PeleProdigy9
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fully27
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gillo45 my advice on your arsenal formation would be something like my picture. Everything geared around Hleb and Henry.
Hleb has the playmaker star so is essential in feeding throughballs to Henry, who will be ready to cut inside.
Pires and Ljunberg are the next best midfielders in the side so cant be left out. Gilberto as your dmf is a rock, letting Ljunberg be free to move as your cmf and leaving the wings to lmf hleb and rmf pires, you may try and use Hleb as an amf.
And bergkamp has the technique and accuracy to compensate for his lack of pace, perfect to play in Henry once more. Leaving the option of the pacier Reyes for later in the game. HOpe this helps, and my picture shows up
Hleb has the playmaker star so is essential in feeding throughballs to Henry, who will be ready to cut inside.
Pires and Ljunberg are the next best midfielders in the side so cant be left out. Gilberto as your dmf is a rock, letting Ljunberg be free to move as your cmf and leaving the wings to lmf hleb and rmf pires, you may try and use Hleb as an amf.
And bergkamp has the technique and accuracy to compensate for his lack of pace, perfect to play in Henry once more. Leaving the option of the pacier Reyes for later in the game. HOpe this helps, and my picture shows up
3-4-3
Thanks to all the folks who congratulated me and private messaged me.
Now, let us get back to business
This is my current 3-4-3 formation. I must say, it works wonders with me. I used it heavily against all forms of 4-3-3 (human opponents), and I was soo pleased with the results. This formation dominates the mid feild, and very attacking in nature. If you know how to defend wisely, you will find that it holds itself quite good in defense.
I don't want to repeat myself, cause propbably I mentioned this before. However, I want to add here a few tips about defense cause I received messages from many people complaining about inability to defend against 3 strikers. I still believe 3 CB backed up with midfeilds is all what you need back there.
As a former side back, I never give the inside to my opponet. When my opponent have possession on the side, I always keep my player two steps behind (as long as he is on the side most times I don't even bother to sprint after him). Always have the prioprity to defend with the center back, and leave the sweeper as a last resort. I know it is sychological, but I noticed that when you don't sprint after you opponents, he tends to slow down. This helps to give time to ask for the support you need from mid feild. I watch the radar carefully, and keep my focus on intersecting the next pass. Using square to ask for assistance + R2 timed with x will help much in defense.
Another tip is to make use of the goal keeper. Most of the times, I use him as a last sweeper to clear through balls. Many times, I use traingle to catch or clear many crosses (especially if they were launched from near the corner line)
Attacking wise, this formation will make your players all over the place.
In the past week, I played 4 times (long sessions) with this formation. I Won 18, lost 3, draw 3
I add a regular 3-4-3 formation as formation B, and another defensive formation. To be quite honest, I rarely switch to the other 2 formations. The first formation combined with manual control over Att/Def is solid enough in all cases. I apply the following manual stragies: (x) counter attack, (square) zone press, (traingle) formation A, (circle) formation B.
Give it a shot!
Thanks to all the folks who congratulated me and private messaged me.
Now, let us get back to business
This is my current 3-4-3 formation. I must say, it works wonders with me. I used it heavily against all forms of 4-3-3 (human opponents), and I was soo pleased with the results. This formation dominates the mid feild, and very attacking in nature. If you know how to defend wisely, you will find that it holds itself quite good in defense.
I don't want to repeat myself, cause propbably I mentioned this before. However, I want to add here a few tips about defense cause I received messages from many people complaining about inability to defend against 3 strikers. I still believe 3 CB backed up with midfeilds is all what you need back there.
As a former side back, I never give the inside to my opponet. When my opponent have possession on the side, I always keep my player two steps behind (as long as he is on the side most times I don't even bother to sprint after him). Always have the prioprity to defend with the center back, and leave the sweeper as a last resort. I know it is sychological, but I noticed that when you don't sprint after you opponents, he tends to slow down. This helps to give time to ask for the support you need from mid feild. I watch the radar carefully, and keep my focus on intersecting the next pass. Using square to ask for assistance + R2 timed with x will help much in defense.
