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Bought the game at midnight, returning it tomorrow!

Daz Joyce

Registered User
mmmm

After queueing for about 25 minutes and buying PES for £33 in Asda (rip off) I had high hopes because the demo seemed pretty decent compared to previous Pro Evo's.

Anyway, after about an hour of playing it I've decided the game is utter crap & it'll be getting returned in the morning.

Reasons:
- if you tap x to pass, the ball flies towards your player at 100mph (fake)
- lack of advantage rule
- considering the apparent '360 movement' it still feels like you can only go straight/diagonal
- players' first touches are absolutely terrible

I could probably list more but it's annoyed me so much at the moment it's unreal!

The only positives I can take out of it are that the shooting is pretty good as is the crossing from freekicks.

Apart from that FIFA wins again, hands down!

Sup bro i hear where ya coming from me and a mate bought it at midnight and i was like woahh this aint nuffin like the demo. For some reason the game runs ultra fast when on +2 speed setting but it didnt on the demo on that setting and even on 0 the game is super fast im confused as too what they have done maybe they need to patch it im not sure. I agree the passes are fcked up too its weird but the demo was great i loved it but the final game has changed for the worse which doesnt normally happen lol. Also players run really weird and there is delays... a bit like lag u would get online but it;s in offline mode im hoping they patch it asap im just gonna stick with it and not let it put me off cos i love the game i just think they have made some errors. Also online there is ultra lag. played 3 games with my mate who lives down the road and connection was 1 bar red but we both have brilliant connection and no problems on other games so maybe the servers are not at 100 percent yet. Stick wid it bro until a patch is made.
 

Tech_Skill

Registered User
This game is hilarious, cant take anyone more, got the CL quaters against Milan, was a total joke, they go 1-0 up when ronaldinho shoots, ball rebounds of my keeper goes to my defender, he goes to take a 1st touch, ball goes off him into the net.

I equalise, then next mins the ball is going on ambrosini does a near rediclous cut back, ronaldinho hits it first time from a crazy angle, keeper saves, and somehow manages to knock the ball right next to inzaghi who taps in.

Play on top player, the CPU AI cheating is hilarious.

Beat Roma in the previous round, was 2-0 from the first leg, 5 mins into the second leg ball goes loose and david pizzaro does an unstoppable 25 yard shot into the corner.

I only won 2 away games, in nearly every single one my team would play shit, at home...unbeaten, infact i think i won every home game.

The defending in this game is soo bad its unreal, but the response time are the worst ive seen since fifa 09, if a ball goes loose, you cant even pass it first time, if the cpu misplaces a pass, see if you can pass it right back, you nearly always take a touch first.

The delay is about 1 second sometimes, I press pass, bar goes up, nothing happens, press shoot, player takes a first touch, sorry but Im seriously annoyed at this game right now.

Edit: My official record so far (in the track record thing) was 10 games played 8 Won. I quit the CL after the above Bollocks and have started Master League. Won my 1st game. (I play on Top Player)
 

sgmullins

Registered User
:angry:
I'm assuming at some point in this thread I'll get called a FIFA fanboy or something along those lines.

But don't get me wrong, FIFA has a lot of faults of it's own - I'd be the first to admit that, but as far as Pro Evo's, I mean it's really really stupid things they have to fix. Nobody who has played the game can honestly say the passing is realistic? You tap the pass button and the ball just pings to your player.

Not to mention the fact Konami didn't do the summer transfers, what is that all about? I know you can download option files & what not...but it's October, transfer window finished the end of August - why can't they do it for release date?

At my ASDA where I bought the game there was only about 30 people queueing for it, whereas last week with FIFA there was nearer 400...I think that just about sums PES up for now
Yeah and probably 350 of the 400 fifa 11 buyers are now playing pes 2011. Have you read the fifa forums lately.....major mutiny go on over there.
 

Amateur

Registered User
To be honest that's not the problem. Apart from the last 3 years or so I always bought PES and I was always brilliant at it (dont mean to brag - but I was usually ranked top 500 in the world). PES 2011 is the first I'd properly played in 3 years and my first friendly I put it on Top Player and won 3-1, so it's not getting used to a harder game I'm struggling with, it's just a very poor game in my honest evaluation.

Nobody agree that the passing is horrendous & waaaaay too fast?

