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Complete player editing

-The Trooper-

New Member
hey bag-man glad your back!

been playing with the newly updated shevckenko and he's damn good, i requested him ages ago (if you remember) so hope your happy to hear i think he was worth the wait.

any chance of doing his apperance - face mainly - as the konami one is pretty second grade.

as always, keep up the good work! Lampard vs Ballack should be good.

oh and hope you had a good time on your hols!
 

bagrunnell

Registered User
Hey fender, good to hear man. Your right, Andrei has been a long time coming, so I am glad he is out in the open now! I am just doing his appearance now actually, but there wont be a face as I now use the PC version and patch it. Dont worry though, I am trying to recruit people now to help out with the faces.
 

escobar94

Registered User
good job bagrunnell this really is a great thread, on what u said earlier about knowing standards and exaxt meaning of stats i think it s really down to each and everyones view....some people will look at your versions of these players and and totally agree some wont, we all have our own perceptions of certain players u know...but hey keep up the good work....if u get achance could u do mascherano and fernando torres???? cheers mate!!!
 

ShevaCheva

Registered User
bagrunnell said:
I know Andrei can do stepovers tricks. I have been watching him for many seasons just like you, otherwise I would not have been able to do these stats. I know he can do the tricks and stuff, thats why I gave him the values I did. Do you honestly consider 86 technique to be low? Do you really believe that 83 dribble accuracy is a low value? This is EXACTLY what I mean about wrong standards. Anybody else who is reading this, take note. You need to know exactly what the difference is between a value of 75 and 85, 65 and 75, 85 and 95. And what each of these values will dictate in game. Stat editing isnt just about recognising features of a player, thats probably the easiest part to it. The hardest part, and the part where many people go wrong is translating these features into the game. So you are very right in pointng out that Sheva has good tricks and things. But because you dont have proper understanding of exactly what each stat does, and more importantly what certain values of that stat dictate, you have given him too high. (Actually 90 for technique is only slightly over what I would accept. 88 would be my highest probably) This is true of many of your alterations. You have recognised that Sheva has decent passing. I have given him 72 for short pass accuracy, and this value is going to allow him to pass the ball around merrily and nicely just like he does in real life, but every so often he might misplace one, JUST like he does in real life. But as you have wrong standards, which is true of many people, you have given him short pass accuracy of 80, which is very wrong. With that value, he will be able to play defence splitting through balls all the time, put the ball around very accurately and sharply. Just like with a value of 80 shot accuracy you can put the ball in the corners nicely, place shots accurately. You say that his dribbling stats are low, but they are really very high! With a value of 83 for accuracy, he will be able to dribble round to a very high standard. Now for the acceleration issue. 94 is simply far too high, there is know two ways about it. Do you honestly believe he has faster acceleration that players like Robben or Messi. If you put Henry and Shevchenko together would you expect Andrei to accelerate as fast as Henry? Because if you have Shevchenko at 94 and Henry at 96 you would pretty much expect that. It is just far too high and completely unrealistic, im sorry. With a value of 81, he will still have great acceleration and that is what you dont see.

Like I said, you have recognised a lot of stuff about Andrei, even though you still have that slight overrating, which is understandable. But you have struggled to translate these features into the game as you have the wrong standards, which is what I am trying emphasis.

Well you have your views and I have mine. That's beauty of this game. I Still say dribbling at 85,passing accu at 80,Shot power at 90 plus,Tech definitely 90 sheva has an amazing first touch that most players only dream of and acceleration definitely at 90+ He is as fast messi,ronni and Henry who I might add is not that fast anymore.

Peace.
 

bagrunnell

Registered User
Ok right Sheva, it is true that everyone has their own opinion about values. It is always down to personal view whether a player should have 82 or 84 for a value, that will always be debatable. We stat editors use something called the range of judjement, so we accomodate for differences in opinion between values, but that is only about 1-3 points. So it is all well saying that you have that opinion and you are entitled to it. Of course that is true. There is just one thing I have to say. I have spent a long time doing stats now. Not only applying to players, but researching and understanding the mechanics involved with the values. Needless to say, that I have a large understanding (forgive the lack of modesty here) of what the stats do, but more importantly I know exactly what a value of 80 for short pass accuracy will dictate in the game. I know what kinds of things a value of 75 for a value will result in, and this is what I feel you dont grasp. There are standards, and you are not sticking to them. If you do every player how you have done Sheva, it would result in a very imbalanced and inaccurate database. If you give Sheva 94 for acceleration, what do you give Martins? You can only go as high as 99, so do you believe there is 6 points between Martins and Shevas acceleration.

