Computer AI score mainly by feet, not by headers?

[optimistic]

Hello there (I am on PS3),

I just noticed that COM players mainly use feet to score most of their
goals, seldom scoring heading goals, thats so unrealistic.

COM strikers will normally recieve some kind of scripted unstoppable through ball passes and then take on your goalie in 1on1s, your defenders are just not close enough to do anything to stop it. COM CFs
score those goals by using feet of course, but what about heading goals, i just can not remember the last time i saw a COM CF scoring a
header, thats so absurd.

I scored most of my goals by using headers, because dribble down
along wings and cross the ball over to the middle in front of opposition
goal are very direct, easy and effective methods to score goals, that works well for me. I think COM should use similar strategy to score some
heading goals, otherwise PES is not a authentic soccer SIM at all.

Lets take a look at this year's Euro champions league Final(Barca vs Man united) in real football world, Barca 3: 1 Man united, 4 goals in
that game, none of them were resulted by using through ball passes.
The flooded and excessive through ball passes ruined and spoiled PES 2011, especially if you play against real peoples, through balls passes
are all over the place.

I watched a lot of Live soccer matches on TV, basically successful and
fruitful through ball passes occured just around 3-4 times in 90' min for
both teams, sometimes none for the entire game. But for PES 2011, way too many unrealistic through ball passes.

Konami has a lot of work to do to make PES a great soccer SIM.
I like PES 2011, but not through ball passes in the game.
I hope PES 2012 will be a better game for the world PES fan's sake.

Any thoughts and views will be appreciated, thanks in advance.

 

[abu97]

That is why the AI is so crap.
Actually, they allways score headers from me from corners only at top player but they do though unstopable through balls. but in open play, when a cross is delivered to them, they either attempt a flying header, miss it or hit it completely wide. The more corners you concede, the more likely you are to concede corners

 

[maraduzza]

erm its just a computer game fella
not supposed to be real life!!!!

 

[optimistic]

That is why the AI is so crap.
Actually, they allways score headers from me from corners only at top player but they do though unstopable through balls. but in open play, when a cross is delivered to them, they either attempt a flying header, miss it or hit it completely wide. The more corners you concede, the more likely you are to concede corners

what you said is true, i ve been playing this game on TOP PLAYER LV
since i bought it. Direct free kicks near your goal and corners from your
COM opposition will likely make you concede inevitable goals, that sucks
its just another 2 ways of AI scripting, especially when you 1 goal up,
shite will start to happen, you give away corners, COM scores, if a
direct free kick near you goal, bang..., COM scores, a bounce off , COM
scores, basically if AI has the ball and AI wants to score a goal, it will score even you have 10 defenders piled up in front of your goal to stop
an AI scripted mustbein goal, any effort will be in vain. Scripted through
passes are worst above all.

In open play, COM is very poor with heading goals, COM will not cross
the ball over to the front of goal, then AI CF can score smashing headers, not like what real people do in PES game, as you mention, they
miss headers or put it wide.

KONAMI should make some improvement in this aspect to make PES 2012 a solid good game, hopefully.

 

[optimistic]

That is why the AI is so crap.
Actually, they allways score headers from me from corners only at top player but they do though unstopable through balls. but in open play, when a cross is delivered to them, they either attempt a flying header, miss it or hit it completely wide. The more corners you concede, the more likely you are to concede corners

what you said is true, i ve been playing this game on TOP PLAYER LV
since i bought it. Direct free kicks near your goal and corners from your
COM opposition will likely make you concede inevitable goals, that sucks
its just another 2 ways of AI scripting, especially when you 1 goal up,
shite will start to happen, you give away corners, COM scores, if a
direct free kick near you goal, bang..., COM scores, a bounce off , COM
scores, basically if AI has the ball and AI wants to score a goal, it will score even you have 10 defenders piled up in front of your goal to stop
an AI scripted mustbein goal, any effort will be in vain. Scripted through
passes are worst above all.

In open play, COM is very poor with heading goals, COM will not cross
the ball over to the front of goal, then AI CF can score smashing headers, not like what real people do in PES game, as you mention, they
miss headers or put it wide.

KONAMI should make some improvement in this aspect to make PES 2012 a solid good game, hopefully

 

[optimistic]

erm its just a computer game fella
not supposed to be real life!!!!

True, PES 2011 is just one of my PS3 games, but I happen to play
it everyday as long as i have spare time, for now it is my favorite
PS3 game, i just want my favorite video game to be as perfect as
possible, even the game has a lot of flaws and defects, it is still
very enjoyble and entertainning.

All the best to PES 2012.

 

[zizou4ever]

One of the problems, I think, is that Konami wanted to emphasize the pass system in PES 2011. So they changed the gameplay to be more "pass-oriented". One clear example is the fact that fast players now cannot easily burst on the wings with speed because even a poor defender can catch him up. In my understanding this is to make us pass more instead of running on the wings and, of course, because AI is terrible so, it was a way to "defend" against fast players. Ridiculous.

And this pass oriented game is reflected on the AI as well.

