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Demo gameplay First Impressions

shaun7

shaun7

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Amateur. I was talking about Human vs COMPUTER not when the AI interfeers in your match because that's unacceptable.

the human vs human experience would not be limited nor spoiled by the limitations of the computer.
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Yes, I never argued against this. I agree 100%.

MY POINT is that humans made this AI, so it's obvious we will be better than they are. Jeez feels like Terminator here.
But I was only referring to when humans play vs CPU. Not when the CPU limits us.

But enough of this.

After some more time with the demo I think that the close control is too close. It needs to be toned down and make the defenders tackle A BIT better. But only a BIT. Just to limit the amounts of runs that's all.

YES THIS DEMO HAS ISSUES I DO NOT LIKE. But there are issues which I truly like. The AI being that great? I still have to see, but it looks like it so far. The AI is pretty good compared to pes 11 that's for sure.

Maybe with the added response time and the much smarter AI (that won't run like mindless chickens. They can stop the ball and try to out dribble you) BAL will finally be GREAT. I hope so.
 
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MysteryMan

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shaun has some nice points, this 2012 demo obviously has some interesting things and looks promising, but there are alot of issues that absolutely need to be fixed or the game will be shit.

I will name them again

1.Goalkeepers are very bad and make horrible mistakes

2.Shooting is improved but still floaty sometimes and overall the ball travels too slow when shot ( +1 Speed is the most realistic in terms of ball speed but then the movement of players is way unrealistic and im not even talking about speed merchant people, movement of players is most realistic on -1 I feel )

3.Passing needs some improvements still, even when set on fully manual I feel its quite assisted

4.Close control as shaun said is way too good, Vidic running with R1 controling the ball like Messi when he runs almost

5.Speed of players is WEIRD, when holding R1 it seems like they dont run full speed they seem to fast jog, when tapping the push the ball forward but I dont notice much change in speed either and it seems the players dont accelerate at all, once they do a move and start running they run as they do without change of speed

6.Shot fake is pretty good but you can only do it in 3 directions, why not 8 at least?

7.Again regarding speed I just don't notice any difference between Nani or Ferdinand... it seems they all run at the same speed more or less, a difference from 90 to 80 top speed should be SUBSTANTIAL and NOTICABLE.

8.Speed merchant is even more unrealistic as last year now that they increased the pace of animations, its completely RIDICILOUS, try lavezzi even on 0 Speed and use R1 and change directions , he runs and changes direction 2 times as fast as messi does in real life if not more, its laughable really.

9.Im having a hard time understanding why KONAMI removed shot technique, acceleration and aggresion.
We were talking how KONAMI needs to add more new stats so that they can replicate players and how good they are, but they go on and remove 3 stats completely and add 1 lol what the hell, and acceleration is like one of the most important stats for say people like Messi to beat defenders.

10.Players feet go through the ball very often during animations and stuff like that but im sure it will be fixed in the final code.



These issues need to be fixed and addressed and then PES 2012 will be a pretty good game, much better than 2011.

Sure they could add ALOT of other things aswell but overall if they fix all of this it looks pretty good and much better than 2011.
 
Ali

Ali

It is happening again
MysteryMan said:
9.Im having a hard time understanding why KONAMI removed shot technique, acceleration and aggresion.
We were talking how KONAMI needs to add more new stats so that they can replicate players and how good they are, but they go on and remove 3 stats completely and add 1 lol what the hell, and acceleration is like one of the most important stats for say people like Messi to beat defenders.
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They removed acceleration? That's no good! Every football game you see now has an acceleration attribute. Shot technique is a hard one to notice.

What attribute have they added?
 
shaun7

shaun7

Registered User
I agree with most of the issues mystreyman wrote. Now that's good balance.

Most of the isseus come from the fact that the player's close control is a bit too good. It needs to be toned down.

I also agree about the pace. It does feel a bit weired. Yes, fast players need to be faster and slo players need to be slower. It needs more individuality in the speed department if it makes sense.