Excellent point,

You say that PES11 is poor... I agree with that, the only difference is that I think FIFA11 is worst; so I spend my time playing PES11.

I do think PES11 is the best Football Sim to date, but considering the date, I do think it is outdated and overrated.

The other day I discussed this problem with professors who know a lot about education, and what they say is really outrageous... because I thought I was a skeptic, but when compared to the people who really know about it, I am very optimistic and naive.

Today, people have trouble communicating...

For instance, you say that PES11 is poor... and people see it as a PES vs FIFA thing; people do not want to talk about it, they do not want to talk about reasons why, they have no intention and no interest in communicating: they just want to agree or disagree and then go away...

That's just boring and counterproductive; for instance I don't give a shit about FIFA or EA Sports, but at the same time, I do agree with you that PES is simply not good enough... I do not care if it's better than FIFA11 because in my opinion FIFA11 is not worth my time.

But like I was saying, people have trouble communicating... for example, let me express something that has happened quite a few times in the PESGaming homepage.

I start talking about a flaw that has been in PES since PES ever existed; and here comes a PES fan boy and asks me why I think it is a flaw...

I explain to him why it is a flaw, I explain it to him with respect, point by point: the dude responds by saying, "You are just repeating yourself... I read the first few paragraphs, you may have a couple of valid points, but I will not bother reading your response"

People have trouble communicating because they do NOT RESPECT the people who have different mind-sets to their own. People want to hear what they want to hear, and when they hear something that they do not like, they criticize it without understanding it...

It's pretty boring in my opinion, if you do not respect my opinion and you do not understand my argument and you also have no interest in understanding my opinion, then why the fuck do you even bother questioning my argument?

Simple, the majority of consumers do not have any interest in communicating, they just want to lecture you or ridicule you in one way or the other; because the sad truth is that people are hypocrites and people suck, and in PESGaming they have the great opportunity of fucking with you and insulting you, and then go and say, "hey, it's only a video game... lighten up"

And of course, the same people that enjoy laughing at you, do not like it when the joke is on them; yet they think they deserve your respect...

They seem to forget that respect is not something you take for granted, you have to earn your respect, and for communication to work there must be a mutual respect and a mutual understanding.

In the PES world and in the real world, mutual respect and mutual understanding barely exists; but of course, "PES is just a video game"

* you criticize PES and all of a sudden you are accused of being a "FIFA fan-boy"

* you say that PES is real football and that FIFA is an artificial arcade game, and now "you are spot on!"

* you actually explain things point by point, with respect and objectiveness at the core of your argument, and the response is "are you on drugs?"

It's either, I agree, or I disagree, or I don't give a shit, there is no in-between. We have three type of consumers in the PES world,

1st -- the skeptics: always criticizing the flaws without understanding why the flaws exist. These group of consumers is not interested in knowing the reasons for why these flaws exists, they just want to moan about it; end of.

2nd -- the fan boys: always praising PES and never saying anything relevant nor objective about the product. These group of consumers will insult you if you do not agree with their views, and no, they do not respect you... but they think they deserve your respect.

3rd -- the neutrals: they appreciate the video game for what it is, most of the time their comments are spot on, but then they go and contradict everything they said by saying that FIFA is better or that PES is better; these group of consumers don't give a shit about constructive criticism, they just want a better game, but aren't interested in providing feedback nor communicating.

It's just CENSORSHIP at all times... the fan-boys communicate with fan-boys, the moaners communicate with other skeptics, and the neutrals don't give a shit.

It's sad that the very consumers encourage CENSORSHIP all the time... If the argument gets a bit interest: CENSORSHIP. If you do not agree with it: CENSORSHIP. If you do agree with it: CENSORSHIP...

PES11 and FIFA11 are in fact outdated, it is a fact, and facts are facts because of evidence; but of course, nobody gives a shit about the relevant stuff... just join one side and shut the fuck up.
 

Charlie

Registered User
Can anyone tell me how to do that Ronaldo trick where he flicks the ball behind him as he turns inside? I have a competition tomorrow night with the mates and I want to roast the bastards. Any trick for that matter would be welcomed.

Thanks in avance.
 

darktheory

Registered User
Omg, you talk so much sense!
Excellent point,

You say that PES11 is poor... I agree with that, the only difference is that I think FIFA11 is worst; so I spend my time playing PES11.