Another tip is to make use of the goal keeper. Most of the times, I use him as a last sweeper to clear through balls. Many times, I use traingle to catch or clear many crosses (especially if they were launched from near the corner line)
Attacking wise, this formation will make your players all over the place.
In the past week, I played 4 times (long sessions) with this formation. I Won 18, lost 3, draw 3
I add a regular 3-4-3 formation as formation B, and another defensive formation. To be quite honest, I rarely switch to the other 2 formations. The first formation combined with manual control over Att/Def is solid enough in all cases. I apply the following manual stragies: (x) counter attack, (square) zone press, (traingle) formation A, (circle) formation B.
Give it a shot!
luv4skating
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I would like to use some of these formations in WE9 ML for X Box, but I can't get the game to save more than 3 formations, formation A, formation B, and the current one, I tried to save it in "stock"
Does anyone know how to save more than 2 to 3 formations?
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Does anyone know how to save more than 2 to 3 formations?
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fully27
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Glad i could help Gillo45.
Observer: I play almost exactly the same as you, but i found that playing a DMF in stead of a CMF in the middle in your first picture, allows a little more cover, an outlet to go backwards to, and provided hes got high aggression or the reaction star he will get forward to join the attack just as a cmf, provided youve got another CMF with the covering star, your sorted, that hole is filled, allowing a second formation to be freed for an even more attacking formation rather than your second one with 2 dmf. My 2 other formations are,
For attack:
Pushing my OMF into CF (Zico normally plays there for me) And pushing my SS's into WF positions, and moving one of my CMF into a OMF position to fill the hole. This usually a last gasp equalizer or winner situation this is used for. OR quick couter attacks, often stuck on just as the other team takes a corner.
And my other is not so much to sit back and defend but just winn the ball back in midfiled, sticking 5 in like yours. A SS, usually rooney drops back to OMF, the other joins Gilardino up top, then the old OMF sits right in the middle of the park, like a diamond midfield, with a man in the middle of the diamond. Just to pack the midfield win the ball bac and break quickly with one of the other 2 formations.
As you have it is very effective and looks very strong, just thought id suggest a slight variation if youd like to try it.
Also, so i can avoid having to use paint again, how do i create a diagram like yours, ive downloaded the template before but do i need a photshop type programme in order to edit it?
Observer: I play almost exactly the same as you, but i found that playing a DMF in stead of a CMF in the middle in your first picture, allows a little more cover, an outlet to go backwards to, and provided hes got high aggression or the reaction star he will get forward to join the attack just as a cmf, provided youve got another CMF with the covering star, your sorted, that hole is filled, allowing a second formation to be freed for an even more attacking formation rather than your second one with 2 dmf. My 2 other formations are,
For attack:
Pushing my OMF into CF (Zico normally plays there for me) And pushing my SS's into WF positions, and moving one of my CMF into a OMF position to fill the hole. This usually a last gasp equalizer or winner situation this is used for. OR quick couter attacks, often stuck on just as the other team takes a corner.
And my other is not so much to sit back and defend but just winn the ball back in midfiled, sticking 5 in like yours. A SS, usually rooney drops back to OMF, the other joins Gilardino up top, then the old OMF sits right in the middle of the park, like a diamond midfield, with a man in the middle of the diamond. Just to pack the midfield win the ball bac and break quickly with one of the other 2 formations.
As you have it is very effective and looks very strong, just thought id suggest a slight variation if youd like to try it.
Also, so i can avoid having to use paint again, how do i create a diagram like yours, ive downloaded the template before but do i need a photshop type programme in order to edit it?
law_order,
If you feel you are struggling in defense, maybe this formation is not for you. I defend quite good naturally, and usually my opponents struggle to score. I noticed I defend even better when I have less players in the back.
For me, I tried this formation against different formations and against COM or human opponents, and it proved to be solid enough in defense. Of course, sometimes I receive goals, but in most times, I score more.
I will try to add some defensive tips later. However, you may go back to some my previous posts in this thread. I think it might be useful.
Fully27,
I use Microsoft Visio.
I feel more comfortable with a CM with defensive awareness. He moves more freely in the feild and sometimes even scores. However, I agree having him as a DMF might be a good option if you need more support in the midfeild defensively. it worths a try!
