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ah sorry my bad, was too lazy to read everything in this thread as i came straight from mine. i think they need to make a game harder by giving you more to master not giving you less control and having the AI cheat more.

youve kept saying PES09 is harder and PES6 was easy but PES 09 is only hard because you have less control over the players, more of it seems scripted and the outcome not as you wanted, eg me aiming far corner and it scoring randomly near post etc. the fun has gone out of PES with 09, this is...

yeh of course otherwise thered be no point right, but im just saying the game with those additions is great, without its still better than 09 in my opinion

thats only cos its easier to debate when someone has had a moan, cos it upsets people, anyway half this threat is probabley just swearing and abuse aimed at someones opinion, abit ridiculous really. also i do think more people than ever are unhappy with it this year tho after thinking last...

i fancy a go at PES5 but the old xbox is dead used to love it so much, PES6 for PC will have to do, but i do love it, enjoying it so much more than 09 now, loads of great patches for it too, there is a patch on evo web to change the basic sound effects, so crowd noise goal celebration etc, so...

thats what we are saying though, the game is more difficult as a whole not because there is more to learn and understand but because there is less control over your players.

ah sorry mate misunderstood, yeh thats my point too, i think its better the PES6 way though all though i was dissapointed there wasnt the extra star difficulty you could buy in PES shop like in previous games, i havnt looked to see if thats in 09. by the way i play top player for all PES games.

yeh but thats poor, the game being harder for longer because you havnt go the full control over your players, personally id prefer to get to a level where ive got the game completely worked out and i have to challenge myself in other ways, eg ML with shit team than what you get with 09, thats...

ok fair enough. im sure you can do it just dont understand why i cant.

first off i have no problem scoring but yes i do what you said and i almost never get nice curl on a shot, placed better than in 08 but still nothing on what you could get in PES6. could you not take a vid with a camera? and im not suggesting you two are lying just ive never been able to do it...

curl it with placement? its pretty much the same thing. like say Henry would, you used to be able to do it great in PES6 scrapped since then.

video pleaaase. id like to see

i think the 1on1 shooting is far worse, and i have never got it to curl beautifully like i could in PES6, if you have any videos please upload cos im interested in seeing if there is just a technique for the new game ive missed. dont have time to get into the new game now anyway as im off for...

ML last year on PES6 needed a draw at pompey to win the league and the resulting treble, sounds easy, went 3 down, then got one back only for them to score a Pen just before half time, scored 2 in normal time of second half, then becoming frustrated pushed everyone forwards, had two CFs a SS and...

i just feel the fun has gone from the game in the last two editions, i started playing PES from pes3 and 3 4 5 and 6 even though they of course had their problems were just great fun, i dont feel that with 09. i wish they could cobble together the best bits form past editions, thatd make for an...

you recon the shooting is better? i cant stand the shooting on 09. i want to try fifa but apparantly its shit for PC, oh well i might just keep giving 09 a go.

well, playing PES09 and having got bored of BAL pretty quick i been playing a masterleague like i normally do, and tbh ive grown to like the game less and less as i play, i started getting really pissed off and today quit the program and decided to have a couple of game on PES6. and bloody...

hmm, i am feeling more and more bored with PES i think it is really stale this year and has gone down the wrong path from what was a great game in PES 6. now i am a PC user and i downloaded the fifa demo and thought it was rubbish, but apparantly the PC version of Fifa09 is no where near as good...

no i know i use that, just feel overall shooting scheme is shocking

i think this game is brilliant i really do, dont get me wrong, the level of play, build up and moves leading to goals is massive, always a new way to score. but then....you finish off a lovely move, with an absolute pile of crap shot to score. For example, not saying i find shooting hard as i...