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6.5/10 Sad times indeed

DIECI

Registered User
Seriously konami could go to hell. The severs are back to lagging and slow reaction. I feel like my players are ice skating. They had adjusted the servers to play well for a few days and now we’re back to this garbage.
 

DIECI

Registered User
Online this year is really bad. Any word on whether they will address the issues ? It played nice for a few days but now it’s back to the laggy latency of player movement and switching
 

TeknoBug

Registered User
You have probably increased the game speed to +1. That is what I meant when I said KONAMI used the same old shitty scripts but with slow motion. If you play it on speed 0, which you must do if you play online or myClub, you will notice how incompetent KONAMI is.

I play ML at -1 speed. And MyClub I also play- but servers are laggy at times, so I end up playing vs COM.
 

ferragus

Registered User
The thing that strikes me the most as I compare PES with Fifa is that PES excels in whatever has to do with the playing of the game of football itself, I mean on the pitch, the feeling of the game is so much truer to real football fans that actually think about the sport.
On the other half, in whatever has to do with everything else, Fifa is the better game .
It seems as if Konamy gave the gameplay department to real football aficionados, and left the other departments to Japaneese gaming geeks, who dont give a damn to football itself... One example: Master League, You know when the season is almost finishing, and you start thinking about next season? You start signing players to fill the gaps, maybe bringing some youths etc.. What you really need is some friendly matches just to get the feel of your new players, and help them get into the team, right?
What does Konamy? They arrange a single friendly match or a hole new tournament just after the season finishes in July!! Before the transfers market opens! So you will be playing your friendlies with the same players of the season that just finished...

How can a company that can create such a glorious gameplay, makes such mistakes on the overall presentation of the same game?!
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
The thing that strikes me the most as I compare PES with Fifa is that PES excels in whatever has to do with the playing of the game of football itself, I mean on the pitch, the feeling of the game is so much truer to real football fans that actually think about the sport.
On the other half, in whatever has to do with everything else, Fifa is the better game .
It seems as if Konamy gave the gameplay department to real football aficionados, and left the other departments to Japaneese gaming geeks, who dont give a damn to football itself... One example: Master League, You know when the season is almost finishing, and you start thinking about next season? You start signing players to fill the gaps, maybe bringing some youths etc.. What you really need is some friendly matches just to get the feel of your new players, and help them get into the team, right?
What does Konamy? They arrange a single friendly match or a hole new tournament just after the season finishes in July!! Before the transfers market opens! So you will be playing your friendlies with the same players of the season that just finished...

How can a company that can create such a glorious gameplay, makes such mistakes on the overall presentation of the same game?!

What glorious gameplay?:w00t

If you play online you will encounter severe lag ...
If you play offline the CPU plays the same for every team with lofted through balls to the wing ...
Passes are severely overpowered ....in all teams
Shooting has no variations
Still a 16 directional game ...player animations are horrendous in how sharply they turn
Defense stares at the ball passing by their feet ...

Should I go on....?

I can include videos to prove my point

Fifa kills this game....AGAIN:angry:
 

ferragus

Registered User
What glorious gameplay?:w00t

If you play online you will encounter severe lag ...
If you play offline the CPU plays the same for every team with lofted through balls to the wing ...
Passes are severely overpowered ....in all teams
Shooting has no variations
Still a 16 directional game ...player animations are horrendous in how sharply they turn
Defense stares at the ball passing by their feet ...

Should I go on....?

I can include videos to prove my point

Fifa kills this game....AGAIN:angry:

Its your opinion...
I do play Fifa 18 also, and its seems well very balanced in many aspects, gameplay included.
That does not happens with PES 2018 yet. Altough I have faith, because Konamy as already acostumed us with unfinished products tat they latter patch into much more balanced games.

My quarel with Fifa is that I dont feel the midfiled play that is the hardcore of the sport. In Fifa I am are either atacking or defending, never planning patiently, waiting for an oppening to break the oponent, or keeping my lines close without giving any chance of them to break me! For me this is what 80% of a football match is about, and I dont feel that in Fifa. In Fifa when my team is playing badly, and I try to change tactics, I feel they get a boost or a downgrade according to my choice, but I cant actually see it on the pitch, I cant see my players adjusting their movements to escape the oponents net, it just feels that they get extra grip or speed that helps them paly better. I dont know if I am making myself understand.

In Fifa it seems its all about the individual player and your own ability to do tricks and to use technics to pass your next oponent. One thing that is good is the way they depict the players form and morale and how it reflects on the gameplay. The way you can sign a fantatic player and him never getting to play at its supposed best, and then putting on a youth player and getting him to do wonders! Thats great!