These 2 issues are a bit high in demand, so what can we do to make Konami listen to them?
I hope they do, because toning the close control, and making the speed more evident will solve 90% of the problems in this demo.

Not saying that this demo is bad, because for all it's negatives, I still enjoy playing it because you can create some really realistic goals. :)
 
PR3CiSiON

PR3CiSiON

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Ali_BWFC said:
They removed acceleration? That's no good! Every football game you see now has an acceleration attribute. Shot technique is a hard one to notice.

What attribute have they added?
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They have added a ball control attribute mate, decent attribute if you ask me. Could seperate a good player from an excellent one. :w00t
 
0-0-10

0-0-10

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Really good I think. You can have some very advanced play-style. If you liked 11 I cant see why you wouldnt like this. A step up imo.
 
IronCity

IronCity

Banned
Ali_BWFC said:
They removed acceleration? That's no good! Every football game you see now has an acceleration attribute. Shot technique is a hard one to notice.

What attribute have they added?
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What is even scarier is that mm mentions no accleration attributes and players don't seem to accelerate when running. That is some serious stuff.
 
bApTizE

bApTizE

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i'm confused! i have been told that you can set ball controls to manual instead of assisted, like passing, shooting all done manually but i can't find the settings for it in this demo! if you played FIFA11 then you would know what i'm talking about.

forgot to say i have the PC version.
 
milly_willy

milly_willy

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Loving it. I'm only playing the winning eleven demo as i am waiting for the the psn store to update, and as it's all in japanese i can't really figure out all the controls and stuff but that doesn't matter as the gameplay is amazing. If this is only a crap build then i cannot wait to see what the full game is like.
 
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MysteryMan

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sydney2008 said:
For those not finding sprinting with fast players satisfying try this way:

http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=64559

You just have to press R1+R2 when sprinting, to burst

( COPIED FROM KITANAMEDIA.COM )

ADVICE : USE 4:3 resolution screen , not 16:9 , for a better Gameplay and a fast pace .
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Honestly thats retarded since you can only do that when an opponent is in front of you, that means once you beat him ur down to the regular R1 run again, when someone beats a defender hes going to sprint full speed towards the goal, so thats quite stupid imo.

Better would be to add this burst thing to use whenever u want, but u can only use it for a short amount of time ( like in real life u cant run top speed for that long, then it needs time to regenerate again ).
 
bApTizE

bApTizE

Registered User
bApTizE said:
i'm confused! i have been told that you can set ball controls to manual instead of assisted, like passing, shooting all done manually but i can't find the settings for it in this demo! if you played FIFA11 then you would know what i'm talking about.

forgot to say i have the PC version.
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ok, found out were, it's in the controller settings but i don't know if setting pass *the only option in controller settings to adjust ball control* to none will have effect on shooting? this is a major issue to me because i play real soccer and wouldn't settle for CPU assisted passing, shooting, etc... oh, hope will change in the final version.
 
wesmouton

wesmouton

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I played the game now a couple of games on my ps3.

These are my first impressions

Played about 10 matches on top player. What strikes me immediately is the difficulty . The game is faster en more difficult. I love the graphics and the way of playing football. What i dont like is the long balls and crosses who stays in the air to long (they go to slow , more like the effect of a balloon). But i hope they can fix this in full version. The second thing i dont like are the keepers , my o my not good really not good. THe most pussy shot is dropped or tapped away by the keeper so plenty of work there konami. But for therest a great game much better then PES2011.

that was it ps sorry for my bad englhish you guys :)
 
Athlon_

Athlon_

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I'm downloading the demo now, I think I will play as many games as I can today and tomorrow on superstar if its available in the demo and tell everyone what I think. Hopefully I won't be disappointed.
 
wesmouton

wesmouton

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superstar is not available athlon and dont be disappointed because its not the official game yet. Its a kind of preview code for the fans to decide what could improve. Eat that ea sports fifa wankers
 
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