Although I must say that two days ago COM scored a header from outside of the box against me. The game ended 1-1 with me with almost 70% of ball possession, around 15 shots on goal and I hit the post 2 times. The COM goal was its only attempt. :realmad: The guy who score that header outside the box? A John Doe with stats between 60-70...

 

[abu97]

Hello there (I am on PS3),


Actually in the real World cup 2010 South Africa, can anybody tell me
which goal is scored by using through ball passes like in PES 2011 game.
I just can not remember any through ball passes resulted goals in World
cup 2010. Long rangers and headers could been seen very often back then, but definitely not through ball passes.

Any thoughts and views will be appreciated, thanks in advance.

What? - there were lots of sneaky hrough balls in the world cup -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhkCeCIA0xo
This video shows the great assists of the wc 2010 and you will see some of them will be those dreaded thorugh balls like the robinho's one to elano, melo's one to robinho, dikgacoi to shabalala and there is much more

 

[Sminky]

Although this is a fairly daft thread It makes a valid point about through balls, they are an excessive indulgence.

I've been guilty of it myself, playing two or three through balls up the pitch from my own penalty area. I scored a goal when my centreback played a through ball from the edge of my own penalty area that was straight as an arrow and cut the opposition in two.

It probably didn't help his defenders ran away from the ball, but I suspect thats down to the attack style but then thats a game flaw, players running away from the ball :facepalm:

 

[abu97]

Yeah, and it counts for lofted thorugh balls - there to easy and are hardly incorrectly placed and once from a goal cick, vermaelen got the ball and did a lofted thorugh ball at full power and put chamakh thorugh on goal, vermaelen is a good player but his vision ain't hat good, no even xavi would have done that!

 

[Sminky]

Lofted through balls I can forgive as true to real life players can and often do misread the flight of a air borne pass.

 

[optimistic]

What? - there were lots of sneaky hrough balls in the world cup -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhkCeCIA0xo
This video shows the great assists of the wc 2010 and you will see some of them will be those dreaded thorugh balls like the robinho's one to elano, melo's one to robinho, dikgacoi to shabalala and there is much more

well, sorry, I get it wrong. Through passes were some ways of scoring
in world cup 2010. I will erase the section about no through ball passes
resulted goal in world cup 2010.

 

[optimistic]

Although this is a fairly daft thread

Hi, sminky

Could you tell me which part of my thread is foolish?
I will edit or erase it
thanks.

 

[optimistic]

One of the problems, I think, is that Konami wanted to emphasize the pass system in PES 2011. So they changed the gameplay to be more "pass-oriented". One clear example is the fact that fast players now cannot easily burst on the wings with speed because even a poor defender can catch him up. In my understanding this is to make us pass more instead of running on the wings and, of course, because AI is terrible so, it was a way to "defend" against fast players. Ridiculous.

And this pass oriented game is reflected on the AI as well.

Although I must say that two days ago COM scored a header from outside of the box against me. The game ended 1-1 with me with almost 70% of ball possession, around 15 shots on goal and I hit the post 2 times. The COM goal was its only attempt. :realmad: The guy who score that header outside the box? A John Doe with stats between 60-70...

very much spot on, you made a good point about "pass oriented game".
In pes 2010, fast wingers can outrun opposition defenders along the wing and cross over to the front of goal, in pes 2011, as you said, crappy players will catch up your fast wing runners. So I have a feeling that the game forces me to use a lot of passes including through ball passes to creat scoring chances, passing around is surely part of real soccer world gameplay, but the problem is KONAMI focus too much on
passes(especially through ball passes) usage in PES 2011, thery ignored
the balance of some wing play, some pass based play, set pieces play,
taking advange of opposition mistakes and other various ways of making
scoring chances.

The player's speed stats does not reflect their real speed in PES 2011. I mean an AI defender with speed stats around 70s
can catch up with kaka, thats not true. KONAMI needs to ajust and balance different(combined) gameplay styles: moderate wing play, moderate passes play, moderate scripting(just kidding), you know, balance things out, not too much for one field and neglecting another field completely.Passing and running at wings should co-exist along with
other play styles.

As for long range heading goals from COM by shitty AI player and you have 15 shots on goal none of them in the net, one AI attempt on goal will be a goal, all these happened to me as well, I think a lot of PES gamers have similar experieces too.

Hoping PES game gets better and better year after year.

 

[Sminky]

Hi, sminky

Could you tell me which part of my thread is foolish?
I will edit or erase it
thanks.

Daft doesn't mean foolish, it means a bit silly. You needn't edit ot erase anything in the thread. You are entitled to your opinion.

 

[abu97]

The player's speed stats does not reflect their real speed in PES 2011. I mean an AI defender with speed stats around 70s can catch up with kaka, thats not true.

actually, i have seen slow players catch up with kaka like chiellini so they don't need to adjust it alot

 

[optimistic]

Daft doesn't mean foolish, it means a bit silly. You needn't edit ot erase anything in the thread. You are entitled to your opinion.

oh, ok, I see.

 

[maraduzza]

on my ML the comp is always trying crosses into my penalty area!!!
had few headers past me like