I do think PES11 is the best Football Sim to date, but considering the date, I do think it is outdated and overrated.

The other day I discussed this problem with professors who know a lot about education, and what they say is really outrageous... because I thought I was a skeptic, but when compared to the people who really know about it, I am very optimistic and naive.

Today, people have trouble communicating...

For instance, you say that PES11 is poor... and people see it as a PES vs FIFA thing; people do not want to talk about it, they do not want to talk about reasons why, they have no intention and no interest in communicating: they just want to agree or disagree and then go away...

That's just boring and counterproductive; for instance I don't give a shit about FIFA or EA Sports, but at the same time, I do agree with you that PES is simply not good enough... I do not care if it's better than FIFA11 because in my opinion FIFA11 is not worth my time.

But like I was saying, people have trouble communicating... for example, let me express something that has happened quite a few times in the PESGaming homepage.

I start talking about a flaw that has been in PES since PES ever existed; and here comes a PES fan boy and asks me why I think it is a flaw...

I explain to him why it is a flaw, I explain it to him with respect, point by point: the dude responds by saying, "You are just repeating yourself... I read the first few paragraphs, you may have a couple of valid points, but I will not bother reading your response"

People have trouble communicating because they do NOT RESPECT the people who have different mind-sets to their own. People want to hear what they want to hear, and when they hear something that they do not like, they criticize it without understanding it...

It's pretty boring in my opinion, if you do not respect my opinion and you do not understand my argument and you also have no interest in understanding my opinion, then why the fuck do you even bother questioning my argument?

Simple, the majority of consumers do not have any interest in communicating, they just want to lecture you or ridicule you in one way or the other; because the sad truth is that people are hypocrites and people suck, and in PESGaming they have the great opportunity of fucking with you and insulting you, and then go and say, "hey, it's only a video game... lighten up"

And of course, the same people that enjoy laughing at you, do not like it when the joke is on them; yet they think they deserve your respect...

They seem to forget that respect is not something you take for granted, you have to earn your respect, and for communication to work there must be a mutual respect and a mutual understanding.

In the PES world and in the real world, mutual respect and mutual understanding barely exists; but of course, "PES is just a video game"

* you criticize PES and all of a sudden you are accused of being a "FIFA fan-boy"

* you say that PES is real football and that FIFA is an artificial arcade game, and now "you are spot on!"

* you actually explain things point by point, with respect and objectiveness at the core of your argument, and the response is "are you on drugs?"

It's either, I agree, or I disagree, or I don't give a shit, there is no in-between. We have three type of consumers in the PES world,

1st -- the skeptics: always criticizing the flaws without understanding why the flaws exist. These group of consumers is not interested in knowing the reasons for why these flaws exists, they just want to moan about it; end of.

2nd -- the fan boys: always praising PES and never saying anything relevant nor objective about the product. These group of consumers will insult you if you do not agree with their views, and no, they do not respect you... but they think they deserve your respect.

3rd -- the neutrals: they appreciate the video game for what it is, most of the time their comments are spot on, but then they go and contradict everything they said by saying that FIFA is better or that PES is better; these group of consumers don't give a shit about constructive criticism, they just want a better game, but aren't interested in providing feedback nor communicating.

It's just CENSORSHIP at all times... the fan-boys communicate with fan-boys, the moaners communicate with other skeptics, and the neutrals don't give a shit.

It's sad that the very consumers encourage CENSORSHIP all the time... If the argument gets a bit interest: CENSORSHIP. If you do not agree with it: CENSORSHIP. If you do agree with it: CENSORSHIP...

PES11 and FIFA11 are in fact outdated, it is a fact, and facts are facts because of evidence; but of course, nobody gives a shit about the relevant stuff... just join one side and shut the fuck up.
 

DoubleO_88

Registered User
Wow am I the only one thoroughly enjoying PES11? I'm absolutely loving it! I can feel Pro 5 in it sure there are faults here and there but they're not big enough to make me switch to that boring repetitive junk that FIFA is.

It feels so satisfying actually thinking and working to beat players based on the skill of the player you are using and his close control accuracy. Shooting scorchers feels great too, not to mention the game looks so much better than the demo and the new animations are fantastic, almost on par with FIFA I feel like Pro is really back I can't believe so many of you are not enjoying this and are nitpicking like this is PES08.
 