As said in my posts, I don't change to formation B,A a lot as I feel the original formation is solid enough. Sometimes, I change my formation B to a regular 4-4-2 when I need to break the monotony.
Cheers
If you feel you are struggling in defense, maybe this formation is not for you. I defend quite good naturally, and usually my opponents struggle to score. I noticed I defend even better when I have less players in the back.
For me, I tried this formation against different formations and against COM or human opponents, and it proved to be solid enough in defense. Of course, sometimes I receive goals, but in most times, I score more.
I will try to add some defensive tips later. However, you may go back to some my previous posts in this thread. I think it might be useful.
Fully27,
I use Microsoft Visio.
I feel more comfortable with a CM with defensive awareness. He moves more freely in the feild and sometimes even scores. However, I agree having him as a DMF might be a good option if you need more support in the midfeild defensively. it worths a try!
As said in my posts, I don't change to formation B,A a lot as I feel the original formation is solid enough. Sometimes, I change my formation B to a regular 4-4-2 when I need to break the monotony.
Cheers
fully27
Registered User
I understand where your coming from Observer, who would you suggest for the centre CMF role?
Also I've been playing slightly differently recently, (differnt ML team). My other formation A, rather than going 5 in midfield, i just dropped my 2 cmf in line with the dmf, brought my amf in around the centre circle and all 3 strikers as far back as they can. Usually coupling that with a couple of notches down on the attack/defence level, content with my opponent in front of me, 10 - 12 seconds they make a long pass or mistake, switch back to my normal formation, all 3 strikers are flooding forward, a lofted through ball and im in.
That said ive got another 2 points:
1. Miccoli, awesome player, his stats dont do his ability justice, he performs better than most players with stats much higher than his, nippy little guy.
2. Ive been finding it very hard to build on 2 goals. I think ive won the past 6 or 7 games 2 - 0. I can't seem to find a way for the third, I make subs, freshen up my team. But stiill i only ever manage 2 quick first half goals, or an early goal with a second at the 70 minute stage. This seems universal for just about every game, any tips to grab a 3rd or 4th?
Also I've been playing slightly differently recently, (differnt ML team). My other formation A, rather than going 5 in midfield, i just dropped my 2 cmf in line with the dmf, brought my amf in around the centre circle and all 3 strikers as far back as they can. Usually coupling that with a couple of notches down on the attack/defence level, content with my opponent in front of me, 10 - 12 seconds they make a long pass or mistake, switch back to my normal formation, all 3 strikers are flooding forward, a lofted through ball and im in.
That said ive got another 2 points:
1. Miccoli, awesome player, his stats dont do his ability justice, he performs better than most players with stats much higher than his, nippy little guy.
2. Ive been finding it very hard to build on 2 goals. I think ive won the past 6 or 7 games 2 - 0. I can't seem to find a way for the third, I make subs, freshen up my team. But stiill i only ever manage 2 quick first half goals, or an early goal with a second at the 70 minute stage. This seems universal for just about every game, any tips to grab a 3rd or 4th?
fully27
Registered User
I have been experimenting with a new formation, not sure about it still, try it and see what you think, works well if you play, qucik and direct:
---CB--Cb---CB
------Dmf
---------CMF
-AMF---AMF----AMF
---------Cf
-------------CF
play it up to a striker who can hold it up well, and then there are players flooding forawrd all around him, probably work better against humans to be fair, gets a bit crowded vs the COM
---CB--Cb---CB
------Dmf
---------CMF
-AMF---AMF----AMF
---------Cf
-------------CF
play it up to a striker who can hold it up well, and then there are players flooding forawrd all around him, probably work better against humans to be fair, gets a bit crowded vs the COM
jMz
I beg your pardon?
Well I have been trying to experiment quite a bit lately, and I always seem to end up using a 4-4-2 diamond. If I'm struggling to make chances, I'll change the striker to a left winger and I can usually manage a win. It's hard to judge though cos I haven't lost for a couple of seasons, I see a draw as a crisis.