In PES I actually feel the weight of tactics. I see my tactics actually making the diference when I change them mid game, I love to see my wingers open on the radar when I change to "hug the touchline" on advanced options. And I love to feel the difference it makes when I have a proper defensive midfielder to cover the defense. And especialy I love to move the ball around or back and fourth in search of space, and to watch the movement of players in search of an opening! That is so much more footbalish.
I think the hardcore system of PES is so much more complex then Fifa when it comes to team play. And thats why I say it is "Glorious gameplay".

Sorry for the long comentary...
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
Its your opinion...
I do play Fifa 18 also, and its seems well very balanced in many aspects, gameplay included.
That does not happens with PES 2018 yet. Altough I have faith, because Konamy as already acostumed us with unfinished products tat they latter patch into much more balanced games.

My quarel with Fifa is that I dont feel the midfiled play that is the hardcore of the sport. In Fifa I am are either atacking or defending, never planning patiently, waiting for an oppening to break the oponent, or keeping my lines close without giving any chance of them to break me! For me this is what 80% of a football match is about, and I dont feel that in Fifa. In Fifa when my team is playing badly, and I try to change tactics, I feel they get a boost or a downgrade according to my choice, but I cant actually see it on the pitch, I cant see my players adjusting their movements to escape the oponents net, it just feels that they get extra grip or speed that helps them paly better. I dont know if I am making myself understand.

In Fifa it seems its all about the individual player and your own ability to do tricks and to use technics to pass your next oponent. One thing that is good is the way they depict the players form and morale and how it reflects on the gameplay. The way you can sign a fantatic player and him never getting to play at its supposed best, and then putting on a youth player and getting him to do wonders! Thats great!

In PES I actually feel the weight of tactics. I see my tactics actually making the diference when I change them mid game, I love to see my wingers open on the radar when I change to "hug the touchline" on advanced options. And I love to feel the difference it makes when I have a proper defensive midfielder to cover the defense. And especialy I love to move the ball around or back and fourth in search of space, and to watch the movement of players in search of an opening! That is so much more footbalish.
I think the hardcore system of PES is so much more complex then Fifa when it comes to team play. And thats why I say it is "Glorious gameplay".

Sorry for the long comentary...

Thanks for the reply and it wasn't long commentary....just good insight from another fan of the game.

I agree that neither game is perfect but I am so mad at Konami at its laziness to just create a great game like they once did.

PES can never ever replicate a football game with its old 16 directional restrictions on the players animations. It just looks awful!

They running animation is atrocious ...players skip a step and slide like they are on ice. Most times the ball does not even have contact with the player when he hits it. Am I the only person seeing this? :w00t

The sharp 180 turns left, right, up and down does not look good at all.
It is total arcade.

Gameplay ....watch this vid..:no:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHN54L5FdY

Peace
 

tosser182

Registered User
I watched my first match in Coach Mode earlier. It was like watching 22 bumbling, witless, drunken geriatrics labouring around the pitch. One shot on target from a mistake which won the game. Wouldn't expect this rubbish on PS1.
 

motherhen

Registered User
Some of the comments in here are funny. PES 2018 is the same as 2017 so because of that, you're playing FIFA 18? Big fuckin' lol. :D
 

Osso

Registered User
So the severs are still horrible. What’s konami waiting for to fix this mess ?

The funny thing is, Konami was trying to convince people to buy PES this year over FIFA which sells about 30 to 1 compared to PES while Konami's servers can't handle the number of users they already have.

The servers are very unstable and Konami's incompetence is disgusting.
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
The funny thing is, Konami was trying to convince people to buy PES this year over FIFA which sells about 30 to 1 compared to PES while Konami's servers can't handle the number of users they already have.

The servers are very unstable and Konami's incompetence is disgusting.

Facts!

How long have this been going on?

There is no way I am spending my money on a 16 directional player movement game when all other sport games have moved on to 360 movement.

It not that they cannot fix these issues......they choose not to.

peace
 

DIECI

Registered User
Facts!

How long have this been going on?

There is no way I am spending my money on a 16 directional player movement game when all other sport games have moved on to 360 movement.

It not that they cannot fix these issues......they choose not to.

peace



Servers were much better last year. Besides this year the game is ifull of bugs from bad player switching to non responsive players etc. I think the beta was better actually.
 

Osso

Registered User
Facts!

How long have this been going on?

There is no way I am spending my money on a 16 directional player movement game when all other sport games have moved on to 360 movement.

It not that they cannot fix these issues......they choose not to.

peace

Servers were much better last year. Besides this year the game is ifull of bugs from bad player switching to non responsive players etc. I think the beta was better actually.

Exactly. This has been going on since Day 1, too laggy unstable servers. When I want to move a player it feels like he weighs 200 kg. Criticizing the game seems to be too much work because I don't even know where to begin, and I am only talking about gameplay here which the brag about all the time.

The sad thing is that the game has a great potential, but it seems that the idiots are calling the shots in KONAMI.

peace
 

Lordani66

Registered User
What glorious gameplay?:w00t

If you play online you will encounter severe lag ...
If you play offline the CPU plays the same for every team with lofted through balls to the wing ...
Passes are severely overpowered ....in all teams
Shooting has no variations
Still a 16 directional game ...player animations are horrendous in how sharply they turn
Defense stares at the ball passing by their feet ...