The fact remains that you do not realise what the ingame consequences will be from giving Sheva 80 for short pass accuracy or 90+ technique. 86 for technique will give him a World class first touch, and enable him to do great tricks and many other features which are appropriate for Sheva. If you give Sheva 90+ technique, what o you give Ronnie then? You have to consider the balance between players, not just them on their own.
 

Sagdiyev

Country Captain
I think you are completly right. I don't know how this BOY can carry on and debate with you.

bagrunnell said:
If you give Sheva 94 for acceleration, what do you give Martins? You can only go as high as 99, so do you believe there is 6 points between Martins and Shevas acceleration.

It 5 points, not 6. :tongue:
 

notoriousBIG

Registered User
well said - this sheva man just dont understand where your coming from lol
All of your stats are accurate, ive updated every player you have posted and it has made my game alot better. I would rather use your judgement on stats than use my own as i have done no research on the players and what effect changing each individual stat does. there is no point in playin pro when every player is going to be "superman"
 

DASHAAI

Registered User
Hi Bags

I have been following your thread for about a month now and have added all your updates and they are great. I was wondering if you could write a stat editing guide for those of use who are new to editing.

Thanks
 

bagrunnell

Registered User
Right I am doing the Ballack Lampard comparison a bit differently. So here is the analysis with compilation links for your viewing pleasure, and I will post the stats in about half an hour once people have milled this over.


So here we have Frank Lampard and Michael Ballack. Along with Steven Gerrard and Juninho Pernambucano, I would say they are the two best AMF out there today. Lampard is the lynchpin of Chelsea, and it was so with Ballack when he was at Bayern Munich. But now Chelsea have captured the German skipper, they will be playing alongside each other in what could possibly develop into undoubtedly the strongest midfield in Europe. With Ballack able to play in varying positions across the midfield, it looks certain to turn into a combination of Lampard, Ballack and Essein which is a frightening combination. But will it work out? Lampard and Gerrard have struggled to play together at the heart of England's midfield, so how will Lampard and Ballack fair together?

Some of you may think hold on, Lampard has already been published? True, but I wanted to include him in this comparison for two reasons. Firstly, I have made a couple of tweaks to his stats here and there. And mainly because of his performance in the World Cup. Do not think that his performances at the world cup have brought about a change in his stats, as that is NOT true. Firstly I feel that I can highlight a certain lesson by republishing Lampard's stats after the World Cup. As we all know, he had a poor World Cup, not managing to score once and looking sluggish and uncomfortable. Now I have read many things across forums, and recieved many requests for an updated set of stats after his performances. The lesson that I want to try and teach is about one of the fundamentals of stat editing, and that is: A player always has his abilities. Just like a player doesnt get better moving to a better club, a player doesnt get worse after a few bad games. The amount of requests I had saying what were Lampards revised shooting stats. I even had one guy trying to persuade me that Lampard needs to have 68 for shot accuracy. The fact remains that Lampard is one of the best finishers there is, better in fact than many strikers. PLayers like Ballack, Lampard, Gerrard, Juninho are some of the best finishers, and like I said, better than many strikers. So the fact that Lampard couldnt hit the goal to save his life in the World cup, DOES NOT mean that he needs his shooting stats lowering. He still needs 87 for shot accuracy, because the fact remains is he is a finisher of the highest calibre. So from this we can also learn another valuable lesson: The only way to do truly accurate stats is to watch LOTS of footage. If a person was to do Lampards stats on his World Cup performances, then they would be way off. So to get the best results we have to watch LIVE footage, and lots of it!

Now I have that out the way I think we can get on to the actual comparison. Remember that we arent really trying to see who's better, but to see how they might fair in the same midfield, and to try and get an insight as to what might happen this season at Stamford Bridge.