Bought Kempes a couple of seasons ago, he's about 29 now I think, he's been excellent in that left wing role, cutting in and slotting it past the keeper or providing great crosses.
Also Neeskens has been banging in some awesome goals from range.
Bought Kempes a couple of seasons ago, he's about 29 now I think, he's been excellent in that left wing role, cutting in and slotting it past the keeper or providing great crosses.
Also Neeskens has been banging in some awesome goals from range.
jMz, I switched to a 4-4-2 diamond myself, as I was not playing well with my 4-4-3 variation. I managed to get to the International Cup final with England (lost 5-4 pens). I used the default 442 A4 formation, so I was wondering if you made any tweaks from that or if you made your own completely.
hi guys been reading up on this thread for a while now, just hoping if any one could help me out a bit. i have been trying my own formations and using A+B formations for ages now but i finally have to admit partial defeat.
My friend use 5-3-2 with Arsenal and its becoming a pain in the arse. Which sorta looks like this a bit, as close as i could get it:
----------CB-----------
--RB--CB-----CB---LB--
-----------------------
----------CM----------
-----------------------
----AM---------AM----
-----------------------
-------CF----CF-------
Now observer i've tried your formation from Page 23 and its been holding up witha few tweaks of my own but the overwhelming fact of his 3 center backs controlling my central striker is annoying, i can't seem to get a through ball too him and equally annoying is that even if i get the ball to one of the WF my striker is still well covered in the box when the crosses come in.
Now i tried this to see if this pulled his central defenders out a bit more and i've been using it but i'm hoping for someone here to suggest something which will greatlly improve my chances
--------SWP---------
----CB--------CB----
---------------------
---DMF------DMF----
---------------------
--AM--AM--AM--AM--
---------------------
---------CF---------
Now left AM and right AM act as my wingers and i can just about handle my mates attack but its no good when i can't score the other end.
I hope to hear some of your ideas so i can reclaim the tactical title especially as it was me who suggested to my friend that he change his formations after i continously kicked his butt for like 2 years. cheers for any replys
My friend use 5-3-2 with Arsenal and its becoming a pain in the arse. Which sorta looks like this a bit, as close as i could get it:
----------CB-----------
--RB--CB-----CB---LB--
-----------------------
----------CM----------
-----------------------
----AM---------AM----
-----------------------
-------CF----CF-------
Now observer i've tried your formation from Page 23 and its been holding up witha few tweaks of my own but the overwhelming fact of his 3 center backs controlling my central striker is annoying, i can't seem to get a through ball too him and equally annoying is that even if i get the ball to one of the WF my striker is still well covered in the box when the crosses come in.
Now i tried this to see if this pulled his central defenders out a bit more and i've been using it but i'm hoping for someone here to suggest something which will greatlly improve my chances
--------SWP---------
----CB--------CB----
---------------------
---DMF------DMF----
---------------------
--AM--AM--AM--AM--
---------------------
---------CF---------
Now left AM and right AM act as my wingers and i can just about handle my mates attack but its no good when i can't score the other end.
I hope to hear some of your ideas so i can reclaim the tactical title especially as it was me who suggested to my friend that he change his formations after i continously kicked his butt for like 2 years. cheers for any replys
Pahansuopa
Registered User
Observers 3-4-3
Fabulous formation Observer!
I havent tested it against human opponent yet, but against COM 5 ***** it works like charm. Yeasterday i played six games against COM and won all of them comfortably with my ML-team. I immediately noticed major difference in attack. With your 3-4-3 I have continous goal scoring chances and vastly improved variation in attack. It seems like completely different game. Before adopting your formation i had trouble getting any flow to the game and finding space for my attacks and now it is highly volatile exciting game with my whole midfield joining the attacks. I switch beetween zone pressure and counter attack using former when i try to steal ball earlier and latter when i want to launch a quick counter end to end. I dont use any other form of manual strategy besides ZP and CA. L2 + (R1 or R2) gives a little spice to my defence and attack. I think your formation is specially great at luring COM forward and then leaving lots of space space behind for my wingers and cf to use at their advantage with quick counter.
