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Become a legend/ what konami could fix/improve/add?

metsuri69

Registered User
Let's face the major FL Master League experience deterioration. Konami had a solid package for Master League at PES 2013. Only reason I can see for this years fallback is the new engine and Konami wants to bring "new things" next year. If they would keep all existing things, we would have already a perfect football game.

These things from Master League break the experience:

- Players reborn with stats they had
- Too slow player development
- No chance to learn new positions (?)

These things bring down the immersion but aren't gamebreaking:

- No buying staff anymore
- Player scouting. You would know their stats only after a small scouting period (Pes2011 I recall)
- Clear charts of player development (Last time like Pes6)
- Manager / Players giving speeches (Pes 2013 still)
- No editing manager appearance. Why not, as now you actually can change team you manage?

Are all just SAD things to be missing from a great game. Feels like Konami is working really with tight budget if all they can do is include a new engine, but have take off ALL old features which they've already had in older iterations!

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Pohjoinen

Registered User
PES 2014 BAL Improvement suggestions

PES 2014 Become a Legend improvement suggestions

Here are some suggestions to improve Become a Legend mode. There might be same things as earlier in this thread, apologies for that. Orginally I writed this text before I found this thread. Allthough I did make some additions as I wanted this to be inclusive.

I have played PES-series for years now and Become a Legend mode is probably my favourite mode in the game. Still it feels like there’s room for improvement. Some of these ideas have been in the previous games, but aren’t in 2014 version. Correct me if I’m wrong. Here are some thoughts of the mode and improvement suggestions.

I think this text is well organized and easy to follow so please read and comment.

Gameplay
Things that are well made on my opinion:
1. The way player can run past defenders with right timed changes in rhythm of dribbling.
2. The physical side how you can rob the ball from opposition player by pushing him and also keep opposition away while covering the ball.
3. Passing is quite free eventhough I haven’t figured out how to pass good through balls over the defensive line, I usually just play it along the ground when my teammate is making a run through the line.
4. Teammates make more goals than before, it’s a really important improvement compared to earlier editions because it’s not realistic that you are the only player in the team that can score and you are forced to carry the team on your shoulders eventhough you play in a big team like Arsenal or Barcelona.

Things that need improvement:
AI should be improved.
1. Always when I pass the ball to my teammate it’s probable that we lose possession too often.
2. It’s not likely to get good through balls and they are always played along the ground. Why the teammates never play a high ball behind the defensive line even though there’s a player making a run for it.
3. Teammates are not responsive enough on some loose balls. The ball can just roll by some AI controlled players without any effect on them and at the same time some other teammate is running for the loose ball from far away. The result is most of the times lost possession of the ball. Or in other cases opposition player is dribbling with the ball and your teammates that are close to it just stand while the player in possession of the ball runs past them.

Fast forwarding with quicker speed after getting substituted should be possible because I don’t care to watch the game. :mellow:

Okay then, next here are some suggestions that in my opinion could be improved or added to the Become a Legend mode to make it even better. Some of these changes could also be great in Master league mode.


Clubs

Club budget
Teams should differ from each other by the amount of their budget. So bigger teams should have more money to spend on transfers and have better training facilities and staff, that would affect on training points player gets. So with more training points the player develops faster and players want to move to better clubs because of this.

Team success should affect on the budget. For example as the team gets to the Champions or Europa league it should affect on the transfers that can be made and the overall budget. The smaller club you play for could develop as it plays well and in time the club could become bigger and it would be possible to get better players this way. I dont like the current random transfers. :angry:

Smaller clubs could be tempted to sell a player in hopes of a transfer fee. Or in other cases keep on to their star player.

Also the Club should set a position target before the start of the season so there would be something to aim for. The result would affect on clubs budget and development of the club

Transfer activity rate
Transfer activity rate should be possible to set before you start the game mode. Now the transfers seem random and sometimes completely irrational.

For example in my save during my time in Arsenal, they sold 5 important defenders in january and bought 1 defender in return. At this point we were at the top of the table. Manager was forced to play our captain central midfielder as central back, because the team didn’t have any defenders left. :no:

So it would be great if transfers could be lowered to minimum. It doesn’t feel right when 10 players change randomly in the team almost every season.

Interaction with your manager
Manager should inform the player on the expected role in the club. As the responsibility grows in time the role could change.

Player could inform his unhappines on the playing time or the fact that he is played out of position for example and demand for some specific position. Player could also inform his unhappines on teams actions in the transfer market after selling important player or demand on more activity to get better players.