Positioning and awareness - For me Lampard, has spacial awareness and positioning second to none. He always has his head up and is completely aware of other players positioning and he knows how to move and exploit the space. Ballack is also great at this, but for me Lampard is superb at it. His ability to position himself in places that make him accessible from all areas, both from defence and attack makes him the core of Chelsea's midfield, and his constant subtle movement always creates an option for other players to escape to. So with Ballack playing alongside him, I believe we will see several things. I have a feeling it might free up space for Frank, as Michael is a very Physical player who likes to draw players using his physique. I think its quite possible we might see teams trying to man mark him, and if Lampard can feed off this I think he could enjoy a bigger goals return than even last season! Teams are undoubtedly going to be aware of the shooting prowess of the two players, and so they will probably try ro keep tight on them. I think we will really see Lampards tremendous positional sense and the ability to work in a cramped midfield shine this season, and with Ballack alongside him I think they will both feed off each other, and use one others positioning to their advantage in regards to drawing out players. To sum this up I would say that they both have excellent positioning and awareness, but Lampard's ability to find space in the tightest of midfields and his subtle movements give him the very high value in response he has. Both players are great at making those late runs into the box at just the right time that we have come to associate with them, and are always pushing up with the attack. I would say that Lampard has got slightly more defensive over past couple of seasons, and has improved his defensive contribution as well.

Technical ability - Again, these two players excel in that they are both very technically sound midfielders. Both have excellent first touches and the ability to play the most difficult passes first time. What is particularly good about them is they have some of the best shooting techniques in regards to striking the ball and getting great connections. There is no difference in their technique levels, but Lampard's shot technique is that bit higher as he has terrific way of hitting the ball from all manner of awkward angles and positions. (Great example would be his second goal against West Brom last season). But you are always garaunteed a fantastic first touch from these two players, which aids them so well particularly in a congested midfield. Both can do high levels of shimmys, faints and dummys and their technical ability adds to their game immensely.

Shooting - One of the best areas of their game, and one which has allowed them both to become incredible goal scoring midfielders, Lampard having recently broke the record for goals in a season from a midfielder. So what makes them so potent. Firstly they have great accuracy. Like I said at the beginning they are two of the best finishers, better in fact than some strikers. Lampard slightly edges it again for shot accuracy, as he can put the ball with great accuracy in corners with ease and is just that little bit better. But Ballack reigns supreme in shot power, and he has one of the hardest shots out there today. His physical presence is represented in his shot, and he can strike a ball immensely hard. But probably the biggest factor in their shooting success is their shot technique which is for me the most important value regarding shooting. They can take the most awkward of chances with the best of connections. They can help the ball on with the deftest of flicks, hit that perfect shot as cleanly as anyone. Lampard particularly has the best shot technique of any midfielder save maybe Juninho, and Ballacks is not far off. Lampard has the scoring, 1-1 scoring, and middle shooting special stars. Ballack the same but without the 1-1 scoring. We can see they are two terrific shooters and are always a source of goals. But Ballack is blessed in that he has terrific heading ability as well, something which the other top midfielders havent seemed to grasp. It makes him an aerial threat as well, something which I think Chelsea could benefit from a lot this season, as they have lacked that aerial presence in midfield.

Athleticism - Neither of the two players are the fastest, although Ballack is slightly faster. Ballack is definitely the more physically built as well and strong like a bull. He also benefits from having a better leap aswell and I think Chelsea may have found a little something that can make their midfield more dominating than before. Neither of them particularly agile, but Lampard a bit more so. Not much to say here I am sure you both no the score here.

Team Work - This is the last thing I want to say. They are both great team players no doubt. But Ballack has that urge to sometimes just go and do stuff himself. He has that great passing we all love, and the movement and connection to other players that makes him so good. But he still has that urge to do his own thing sometimes and it is someting we dont really associate with Lampard. He has that ruthless efficiency that we have come to associate with him, and one of the highest team work ratings of any midfielder out there. He is always thinking in terms of the team, and his passing is made to look easier because he uses his ability as a team player to exploit the areas around his team mates. I think they will work well together at Chelsea in this sense, as sometimes Ballack will give them that little bit of grit and power that we sometimes see from Essien, but the extremely high level of Lampards team play will serve the midfield well when they come up against a stronger midfield and it becomes more about passing and movement.


Ballack video

Lampard Video

And now the stats:


Attack - 83
Defence - 67
Balance - 79
Stamina - 99
Top speed - 74
Acceleration - 75
Response - 90
Agility - 77
Dribble accuracy - 83
Dribble speed - 74
Short pass accuracy - 90
Short pass speed - 88
Long pass accuracy - 87
Long pass speed - 85
Shot accuracy - 87
Shot power - 87
Shot technique - 89
Free kick accuracy - 83
Curling - 83
Header - 73
Jump - 72
Technique - 86
Aggression - 86
Mentality - 88
Team work ability - 96
Consistency - 8
Condition - 8
Weak foot accuracy - 7
Weak foot frequency - 7

*Positioning, Reaction, Playmaking, Passing, 1-1 scoring, Scoring, Middle shooting, Centre, Penalties, 1-touch pass.



