on Toplayer, Prof or Average! The A.I was Kuwait but they played like Barcelona! Every pass and shot for players rated like 60 were machines! Got crazy matches like 5-5, so frustrating and unrealistic, it is an outrage!

Again, like PES2018 Im disappointed by the opponenst A.I. and also your teammates A.I. There is something very wrong here. And I play PES since the good old days, last few years there seem to be always something annoying about the offline gameplay.

Jansen007 said:

I always play on Superstar but I feel it is scripted too. So yes, I must admit I agree with this.

It seems that the A.I. must score when you re up front. Yesterday I played a match got 3-0. And suddenly the A.I. scored 2 goals in such a short periode of time.
I got chances on 4-2 but hit the post, the bar, and just inches wide but I just couldnot score. So it ends up in a counteracttack of the A.I. and they easily score. I couldnt do anything about this.

Saturday I tested different levels of the A.I. with a friend. Ther was no difference on Toplayer, Prof or Average! The A.I was Kuwait but they played like Barcelona! Every pass and shot for players rated like 60 were machines! Got crazy matches like 5-5, so frustrating and unrealistic, it is an outrage!

Again, like PES2018 Im disappointed by the opponenst A.I. and also your teammates A.I. There is something very wrong here. And I play PES since the good old days, last few years there seem to be always something annoying about the offline gameplay.

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Totally agree
There are some script in my view:

After you score, A.I. will score immediately (Especially in 2nd half, and you score 1-0,or 2-0 then very likely will become 1-1 or 2-1soon)

2nd half kick off if you are at home and you lead the game (then A.I. will take the kick off after half time)

there are also some ways to give you a win, as I highly feel that AI let you me win the match, I do not feel any happiness after winning a game:

You lead 1-0, until 80+ minutes, if A.I. score 1-1, A.I. very likely give a way to you to score 2-1 to make sure you win
another case is if it is a cup game, then the game would stake at 1-1, and in extra time, you would easily win 3-1

just played a game. i scored 1-0 in 77th minute, then A.I. start attack and attack, I can't even touch the ball until 90th minute. When nearly full time, A.I. gave a harsh tackle, and I watched the replay, it is clearly a foul. AI's leg through my player's leg and touch the ball, so in referee's view, it is not a foul. But in reality, it is not physically possible and my player's leg must be broken! anyway, then A.I. got the ball and then score immediately. and once kick off again, the final whistle blow.

glad i'm not alone on this but at the same time I wish I was and maybe it could be resolved by putting more time in and getting better. I refuse to get fifa but I don't want pes AI either. the struggles.

Yes I wish this could be improved by training. But unfortunately, at least the unfair referee can not be solved by just training. Another match I played yesterday, my player just stand without doing anything and A.I. jump and give me a fung fu kick! Then the referee said I committed a foul and then give my opponent a free kick

I love PES, really love it. I still playing at least 10 games every day. I am not sure when I stop and "retire" from football game as I will not play FIFA. I know Konami would never listen our opinions and so PES won't be back to their golden age.

I hate the early days of Master League.
The game does and always has felt really heavily scripted. As soon as you score, the AI scores. It feels the same every match.

HOWEVER... I think this is how Konami want the game to play out until your team gets a "Team Rating" (Orange Glow surrounding players) of over 90. Then the game becomes a beautiful free flowing spectacle!

Here's my Master League Essential Guide - which explains and shows my findings...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYKr7mV3Ljg&t=170s

Ant

Totally agree. This game is so scripted it's embarrassing. You get 1-0 up then the opposition all of a sudden becomes world beaters and you know what's coming every time, low cross into the box back heel and goal. Then you seem to lose virtually every game. It happens every game and cannot just be a coincidence or my bad play. It's so frustrating and as for the referees, they are laughable. Some of the challenges the ai gets away with are a joke. Really wanted this game to be great but unfortunately been let down again with this. Hopefully it will get patched soon because the game is so poor at the moment.

PES 2019 is the most scripted PES of all times.
MYCLUB is a total mess.
One game your team is running, and suddenly they all stops and you can't do anything, you can't shoot, you can't run, you can't pass the ball...
PES 2019 IS A MESS SCRIPTED GAME

FK KONAMI

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I don't think it's scripted. Playing against AI, I see when AI changes the tactic and it does change a lot during the match and there are some tactics that when AI uses them is hard to stop like when it goes attacking with gegenpress+tiki taka is really hard to stop as they don't do wrong passes. That is one issue.

The second one is the stamina. We run non stop as this is how we are used to from online games. AI doesn't so we lose stamina faster than AI. And stamina is implemented wrong in pes 2019 if you ask me. Players who remain without stamina can't keep their positions on the pitch anymore so they can't cover the spaces, hence is almost impossible to defend in the last 10 -15 minutes of each half if AI is attacking. U need to keep the ball, otherwise you're screwed

tonyneculai said:

I don't think it's scripted. Playing against AI, I see when AI changes the tactic and it does change a lot during the match and there are some tactics that when AI uses them is hard to stop like when it goes attacking with gegenpress+tiki taka is really hard to stop as they don't do wrong passes. That is one issue.

