forget pes3 get a 360
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Davinche
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Okay cadbury see you like nintendo :no: Its a shame you've fallen for the hype nonscence created by nintendo.
Because firstly nintendo dosent have the game we all love and play, and still won't with thier new console, which is PES. And secondly because third party support is so pathetic on nintendo's machine, its unbelivable. Not to mention when they do get it. Its shit. (red steel) If you dont like playing mario for the 100th time, getting a nintendo machine is pointless.
Is that really? What about online play, the abilty to listen to music while playing games, hd quality viwieng of films and games, multemida functions, advancements in physics, and most overall, one the section you try to undermine. Graphics, which improves the depth and realism of a game, for example im pretty sure no one would be scared while playing a game like resident evil, if it still had snes graphics. No one would be playing metal gear solid if it was still made for the snes, and no one would like to play PES, if it looked the same as ISS pro for the ps1.
Improved graphics? dont make me laugh! the graphics of the wii is that of a gamecube, and you cant deny it. Have wou seen wii sports? the game graphics are the same as Playstation 1 graphics. The console has shown not a SINGLE game that could not have been produed on my ps2, xbox and gamecube.
And why would I want to play games from 10- 20 years ago, there is a reason my snes is in my basement, and there is a reason why sega dont still make consoles, so some how, Virtual console is not some ingenious idea. Just like nintendo to re release the same game and recharge it to you, Super mario 64 ds wiii anyone?
Besides xbox live arcade already allows you to have those type of games, and new ones such as geomotry wars. No need to say that some how makes the wii any good.
Online play has been on xbox for how long? so why use that as an advantage, and once again, will I be able to play pes online on a wii, err NO. PS3 and 360 will DEFINTELY both have online and they will DEFINETLY be better, because im not gonna have to give a friend code to all my friends for EVERY game I play. Thats just retarded.
360 games are pricey because there is no next genration competition right now. Also use some sense, if developers make games wich are desinged for a 360 and ps3, They ant gonna put it on a wii, with its far less powerfull machine. and if they dont put it on the wii, why are they going to make a brand new game for one console. They wont, simple as. So what games are you gonna be playing?
If microsoft make a loss on a console, should i worry? thier worth BILLIONS, and atleast it means im getting a deal. When your buying a gamecube in a diffrent shell. Do you some how feel this buzz of joy, that nintendo are making money because your stupid?
Wii is gonna cost half of the other consoles and be half as good. Its going to be a GAMECUBE with a diffrent PAD. Its less powerfull so its games arent gonna be half as good as the other consoles.
Plus ps3/360 have the games that ARE good. You wont find Halo, grand turismo, forza motor sports, the REAL dragon quest, final fantasy 13, PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER, ninja gaiden, ghost recon series, metal gear solid 4, splinter cell, tekken, soul calibur, virtua fighter, vitua tennis, shemnue, assasins creed, lair, mass effect, gears of war, Elder scrolls series, half life, fear, resident evil 5, jak and daxter, call of duty, rathet and clank, ico series, GRAND THEFT AUTO 4, etc on a wii. (This was from the top of my head)
However on wii youll find: brain tuma: takeshis castle, mario 400: save the princess AGIAN, and mario sports franchise *Insert name here*, and another zelda game.
I just did. Now you try tell me a THIRD PARTY game thats worth buying on a wii.
I have one word for you: Gamecube. Thats why no one takes nintendo seriously, and no one should.
How the fuck can you be on a pes fansite and talk nonscence about the console's that have the one game this whole website is about? Its bares on the line of insanity.
If you dont like nintendo games, buying a nintendo console is stupid. I found out this the hard way with my n64 and, what is the worst console i have ever bought, the gamecube. I for one, will be hard pressed to make the same mistake 3 times.
Because firstly nintendo dosent have the game we all love and play, and still won't with thier new console, which is PES. And secondly because third party support is so pathetic on nintendo's machine, its unbelivable. Not to mention when they do get it. Its shit. (red steel) If you dont like playing mario for the 100th time, getting a nintendo machine is pointless.
