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First off I should admit that I usually buy FIFA (I have bought a couple of PES's) but it isn't because I am a fanboy, far from it. It is because FIFA has the full English Leagues in, that is probably the only reason I buy it. If PEs had an editor to make this possible I'm sure PES would gain...

I'd be very interested if someone can post a link explaining this. If I recreate the English leagues, Prem, Championship, league 1 and 2 then I will seriousl consider PES this year. FIFA fits my needs quite well but the good ideas in their Career Mode a lot of them do not work.

That is fair enough but you did not say that in your original post. I buy games because I hope they will entertain if they don't I part exchange them or hopefully avoid buying them in the first place.

If I understand you right then you say that if FIFA were to make the better game then you would still buy PES? Sorry mate that is daft. EA or Konami don't give a damn who you are and you certainly don't owe them anything. Video games are supposed to be about entertainment and if one or the...

I'd love to stop buying FIFA and just buy PES. Have Konami cured the 'heavy ball'? I mean when dribbling the ball feels like it is attached to your foot with elastic and seems heavy. The ball in FIFA 'feels' light. Will PES 2012 have the full English league structure in this time. I only play...

I feel the same but with FIFA, mm has been a real let down. Over at the FIFA forum a lot of people are impressed with stadium editor that has been announced. If the new PES has improved gameplay and is just as fluid as FIFA then I'm sure PES will become a threat to EA once again.

I am undecided about FIFA 11 or PES 2011 and it is tricky getting any decent info. I like the manager mode and as we know FIFA was riddled with bugs. I have friends who have fond memories with the master league. I understand you will be able to put chants into the game and kits and the new...

I still won't try demos but just try to read as much different feedback as possible when the game is done. Yes you can get the wrong impression by both really but I know enough people who share my tastes to get an informed decision. I'm hoping PES 2010 will have enough editing functions to make...

Don't like demo's, i'll wait to when it is released and get some feedback. Demos can give a false impression sometimes.

Thanks for the info guys. If I can get a cheap copy of PES 09 i'll give it a go to see how it feels to get some idea. I don't like demos so tend to stay away from them. I'm encourage as what you say about the manager mode, the actual players is not a big issue with me but the gameplay is. What...

I'm not a fan boy of either Fifa or PES but I have to admit I have never tried a PES game before but an willing to try. I hail from the football manager style community going back to the mid 1980's. Anyone remember the 'Boss' on the Commodore 64? hahahaha. Well I eventually got bored of...