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FC Porto

Sweey

*RETIRED*
Porto have been a disgrace over the past two matches. It is bordering on criminal that Sporting have a four-point lead.

In real news, Boavista look doomed to me already.
 

rebelinho

Moderator
Porto have been a disgrace over the past two matches.
Make that two months. Since the defeat vs Chelsea (or even before) that we don't play shit. There was no training, the players looked lost and just 11 men running after a ball: no team. André André stared at the bench, shrugging his shoulders asking ""here do you want me to play? Tell me something!". Then, next match, he goes off to the stand. Imbula, Bueno, the same. No coherence whatsoever.

Then the mentality (not even getting to form). If we score a goal, the game ends at that moment. They would stop attacking (which was already poor) and maintain defensive possession. Complete lack of commitment when defending (off the ball pressure) in the more-than-expected scenario of conceeding after scoring. They won't attack, nor defend. Wanderers, roaming around aimlessly.

We can only get better.
 

Sweey

*RETIRED*
Make that two months. Since the defeat vs Chelsea (or even before) that we don't play shit. There was no training, the players looked lost and just 11 men running after a ball: no team. André André stared at the bench, shrugging his shoulders asking ""here do you want me to play? Tell me something!". Then, next match, he goes off to the stand. Imbula, Bueno, the same. No coherence whatsoever.

Then the mentality (not even getting to form). If we score a goal, the game ends at that moment. They would stop attacking (which was already poor) and maintain defensive possession. Complete lack of commitment when defending (off the ball pressure) in the more-than-expected scenario of conceeding after scoring. They won't attack, nor defend. Wanderers, roaming around aimlessly.

We can only get better.
Sounds like Milan on a good day :lol:
 

rebelinho

Moderator
While you're not a bad coach, you're definitely a bad manager. Wish you luck for your next adventure, but please, for all that's sacred, don't ever come back. You left us with Neves, gave us Oliver for a full season, and shitloads of money, but I can't go through this again.

¡Adiós!

 

rebelinho

Moderator
That's it, I'm done.

http://www.dn.pt/desporto/fc-porto/...era-o-novo-treinador-do-fc-porto-4986550.html


For you english folks that don't know him: imagine Moyes, mixed with Hodgson (worst half of each), and thrown in a bit (alright, a lot) of innability to control the dressing room. If this ends well I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong, but the chances that happens are slim to none.

Edit: I've probably been a bit too drastic with this. It was the initial shock.

This said, a more moderate analysis. He was quite good with Sporting, but had the same huge problem Lopetegui had: always fails in the decisive moments (got the nickname "pé frio", meaning somebody without luck and/or balls). He can build a very pleasant team (entertainment wise), definitely has quality, but it's not what he need. We must win something this season, and if the titles comes up to the last few games/derby he just isn't the man for the job. I hope I'm wrong, but he never showed any signs of having changed since 04/05 with Sporting. And in that same season he wasn't able to turn the situation around when it started declining. Also, his teams ususally are complete shit when defending, and while I really like a tight defence, we always had one as well, so this might be a risk (even more because our current squad is already rubbish).

On the other hand, he's portuguese and nows the league, so he won't have the full year of adaptation Lopetegui had. He's a manager to gear in immediately, so as far as that goes he's a good choice. But the downsides are too many to make this a valid "excuse". We'll see what happens
 

rebelinho

Moderator
About our last game (Sunday vs Marítimo). Not pretty, but got the three points and that's what matter for now. I'm liking Peseiro's approach to the press, stating that "We'll play better and provide better entertainment in the future, but for now we must get results over spectacle".

Same lineup as Lope, but there's a different approach to the attacking part of the game. I don't know, it felt more vertical and rushed, which is a great thing. Defensively problems still persist, and I don't expect them to change soon.

About the new signings...



I really like Marega (left). Powerful, fast, incisive, although not perfect for possession styles. But we need somebody to add speed and power in our front line. Similar to Hulk.