Gun_Runner

100Gunz-100Clipz
1. goalie control off corner kicks is very slow or non responsive. I want to press triangle and bring out my goalie but he doesnt want to come out.
2. players running next to you when you have the ball dont make forward/intelligent runs, instead they sit there or fall back thus killing the attack. (this doesnt happen all the time)
3. defensive player switch has issues, the ai gives you the wrong player at times or switches players you control without you asking it to.
4. slow defenders become superfast and catch up to fast attckers like Messi on the break
5. The passing system is way to overpowered for the bad/slow reacting defenders. If you get good with your through passes you will score at will on the defenders

This.

I think in my original post I forgot to mention the lack of 'off the ball' movement from your team mates - this alone practically kills the game because a counter attack becomes near impossible due to the fact nobody will make a run for you!

Today I played the game for about 3 hours when I woke up - just to make sure I wasn't being to hasty before returning it.

Honestly, there was some moments during the games where I thought wow that was pretty good - however, that was quickly evened out by the horrid passing/defending.

In what world could Daniel Van Buyten ever catch Lionel Messi after he's dribbled past him??

I don't think I made myself clear what I meant about the passing in the original post. And as someone suggested I was playing on game speed +2, well they're wrong I was playing on 0 then switched to -1...slightly better. But for example, if I had the ball with a centre back and pressed X to pass to the left back...say he's 20 yards away, the ball would travel there in less than a second, it feels far too 'ping pong'

Anyway, after those 3 hours I returned the game for a full refund :) good days
 

shaun7

Registered User
This game is hilarious, cant take anyone more, got the CL quaters against Milan, was a total joke, they go 1-0 up when ronaldinho shoots, ball rebounds of my keeper goes to my defender, he goes to take a 1st touch, ball goes off him into the net.
Tech, I really didn't like this if it happens many times. Because this exact thing happens on fifa all the time.
Yeasterday I tried to clear a lose ball against the super barcelona, and iniesta somehow kept with Godin or Dominguez and when I cleared the ball, it bounced into him and into my net.:shocking:
I hate AI like that.
Why can't football games have proper AI these days.
 

Stormrider

Registered User
This.

I think in my original post I forgot to mention the lack of 'off the ball' movement from your team mates - this alone practically kills the game because a counter attack becomes near impossible due to the fact nobody will make a run for you!

Today I played the game for about 3 hours when I woke up - just to make sure I wasn't being to hasty before returning it.

Honestly, there was some moments during the games where I thought wow that was pretty good - however, that was quickly evened out by the horrid passing/defending.

In what world could Daniel Van Buyten ever catch Lionel Messi after he's dribbled past him??

I don't think I made myself clear what I meant about the passing in the original post. And as someone suggested I was playing on game speed +2, well they're wrong I was playing on 0 then switched to -1...slightly better. But for example, if I had the ball with a centre back and pressed X to pass to the left back...say he's 20 yards away, the ball would travel there in less than a second, it feels far too 'ping pong'

Anyway, after those 3 hours I returned the game for a full refund :) good days

I wish we can return games for a full refund in my country lol. We can only sell it back to them for like 60% of what it's worth which they will then sell again for 95% of the retail price. Quite a ripoff lol.
 

Amateur

Registered User
Tech, I really didn't like this if it happens many times. Because this exact thing happens on fifa all the time.
Yeasterday I tried to clear a lose ball against the super barcelona, and iniesta somehow kept with Godin or Dominguez and when I cleared the ball, it bounced into him and into my net.:shocking:
I hate AI like that.
Why can't football games have proper AI these days.

Because,

1st -- the left analogue stick works like a d-pad. What Konami and EA Sports did, is that they replaced the old 8-axis d-pad concept which was used in games like PES5 and PES6, and they replaced that system with a 360-axis d-pad concept: same old concept attached to a different button, you can add a million directions to it, it still works like a d-pad. It would be best described as an update, not a replacement.

2nd -- the defensive system has always been broken, the difference between now and then, is that the advances in some areas has further exposed a flaw that has always been there; it's just that the 8-axis d-pad concept did not exposed the underlying flaw.

Anyways, it is either PES11 or FIFA11 or nothing, and between those three... I prefer playing PES11 every now and then.