Also the request for specific number must come back to the mode and it should be possible to request even a taken number then depending on the status of the player the Manager would decide will he listen the requests.

Manager could also put missions for a player on how he wants the player to play like (there was in PES 2012) ”Get 3 shots on target” as striker or ”Make interceptions” as the defensive midfielder. Managers trust to the player should be rated and it would be effected by the performances on the pitch.

Player status
Players status in the club should develop during time. At the early stages of players career he should be considered as future prospect, that club wants to develop and hold on to, but possibly the player doesn’t get too much playing time at this point, because managers trust rate for the player is not yet high enough. In time the status would change to better or worse depending on the playing performances. I

n addition a higher status player in the team wouldn't be substituted off so easily. Being substituted seems to be a problem for several players of BAL-mode, I have read several "cry for help"-messages that dealt with this matter.

Possible player status ranking
1. Young prospect (Higher chance to get loaned out for more playing time)
2. Rotation player (Substituted often, several positions)
3. Regular player
4. Valuable player (Team wants to hold on to the player)
5. Indispensable player (Possibly captain or vice-captain)
6. Unwanted player (won’t get contract extension/transfer listed)

Captaincy
Club should set the captain and vice captains before the start of the season. The decicion would be made considering players status at the club.

The captain should have some duties like interviews about the team and he should be the press conference representative of the team with the manager. Possibility to talk to the team to maintain/lift morale after/before games would be great.

Scouts
Bigger clubs should send their scouts to observe interesting players. Good performances in these games would have bigger possibility to attract offers from these clubs than normal games. Also Europa and Champions league games should be games that increase the possibility to raise interest of some bigger clubs especially if you play well. Awards and for example winning the goal scoring charts of the team or even the whole league should also affect on offers. Agents would be informing about different scouts and inviting them to come and see depending on the level.

Test period before contract
When trying to move to bigger clubs there could be a possibility for a test period before the actual contract if the club isn’t quite sure yet about the player. Test could include training matches and smaller clubs could possibly encourage the player to go as they hope to get transfer fee.

Loans
As a young promising player the club should sign a long contract and try to get him playing time by a loan transfer if the player doesn’t fit into the team yet. Loans would be a good way to ensure development and future bigger role in the club.

Players

Control over teammates
I would like to give my teammates signals on where I want them to run and a possibility to point a ”run ball” ahead of me so it doesn’t always have to be a pass to foot. Also orders of when to press opposition and possibly when to lift or lower the defensive line by signals should be more effective depending on players status rank.

The effectiveness of the signals in general would depend on the player status in the team, captaincy/indispensable player would be the highest level. I think this would be more realistic and make the gameplay less frustrating at times when it feels like teammates make wrong decicions.

Contract renewals
Is there some bug on the contract renewals in the game? I haven’t yet got any contract extension offers.

In my BAL save my player is now 25 years old - best player in the world. I was the top scorer and assister in Arsenal. We were very succesful in all competitions during my time at the club. Yet still I didn’t get a contract renewal and I was forced to look for a new employer. I moved to Barcelona with a two year contract.

As you negotiate on a contract renewal it should be possible to set demands on salary and length of the contract, but also set a possible release clause for upcoming offers from bigger clubs. The manager should tell to the player his thoughts of players role in the club and set some target on possible development.

Player loyalty rate
Some players are considered as more loyal for their clubs than others. This should have an effect on the transfers so that specific players rarely or don’t move at all because of their loyality rate. For example Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Ryan Giggs (ManU), Javier Zanetti (Inter) Xavi and Lionel Messi (Barcelona) are considered as club loyal players. I don’t really want them to move to other clubs it just doesn’t feel right.

In my BAL save Chelsea’s midfield was Zanetti and Giggs as young players, I absolutely hated to play against them as they were in the ”wrong team”. (When I first saw it I was like) :shocking:

Popularity
Players popularity rate amongst the fans should be affected by players performances on the pitch and loyalty for the club. If you inform the media that you are unsettled in the club and place a transfer request for a club fans could respond in a negative manner and it would have an effect in the popularity rate. Also crowd reactions on the games where you play on your former home ground against former team could be determined by the way you left the team.

The popularity could be shown by crowd reactions during games. Depending on players popularity amongst the fans he could receive booing or cheering (or something in the middle of those) when he is substituted on/off the field. When off the field there could be pictures or animations of the player with the fans showing the current state of popularity.