José Sá... I want to like him but he won't let me. Great, huge display in the U20 World Cup a few years ago, didn't maintain is form afterwards. Salin relegated him to the bench, and while that won't change in Porto, he'll have the chance to learn from Helton and Casillas. What's better than that?
 

rebelinho

Moderator
vs Estoril, 30/01/2016

- Estoril scores the first
- Aboubakar levels it
- Danilo heads it in, Layun grabs his 2nd assist
- Ridiculous miss from Aboubakar
- André André dissipates any doubts

Finally a good display. The best in months, and in a difficult ground (may as well be considered the portuguese Brittania). Vertical football, plenty of players in the 18-yard box, incisive counter attacks while remaining calm. First half was everything I wanted.

In the second 45 minutes there were two different stories. One in the first 20 when Estoril had the ball but never caused much trouble with it. We'd pressure steadily on the half-way line, and they'd pass it around unable to breach our defence. The final part was of complete control from us, more chances ensued, another goal went in, and 3 more points. Looking forward to the next match, theis could by a real turning point in the team.

As for the tactical approach. 4-4-2 with plenty of freedom for changes, but it truly was a 4-4-2 (noticeable between the 45-70 min marks). Defensively... oh boy. I have never centre backs as bad as these in Porto. We need better players, there isn't a way around it. Tactics won't solve this one.
 

rebelinho

Moderator
vs Gil Vicente, 03/02/2016

- BRLLIANT GOAL BY RÚBEN NEVES
- Suk scores his first goal for Porto
- Bruno da Silva sees a red card for this...
- ... and Sérgio Oliveira scores in the free kick. Perfect placement

Nice game, took us 20/25 mins to start carburetting (4-2-3-1, 2 and 3 were too far apart), but after Peseiro corrected the 2 positioning (Danilo and Neves) we pressured higher on the pitch, defensive and attacking cohesion was better, and Gil Vicente lost all hope.

Danilo is proving himself a fulcral part of the team, even better than Fernando a few years back (and I really liked Fernando). Neves is back on the good displays, Marega is not what we are used to (clearly lacks tactical awareness and runs with his head down), but we might get something from him. Suk should be given the place, Aboubakar has been mediocre for far too long now. Layún already has 16 assists (beware Özil!).

A final word about Helton, who still is a top class keeper and has attacking awareness like few others. Not a Neuer, but Casillas is a kid compared with the brazilian.
 

rebelinho

Moderator
Football is lost, that amount of money shouldn't be allowed, too bad not only it is but it has become usual as well.

Jackson "gave up" and went for the money. I still respect him for what he did for us, but he fell a long way on my consideration.

And I'm surely being laughed at around here for getting it completely wrong on his time at Madrid. Wouldn't change my ideas though, he is still incredibly good. And it was an incredible deal Atletico got, almost as good as ours for Imbula.
 

ArtisanWenger

Registered User
He was not succeeding at Atletico and the former strictly did not want him,this was the only way to make a profit for themselves when previously they had resigned themselves to 10m quid loss so they forced him out of the club,what was he to do?

Just like players force their way out,under the right circumstances players can be treated as pieces of meat by the clubs too...and Thank Fucking God we did not sign him.
 

Sweey

*RETIRED*
Bacca :evilsweey:

By us, or themselves? Probably both.

If I feel like it I'll post here something their president said. A master of humor that man.
Sporting show me occasional signs of breaking down but, worryingly, come through those phases and get results.

I'd expect Benfica to stand more chance than yourselves given the table at the moment.
 

rebelinho

Moderator
Giroud is better than Martinez, we need better than him.
Don't agree on the first, but the second part is clearly true, you do need better than Giroud and (current) Martinez.

Sporting show me occasional signs of breaking down but, worryingly, come through those phases and get results.
I don't know if you've been following the matches but the level of luck and favorable refereeing decisions they have, only in the last 5 mins of matches, is truly remarkable. It will have to run out sometime.

I'd expect Benfica to stand more chance than yourselves given the table at the moment.
They are playing like mad men currently, we are also improving but given current form only and not considering potential, Benfica as champions would be my bet.
 

Bish

Registered User
Well I'm not surprised you would disagree for what he did at Porto but I stand by it. I would expect Giroud to score a lot of goals in the Portuguese league too. He got his move to one of the big European leagues and he failed to deliver. Plus, there's a reason why Teó Gutiérrez has been preferred to Martinez for the Colombian national team.
 
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