It's amazing how Konami and EA Sports take something that is very old, and they make it sound like something new,

"engineered for freedom"

"personality+"

I still enjoy playing PES10, and I will no doubt love PES11 once I master all the nuances; the problem for me is... that I cannot see how PES11 is a good stepping stone for the future... because there is nothing new as far as I'm concerned, PES11 and FIFA11 revolve around an outdated concept.

If the left analogue stick actually worked like an analogue stick, instead of working like a 360-axis d-pad; then I would say, "yes, this is a great foundation for the future"

But sadly, that is not the case, Konami and EA Sports are just adding more directions to the same old broken concept; the left analogue stick still works like it did in PES5, the only difference is that it is no longer restricted by the 8-axis wall of the d-pad, yet it still works like a d-pad.

Actually, I think it's stupid to hope that PES12 will finally fix this, it is overwhelmingly obvious, that PES12 will revolve around the same d-pad concept. That sucks.

And can the defensive system improve with no proper non-running-left-analogue-stick-animations? I do not think it can improve without proper non-running physics...

Which is why I think, a competent defensive system could actually make PES11 and FIFA11 more boring to play, because it will expose the fact that it is actually impossible to dribble with the ball.

Despite all the overwhelming evidence which supports the theory that PES12 might revolve around the same 360-axis d-pad concept that FIFA10 labeled "360 dribbling"; I'm still curious about what the hell Konami and EA Sports will do... because the details are running out.

What else can they do without actually replacing the d-pad concept? Well, giving it a second look, I think they can add details and more details for at least 3 years more... before being forced into replacing the old d-pad concept for a proper analogue concept.

The FIFA fans are saying that FIFA11 feels too much like FIFA10: there's a perfectly good reason for that, it is a yearly update that should cost half the price.
 

Gun_Runner

100Gunz-100Clipz
I wish we can return games for a full refund in my country lol. We can only sell it back to them for like 60% of what it's worth which they will then sell again for 95% of the retail price. Quite a ripoff lol.

I had to say that my brother had bought a copy from the same store on release day - they were fine with that and just gave me my money back :)

@Amateur. Couldn't agree more when you say that improves defence's would highlight the total inability to dribble...in FIFA you can used 'skilled dribble' but realistically it's crap & looks stupid, so therefore you have to use a trick to get by a player a lot of the time - and we know in real life that's not the case, Messi rarely uses tricks! Instead it's just body feints to confuse the defender.

PES has similar dribbling faults
 

BerbasNo1Fan

Registered User
One thing i can agree with is response times. Most of the time it seems near impossible to play a first time ball without them taking a touch
 

Amateur

Registered User
I had to say that my brother had bought a copy from the same store on release day - they were fine with that and just gave me my money back :)

@Amateur. Couldn't agree more when you say that improves defence's would highlight the total inability to dribble...in FIFA you can used 'skilled dribble' but realistically it's crap & looks stupid, so therefore you have to use a trick to get by a player a lot of the time - and we know in real life that's not the case, Messi rarely uses tricks! Instead it's just body feints to confuse the defender.

PES has similar dribbling faults

Gun_Runner

That is the bottom line, that is what it all boils down to... you cannot actually dribble with the ball...

And yes, PES and FIFA have the very same underlying flaw; the difference in feel, is determined by how Konami and EA Sports decide to hide the underlying flaw.

Dribbling with the ball is not about doing dribbling tricks all the time; some of the best dribblers of all times, like George Best and Lio Messi, they use efficient and simple dribbling skills.

Essentially, the art of dribbling with the ball is the art of disguising your intention; therefore, you must position your body posture so that it looks like you can go in three or two different directions, so that it looks like you are going to the left when in fact your intention is to go towards the right.

Disguising your intention, and when you are dribbling with the ball you are not accelerating with the ball; you cannot really disguise your intention when you are knocking the ball forwards... and in the case you are always knocking the ball forwards into the space, then you can never disguise your intentions, because your intentions are always in action.

And what happens when you can cover a space of over 100 feet of distance, by simply directing the left analogue stick without the assistance of a sprint button?

The fact that you can do that, the fact that you can actually cover spaces of over 100 feet of distance WITHOUT the assistance of a SPRINT button....

This means that the left analogue stick AUTOMATICALLY triggers or produces RUNNING OR JUGGING ANIMATIONS without the assistance of a sprint button...