The second one is the stamina. We run non stop as this is how we are used to from online games. AI doesn't so we lose stamina faster than AI. And stamina is implemented wrong in pes 2019 if you ask me. Players who remain without stamina can't keep their positions on the pitch anymore so they can't cover the spaces, hence is almost impossible to defend in the last 10 -15 minutes of each half if AI is attacking. U need to keep the ball, otherwise you're screwed

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Thats true about online players running around nonstop. The AI plays smarter. But i dont think keeping the ball is necessary. I found success by using defending tactics without high pressure and counterattacking with many long passes in the air, aerial battles, crosses. And trying to contain the opponent well, while making fouls to mess up their rythm, as set pieces are usually not that dangerous.

tonyneculai said:

I don't think it's scripted. Playing against AI, I see when AI changes the tactic and it does change a lot during the match and there are some tactics that when AI uses them is hard to stop like when it goes attacking with gegenpress+tiki taka is really hard to stop as they don't do wrong passes. That is one issue.

The second one is the stamina. We run non stop as this is how we are used to from online games. AI doesn't so we lose stamina faster than AI. And stamina is implemented wrong in pes 2019 if you ask me. Players who remain without stamina can't keep their positions on the pitch anymore so they can't cover the spaces, hence is almost impossible to defend in the last 10 -15 minutes of each half if AI is attacking. U need to keep the ball, otherwise you're screwed

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No matter what you say, the problem of unfair referee won't change, and it is part of script. Or we can say in other words, when A.I. change tactic and want to score, the referee will cooperate

sobakus said:

Thats true about online players running around nonstop. The AI plays smarter. But i dont think keeping the ball is necessary. I found success by using defending tactics without high pressure and counterattacking with many long passes in the air, aerial battles, crosses. And trying to contain the opponent well, while making fouls to mess up their rythm, as set pieces are usually not that dangerous.

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or like that yes

springunited said:

No matter what you say, the problem of unfair referee won't change, and it is part of script. Or we can say in other words, when A.I. change tactic and want to score, the referee will cooperate

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That one with the referee is true, not all challenges they give a fault is a fault and the other way around. I noticed those who have Malicia trait obtain a fault many time when it is not a fault. I'd take that on out of the game as it's annoying sometimes

Yesterday I sold my game because the scripting and frustrating A.I. what makes it not fun to play anymore. For the first time in PES history I ve sold a PES game.

Yes I do win matches on Superstar, yes I know how to somehow stop the AI, but I feel it is not a realistich game of football anymore. It takes the realism and joy out of the game when trying to stop this strange attack tactics of the AI.

The AI always plays one-two passes high on the wings, low cross tiki taka, goal.
Doesnt matter who your opponent is. Played many Eredivisie matches against small clubs but they score goals like Barcelona & Man City.

Yes I ve tried to change tactics, defending and so on but conceeding goals and scoring goals doesnt feel satisfying anymore.

So for the first time in my PES history I ve sold the game because I only play offline and dont enjoy it. I’m 36 years and playing since the old days from 1995 and cant get over this frustrating, cheating(referees) broken and scripted AI.

Gonna buy Fifa again this year since Pes2015 which was also not really a good game.

Jansen007 said:

Yesterday I sold my game because the scripting and frustrating A.I. what makes it not fun to play anymore. For the first time in PES history I ve sold a PES game.

Yes I do win matches on Superstar, yes I know how to somehow stop the AI, but I feel it is not a realistich game of football anymore. It takes the realism and joy out of the game when trying to stop this strange attack tactics of the AI.

The AI always plays one-two passes high on the wings, low cross tiki taka, goal.
Doesnt matter who your opponent is. Played many Eredivisie matches against small clubs but they score goals like Barcelona & Man City.

Yes I ve tried to change tactics, defending and so on but conceeding goals and scoring goals doesnt feel satisfying anymore.

So for the first time in my PES history I ve sold the game because I only play offline and dont enjoy it. I’m 36 years and playing since the old days from 1995 and cant get over this frustrating, cheating(referees) broken and scripted AI.

Gonna buy Fifa again this year since Pes2015 which was also not really a good game.

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I am feeling your pain.

I know this isn't much of a consolation but here's what I had to do...
I have adjusted every team's game plan in the Prem & Championship (for my Master League Campaign) to see if I can screw the AI's scripted cheating ways. And I seem to have done so...

If anyone is interested, try changing an average team's tactics to the following, then play a friendly against them:
Change the opposition's tactics to:
Fluid Tactics
442 Formation
LMF & RMF when IN Possession - Then push these players up the pitch to LWF & RWF when OUT of Possession.
Change the Defensive Instructions for Support Range - to Spread out the players as far as they can go.

It makes a real difference!

The problem I face now though, is the LIVE UPDATES as they reset all of the team's tactics every time you update.

I got the same problems, i am PES player since PES6 so i know how to play but this is sooo sad.. on what match length do you play? Sometimes it helps... maybe try a super defensive formation