Should I go on....?

I can include videos to prove my point

Fifa kills this game....AGAIN:angry:

This is a list I made last year about PES 2017: https://www.reddit.com/r/WEPES/comments/6p1zmr/why_am_i_not_getting_pes_this_year_but_fifa/

I see some of our arguments are similar. Yet this year's game seems to have the same exact problems, and some of them work even worse (foul system seems more FOUL to me this year).

6.5/10 is probably the best mark for this game and even this to me sometimes feels too generaous, sometimes this game plays literally like a 4/10 game, so 5.5/10 would be more like it, or at least 6/10.
 

DIECI

Registered User
What glorious gameplay?:w00t

If you play online you will encounter severe lag ...
If you play offline the CPU plays the same for every team with lofted through balls to the wing ...
Passes are severely overpowered ....in all teams
Shooting has no variations
Still a 16 directional game ...player animations are horrendous in how sharply they turn
Defense stares at the ball passing by their feet ...

Should I go on....?

I can include videos to prove my point

Fifa kills this game....AGAIN:angry:

while FIFA looks absolutely beautiful, actually feels like you're watching a real game and the commentary is light years ahead of PES I find the gameplay to be bland and boring/lifeless.
 

DIECI

Registered User
This is a list I made last year about PES 2017: https://www.reddit.com/r/WEPES/comments/6p1zmr/why_am_i_not_getting_pes_this_year_but_fifa/

I see some of our arguments are similar. Yet this year's game seems to have the same exact problems, and some of them work even worse (foul system seems more FOUL to me this year).

6.5/10 is probably the best mark for this game and even this to me sometimes feels too generaous, sometimes this game plays literally like a 4/10 game, so 5.5/10 would be more like it, or at least 6/10.


online this game plays well without lag and slow animation for maybe 3 out of every 10 games. I noticed that when it plays well without the lag the other issues are masked and less noticeable, but when it's playing slow everything falls apart, especially on defense where the players are just dumb and dont even look at the ball at times as it rolls by while you're helpless because the courser won't switch to them.
 

Osso

Registered User
while FIFA looks absolutely beautiful, actually feels like you're watching a real game and the commentary is light years ahead of PES I find the gameplay to be bland and boring/lifeless.

online this game plays well without lag and slow animation for maybe 3 out of every 10 games. I noticed that when it plays well without the lag the other issues are masked and less noticeable, but when it's playing slow everything falls apart, especially on defense where the players are just dumb and dont even look at the ball at times as it rolls by while you're helpless because the courser won't switch to them.

Exactly!

3 of my friends and I are switching to FIFA this year, honestly I never thought this day would come as I have been playing PES since Winning Eleven 3 on the old Playstation 1. Only thing I regret is the money I wasted on PES this year.
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
Exactly!

3 of my friends and I are switching to FIFA this year, honestly I never thought this day would come as I have been playing PES since Winning Eleven 3 on the old Playstation 1. Only thing I regret is the money I wasted on PES this year.

Not wasted at all. You can still enjoy both games at your own pace.

I urge others to try Fifa ..its not perfect but it sure does not have the year after year issues PES is plagued with.

As I got older and could not find friends to come over to play, I moved to Fifa where online is just the way to go.

Most of those like Dieci who says Fifa is bland .....do not play Fifa! :w00t. Maybe they tried it ....but they do not PLAY the game. :realmad:

385,0000 Online Fifa players cannot be THAT crazy to play a "bland" game. This is compared to only 3000 players online for PES.

This is not rocket science... one game is clearly miles better than the other. :w00t

If you like shiny and pretty .....play PES

If you want to play a game of football ....play Fifa. At least they are trying to fix issues.

Do you know you can sub a player now without pausing the game by pre assigning player before the game. Only Fifa ...:no:

Peace
 

DIECI

Registered User
Not wasted at all. You can still enjoy both games at your own pace.

I urge others to try Fifa ..its not perfect but it sure does not have the year after year issues PES is plagued with.

As I got older and could not find friends to come over to play, I moved to Fifa where online is just the way to go.

Most of those like Dieci who says Fifa is bland .....do not play Fifa! :w00t. Maybe they tried it ....but they do not PLAY the game. :realmad:

385,0000 Online Fifa players cannot be THAT crazy to play a "bland" game. This is compared to only 3000 players online for PES.

This is not rocket science... one game is clearly miles better than the other. :w00t

If you like shiny and pretty .....play PES

If you want to play a game of football ....play Fifa. At least they are trying to fix issues.

Do you know you can sub a player now without pausing the game by pre assigning player before the game. Only Fifa ...:no:

Peace

I’m tempted. Very tempted
 
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