Attack - 85
Defence - 60
Balance - 90
Stamina - 87
Top speed - 76
Acceleration - 76
Response - 84
Agility - 75
Dribble accuracy - 84
Dribble speed - 76
Short pass accuracy - 86
Short pass speed - 88
Long pass accuracy - 85
Long pass speed - 85
Shot accuracy - 85
Shot power - 96
Shot technique - 86
Free kick accuracy - 80
Curling - 79
Header - 88
Jump - 84
Technique - 86
Aggression - 82
Mentality - 89
Team work ability - 87
Consistency - 7
Condition - 6
Weak foot accuracy - 7
Weak foot frequency - 7

*Tactical dribble, Reaction, Passing, Scoring, Middle shooting, Centre, Penalties, 1-touch pass.
 

tingdaman

Registered User
brilliant analysis. the frank lampard video was a good find, too. do you take into account the condition arrows when editing, bagrunnel?
cant wait for the stats now :)
 

-The Trooper-

New Member
great stuff, like the ballack video, those freekicks for bayern were awsome.

totally agree that chelsea are looking like the strongest team (in the premiership and maybe europe) this season, lets hope jose can find a formation where ballack and lamps can work together - much like gerrard and lampard did last night!

hope the stats are spot on as your analysis...
 

-The Trooper-

New Member
cool! love the apperances as well so if you could get em' up when you can find the help you need that'll be fantastic!

gonna put em' in my game now!

feedback soon...
 

bagrunnell

Registered User
I will get the boots and physiques up, but like I said I am trying to find someone to do faces because I am patching now, so I dont do build faces.
 

ShevaCheva

Registered User
bagrunnell said:
Ok right Sheva, it is true that everyone has their own opinion about values. It is always down to personal view whether a player should have 82 or 84 for a value, that will always be debatable. We stat editors use something called the range of judjement, so we accomodate for differences in opinion between values, but that is only about 1-3 points. So it is all well saying that you have that opinion and you are entitled to it. Of course that is true. There is just one thing I have to say. I have spent a long time doing stats now. Not only applying to players, but researching and understanding the mechanics involved with the values. Needless to say, that I have a large understanding (forgive the lack of modesty here) of what the stats do, but more importantly I know exactly what a value of 80 for short pass accuracy will dictate in the game. I know what kinds of things a value of 75 for a value will result in, and this is what I feel you dont grasp. There are standards, and you are not sticking to them. If you do every player how you have done Sheva, it would result in a very imbalanced and inaccurate database. If you give Sheva 94 for acceleration, what do you give Martins? You can only go as high as 99, so do you believe there is 6 points between Martins and Shevas acceleration.

The fact remains that you do not realise what the ingame consequences will be from giving Sheva 80 for short pass accuracy or 90+ technique. 86 for technique will give him a World class first touch, and enable him to do great tricks and many other features which are appropriate for Sheva. If you give Sheva 90+ technique, what o you give Ronnie then? You have to consider the balance between players, not just them on their own.

Martins is a fast dude and 94 to 99 is a big difference. RONALDINHO deserves anywhere from 95 to 99. Btw I read your Ballack and Lampard analyais I have to say your making both of them better than what they are in real life. :(
 

bagrunnell

Registered User
Ronaldinho about 93 acceleration but thats beside the point? Do you still no understand what I am saying about standards and how by putting them where you want them, you are playing with every player a super player lol.

What do you feel is wrong with Lampard and Ballack then?
 

ShevaCheva

Registered User
bagrunnell said:
Ronaldinho about 93 acceleration but thats beside the point? Do you still no understand what I am saying about standards and how by putting them where you want them, you are playing with every player a super player lol.

What do you feel is wrong with Lampard and Ballack then?


Ronaldinho tech about 95 to 99 not his acceleration. I totally understand standards. Lampard's case is that you made him way to good just like you made gerrard way to good. I mean gerrard is a fantastic player but giving him 87 for top speed is silly. You made gerrard and Lamp's into super players which they are not. I don't know much about ballack. So I won't say anything about him.

"*Positioning, Reaction, Playmaking, Passing, 1-1 scoring, Scoring, Middle shooting, Centre, Penalties, 1-touch pass."

Scoring, 1-1 scoring? Reaction? These starts some top forwards don't have in game. It's funny how your making lot's english player way to good. Your also baised.

Any way I love sheva and his 94 acceleration is righty so.

Take care,
 
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