My ML team:
---------Yohan Pele-----------
--Heitinga-----Bos---Felipe---------
Gambino---Mascherano---Maxwell--
----------Rooney--------------
-Park--Schwarch--Yakubu
some of my subs
Martins (declining)
Källström (at peak/ declining)
Carlos (developing)
Rivaldo (developing)
Ragol Kodak
Cicinho (great as a winger subbing Park or Gambino)
Hong yan Nam (developing goalie)
Thanks Observer and congrats for new family member! I have a 6 months old son myself.
p.s This is my first pro evo and have been playing for couple of weeks now. Started with 2 ** and found it quite soon boring becose of that you could just sprint past opponents. Changed to 3* and found the game utterly frustrating with no space to attack in or near the box and computer never attacking. Changed to 4 and game got better but not much space against any team and against weaker teams specially. 5* not much of a change to 4 * at all. Havent tested 6 * becose i've had the game so little time yet.
Fabulous formation Observer!
I havent tested it against human opponent yet, but against COM 5 ***** it works like charm. Yeasterday i played six games against COM and won all of them comfortably with my ML-team. I immediately noticed major difference in attack. With your 3-4-3 I have continous goal scoring chances and vastly improved variation in attack. It seems like completely different game. Before adopting your formation i had trouble getting any flow to the game and finding space for my attacks and now it is highly volatile exciting game with my whole midfield joining the attacks. I switch beetween zone pressure and counter attack using former when i try to steal ball earlier and latter when i want to launch a quick counter end to end. I dont use any other form of manual strategy besides ZP and CA. L2 + (R1 or R2) gives a little spice to my defence and attack. I think your formation is specially great at luring COM forward and then leaving lots of space space behind for my wingers and cf to use at their advantage with quick counter.
My ML team:
---------Yohan Pele-----------
--Heitinga-----Bos---Felipe---------
Gambino---Mascherano---Maxwell--
----------Rooney--------------
-Park--Schwarch--Yakubu
some of my subs
Martins (declining)
Källström (at peak/ declining)
Carlos (developing)
Rivaldo (developing)
Ragol Kodak
Cicinho (great as a winger subbing Park or Gambino)
Hong yan Nam (developing goalie)
Thanks Observer and congrats for new family member! I have a 6 months old son myself.
p.s This is my first pro evo and have been playing for couple of weeks now. Started with 2 ** and found it quite soon boring becose of that you could just sprint past opponents. Changed to 3* and found the game utterly frustrating with no space to attack in or near the box and computer never attacking. Changed to 4 and game got better but not much space against any team and against weaker teams specially. 5* not much of a change to 4 * at all. Havent tested 6 * becose i've had the game so little time yet.
Observers Formations
Great formations... Been scoring loads of goals... 62 goals sofar on 5* an still 6 games to go!! Rooney and Torres unstoppable upront with marchand crossing in from left, Anderson in the pocket for back up, using Vomme & Adu as wing backs With Bos, Bradley and Fernandez staunchly defending the back line, only conceeded 11 goals!! AWESOME OBSERVER
Great formations... Been scoring loads of goals... 62 goals sofar on 5* an still 6 games to go!! Rooney and Torres unstoppable upront with marchand crossing in from left, Anderson in the pocket for back up, using Vomme & Adu as wing backs With Bos, Bradley and Fernandez staunchly defending the back line, only conceeded 11 goals!! AWESOME OBSERVER
Pahansuopa
Registered User
Drugmonki said:
I am no expert so if you dont find this useful just ignore it. If your CF is covered with three defenders there should be space behind him. Have you tried crosses behind cf (to the edge of the penalty area) to oncoming AMF's? 5-3-2 is tough to crack, but i find that long shots open space for your forwards and if your cf is covered with three defenders you should have enough space to make those long shots even deadlier.
jMz
I beg your pardon?
Mate I use different versions all the time depending on how the opposition set out.Jon23 said:
As usual I am now using a different set up all together, had a few friendlies with Classic Argentina against my mate and I liked the set-up so I copied it and put it in my master league team. It's a quality setup, should give it a try.
Had a good run with it, conceding more goals than usual, but also scoring a lot more, so it's worth it.