Media
There could be press conferences as the player joins a new club, before the season, before big matches and after the player have been named as man of the match (interview). Press conferences could be mainly captains responsibility. The answers should have different choices.

Interviews would be a great addition to the game mode as you could possibly tell about your targets/dreams as a professional player and set some favourite club you hope play in some day. Or tell to the media what do you think of the teams season so far. Something like that.

There could be news (and transfer rumours) after interviews, matches and transfers. In the news clubs manager would tell about his expectations of the new player (this part could also be in the press conference).

Agents
Agents would be valuable part of contract negotiations about salary and the lenght of the contract. Also the level of the agent could affect on the contract offers.

Sponsorships
The Player could have their own sponsorship contracts that agents negotiate. They could for example be from Adidas, Nike, Puma or Umbro (or just imaginary sponsor). A possibility to gain more money. After a signed contract there could be a commercial picture of the player and it could determine the boots that player must use.

Clubs could get some big sponsor after success and that way increase their budget.

Money
Money should mean something. At the moment I don’t care about my salary because it doesn’t have an effect on anything. Good place to spend money in would be agents that would be rated in levels. Better agent gets you better offers from bigger clubs.
Better salary could affect on the morale and form of the player as he gets contract renewal or move to a bigger club.

Fatique
Fatique during the game should show in some way in terms of realism, as it's not that realistic to run as fast as you can for the whole 45mins without getting out of breath. (Not quite sure would this edition be just frustrating). This would although make player focus on stamina when choosing training priorities and so the player would not get substituted so often in the 70-80th minute.
Also my player miraculously have avoided all injuries as well as everyone else on the pitch. That point could be improved as well to more realistic side.


BAL Mode outlook

Animations
I miss the variety in animations. Now there’s this one where the player walks towards the camera after national team announcement and after you win the World footballer of the year award. It would be great to get individual animations or even pictures as:
1. Joining to a new team
2. Appointed as the captain or vice captain
3. Man of the match award
4. World footballer of the year (or Best in Europe/Asia/South America..)
5. Press conference
6. Interview
7. Sponsor contract
8. National team announcement
9. The Manager informing the team on how the team is doing and what should be done better

Achievement gallery
I hope we get the achievement gallery back. There would be all achievements seoson by season and also separatedly by club. So it can be checked that in which club the player was the most succesfull. Overall records of each achievement on player and also club level like the number of champions league, league and cup titles, but also goal scorer charts victories and other things like that.
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That’s it. Become a Legend is a great game mode, I hope it keeps developing in the future and maybe some of these things I listed here will be in the upcoming updates and games. What do you guys think of these suggestions? Please comment, I would love to see other ideas and comments on these suggestions. :laugh:

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koentrao

Registered User
Konami,

- Realistic transfer fees
- Players on loan need to come back after the first season
- Better deals when you buy a player, maybe a transfer fee + a player?
 

gregggggggggg

Registered User
The sure is that many many many people play become a legend... so... konami should fix/improve/add "things" to BAL.
I know if gameplay changes Bal will change too but... i think the details will make it better...

"fix/improve/add"?? this isn't their first rodeo, this is about the 15th incarnation of this game and pes 2014 is the WORST football game i have EVER played. they should be tweaking here and there, but the gameplay has gone back 10 years, the load time is worse than my old texas instrument where you used to have to put a cassette in then eject and turn it over half way through, i don't know about anyone else but the graphics are jerky and jumpy throughout, i'm not the best player ever, but when i hit the shoot button i don't expect the avatar to take 2 extra touches and then try to shoot as 3 players and the goalie tackle him, making me a worse player!!... i could go on, but i'm even boring myself, fuck this, i'm snapping this game, sticking it in the bin where it belongs and getting fifa
 

halamadrid.gr

New Member
Bal

I think that it would be great if the BAL had an option like the Champions League mode......this one which allow to choose how many players you want to play in the same competition (1-32)...So the players will be able to compete each other or play in the same team e.t.c......I think it would be great !!!!:D (of course in BAL the option will be between 1-11 players..)

Also this is agreat idea for Master League too.....because the managers will be able to compete each other like BAL, also fight for the same Player (transfer) or play against each other and fight for the championship e.t.c.....
 

Rludeman44

Registered User
Brand new to PES, made the switch from Arcade FIFA. I have played 2 games of become a legend and haven't seen a single foul. Unless there's a goal or the ball goes out of bounds, there's no stoppages. I really hope I have some weird settings or something bc I was looking for SIM soccer.
 
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