Now, when you can RUN WITHOUT the assistance of a SPRINT button... you have a serious problem there, you have serious problems with the physics and with the momentum of the animations.

Where do you fit the NON-RUNNING ANIMATIONS? How do you disguise your intentions when your intentions are always in action?

Fairly simple, you don't have non-running animations because you don't have the space required for non-running animations; and to cover up the fact that you cannot actually DRIBBLE with the ball... you design a broken defensive system which highlights the positives and hides the negatives; highlights what you can do, but covers up the things that you cannot do.

And of course, the reason for why this happens, is because the left analogue stick revolves around a concept that was designed for the d-pad button, a concept that was not designed for the analogue stick: simply put, the left analogue stick revolves around a d-pad concept.

It's just basic things which are completely non-existent in both PES11 and FIFA11; the difference between running and dribbling... completely non-existent in PES11 and FIFA11.

Instead of fixing the reason for why it is impossible to dribble with the ball, Konami and EA Sports simply disguise the fact by giving you cheap dribbling tricks which are attached to the right analogue stick, and basically, selling you the idea or the illusion that you can dribble with the ball.

Yet, we should not overlook the fact, that when we pass the ball and when we shot the ball, and when we jog or run through space: we use the left analogue stick... we do not use the right analogue stick.

So for logical reasons, adding dribbling tricks to the right analogue stick will only hide the flaw, disguise the flaw, but it will never fix the flaw nor replace the outdated d-pad concept; because the fact remains, that running, passing, and shooting, are all attached to the left analogue stick...

And the left analogue stick does not produces non-running animations because it is restricted by the limitations of the d-pad... and adding more animations to the right analogue stick will not fix the underlying flaw; it is an alternative, not a solution.

As a result,

Konami and EA Sports hide or disguise the fact with a broken defensive system, because they know that a competent defensive system will actually make the game more boring because it will expose the underlying flaw that has been there since day one.

And this flaw exists, because the left analogue stick revolves around a d-pad concept, and thus is restricted by the limitations of the d-pad.

In other words, back in PES5 and PES6, when the game was based on the d-pad... back then certain flaws NEEDED to exist, and the fact that everything revolved around the old 8-axis d-pad concept, did not exposed the flaw.

This is why certain people say that PES5 and PES6 are better than the next gen offerings of PES; because the underlying flaw was not as noticeable before.

However, now that certain areas of the game have improved, now that the d-pad is 360-axis instead of 8-axis, you can see where the problem is...

The left analogue stick revolves around a concept which was designed for the d-pad button, a concept that was not designed for the analogue stick; Konami and EA Sports should get rid of the remaining d-pad roots that are currently holding the genre down.

The bottom line is: why waste the usage of the left analogue stick by literally using it as a d-pad? why highlight the things that the left analogue stick cannot do?

It's pretty basic stuff, it's not rocket science.... the left analogue stick should not revolve around a d-pad concept, the left analogue stick should revolve or function around a concept designed for the analogue stick.

Yet unfortunately, the vast majority of fans cannot tell the basic difference between RUNNING with the ball and actually DRIBBLING with the ball; the majority of fans waste their time discussing how the animations are not as good as FIFA, are not fluid enough, the fragmented play otherwise described as lack of fluidity; yet they do not seem to know the reason for why we have all these by-products, they do not seem to know nor notice the fact that in FIFA11 and PES11 you cannot actually dribble with the ball.

And the fact that the vast majority do not know nor notice the underlying flaw, means that 99.9% of our feedback revolves around hiding the underlying flaw, not fixing it; which makes 99.9% of our feedback redundant and subjective, as well as contradictory.

And the people who say that PES5 and PES6 were more responsive... yes it was more responsive, because the gameplay concept was designed for a d-pad, the d-pad revolved around a d-pad concept; the d-pad was restricted by its own limitations, and not by the limitations of some other button.

The left analogue stick could be just as responsive as the d-pad... but in order to be as responsive as the 8-axis d-pad that was used in games like PES5 and PES6, it needs to revolve around a concept that makes proper use of the analogue stick; instead of revolving around a concept which utilizes the left analogue stick as if it was the d-pad, and thus, instead of highlighting what the analogue can do, it highlights what the analogue cannot do (no, the left analogue cannot function like the d-pad).

There's really no excuse, no excuse at all, if your video game is supposed to revolve around the left analogue stick... then you might as well design a dribbling and man-marking system to highlight the advantages of the left analogue stick; otherwise, if the left analogue stick revolves around a d-pad concept, you get video games like PES10, FIFA10, PES11, FIFA11.

It is unresponsive, it is sluggish, why is that?

Because the d-pad concept that has always been used and that is still used today, exposes the fact that the left analogue stick CANNOT function like the d-pad...

The left analogue stick CANNOT be as responsive as the d-pad if it revolves around a concept that was designed to highlight what the d-pad can do, because if it highlights what the d-pad can do, this means that it covers up the things that the d-pad cannot do; and what the d-pad can do, the analogue cannot do.

As a result, the left analogue stick functions like an unresponsive albeit 360-directional d-pad; which means that it is restricted by the d-pad limitations...

You cannot DRIBBLE with the ball, you can only RUN with the ball; because you can cover spaces of over 100 feet of distance by simply directing the left analogue stick without the assistance of a sprint button.

Regardless of opinions, the bottom line is fairly simple: Konami and EA Sports should make better use of the left analogue stick, seriously, it's year 2010 and the left analogue stick works the same as it did back in PES5, and PES5 was based on the d-pad... now what does that tell you?

They talk about PES11 being a great "foundation for the future" -- yet -- I ask, is the foundation of PES5 not the same foundation that PES11 is built upon?

Before anyone calls me a hater or something like that, I still enjoy playing PES10 and I will no doubt also enjoy playing PES11; however, when you know that the underlying flaw remains untouched... you should point out the fact.

Which is what I'm doing, I want them to fix the flaw, that's all; you cannot fix the trivial flaws without fixing the root of the problem.


Have you tried pressing L1 when you pass as I can play plenty of first time balls using L1...

Yeah, but the problem is, why do I need to hold the L1?

That is uncomfortable, why do I need to hold the L1 button when it could be done by just directing the left analogue stick without the assistance of any button?

Konami uses the left analogue stick like a d-pad, this is why you need to hold the L1 button if you want to play a 1st-touch ball... Because if you do not hold the L1 button and yet you do direct the left analogue stick, the player will AUTOMATICALLY have an additional touch on the ball... this happens because the player can actually RUN without the assistance of a SPRINT button.

That's a good alternative though, holding the L1 button or the R2 button when you pass the ball; but the fact is, that alternatives are good for hiding flaws, never useful for actually fixing the flaw.

This is the reason for why the defensive system is broken, because alternatives will not fix the problem which is causing all these by-products.

It should not be necessary to hold the L1 button or the R2 button when passing the ball, just so that we can perform a 1st-touch pass or just so that we can conjure better animations for passing the ball; it could and should be done by simply directing the left analogue stick without the assistance of any button.
 

pick2510

Registered User
I have just put my beloved pro evo 5 on my 360 via the xsata and that is enough for me this is by far the best football game ever and will always be.
 

Sabatasso

Banned
Reasons:
- if you tap x to pass, the ball flies towards your player at 100mph (fake)

No, doesn't happen in my game (PC). Might be a console problem, and if it is, it serves you right for supporting the ever declining quality of games in general by buying and supporting console game industry. Games have never been shallower since the production of these abominations started. :p

- lack of advantage rule

I totally agree, but afaik FIFA does not have one either, at least not one that I have noticed working.

- considering the apparent '360 movement' it still feels like you can only go straight/diagonal

Amateur clearly have this one figured out, I personally have no problem with this and don't feel restricted. Although I miss some of the feints we used to have on the left stick in 2009 and 2010 because I used them a lot.

- players' first touches are absolutely terrible

That's you doing something wrong, use special controls button to receive a pass in a controlled manner.

The only positives I can take out of it are that the shooting is pretty good as is the crossing from freekicks.

I think there are many more positives, including those you mention but the game is not perfect in any way, just a several times better than what I expected.

Apart from that FIFA wins again, hands down!

I disagree, FIFA is, as usual, railroading. If you like to score all your goals the same way, FIFA is your game ofcourse, but it gets old really fast for me.
 

Sminky

Registered User
I struggle to think of one football sim that has responsive and decent dribbling, but this is clearly something that can be worked into PES using the right stick over the coming years. I think overall PES2011 is a huge improvement and very challenging. You have to accept though there are going to be limitations.
 
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