Is that really? What about online play, the abilty to listen to music while playing games, hd quality viwieng of films and games, multemida functions, advancements in physics, and most overall, one the section you try to undermine. Graphics, which improves the depth and realism of a game, for example im pretty sure no one would be scared while playing a game like resident evil, if it still had snes graphics. No one would be playing metal gear solid if it was still made for the snes, and no one would like to play PES, if it looked the same as ISS pro for the ps1.
Improved graphics? dont make me laugh! the graphics of the wii is that of a gamecube, and you cant deny it. Have wou seen wii sports? the game graphics are the same as Playstation 1 graphics. The console has shown not a SINGLE game that could not have been produed on my ps2, xbox and gamecube.
And why would I want to play games from 10- 20 years ago, there is a reason my snes is in my basement, and there is a reason why sega dont still make consoles, so some how, Virtual console is not some ingenious idea. Just like nintendo to re release the same game and recharge it to you, Super mario 64 ds wiii anyone?
Besides xbox live arcade already allows you to have those type of games, and new ones such as geomotry wars. No need to say that some how makes the wii any good.
Online play has been on xbox for how long? so why use that as an advantage, and once again, will I be able to play pes online on a wii, err NO. PS3 and 360 will DEFINTELY both have online and they will DEFINETLY be better, because im not gonna have to give a friend code to all my friends for EVERY game I play. Thats just retarded.
This is why nintendo fans iritate me. Did nintendo create motion sensing controllers. NO. Is your controller, revolutionary, no. If you've forgotten, its a game that makes a GAME. not the f'ing controller. Nintendo are still making the same games we played on gamecube, yet this time with a controller which wont let you play other genres such as beat em ups, and football games. Once again, nintendo have alinated THIRD PARTY developers, because theyve used a controller which is so stupid. Sony cannot steal something that nintendo did not create. Motion sensing has been around for DECADES. Get real.
360 games are pricey because there is no next genration competition right now. Also use some sense, if developers make games wich are desinged for a 360 and ps3, They ant gonna put it on a wii, with its far less powerfull machine. and if they dont put it on the wii, why are they going to make a brand new game for one console. They wont, simple as. So what games are you gonna be playing?
If microsoft make a loss on a console, should i worry? thier worth BILLIONS, and atleast it means im getting a deal. When your buying a gamecube in a diffrent shell. Do you some how feel this buzz of joy, that nintendo are making money because your stupid?
Wii is gonna cost half of the other consoles and be half as good. Its going to be a GAMECUBE with a diffrent PAD. Its less powerfull so its games arent gonna be half as good as the other consoles.
Plus ps3/360 have the games that ARE good. You wont find Halo, grand turismo, forza motor sports, the REAL dragon quest, final fantasy 13, PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER, ninja gaiden, ghost recon series, metal gear solid 4, splinter cell, tekken, soul calibur, virtua fighter, vitua tennis, shemnue, assasins creed, lair, mass effect, gears of war, Elder scrolls series, half life, fear, resident evil 5, jak and daxter, call of duty, rathet and clank, ico series, GRAND THEFT AUTO 4, etc on a wii. (This was from the top of my head)
However on wii youll find: brain tuma: takeshis castle, mario 400: save the princess AGIAN, and mario sports franchise *Insert name here*, and another zelda game.
I just did. Now you try tell me a THIRD PARTY game thats worth buying on a wii.
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I have one word for you: Gamecube. Thats why no one takes nintendo seriously, and no one should.
How the fuck can you be on a pes fansite and talk nonscence about the console's that have the one game this whole website is about? Its bares on the line of insanity.
If you dont like nintendo games, buying a nintendo console is stupid. I found out this the hard way with my n64 and, what is the worst console i have ever bought, the gamecube. I for one, will be hard pressed to make the same mistake 3 times.
PES ADDICT 117
Registered User
Wow, you tore him apart, but i do have to agree with you. I don't see how he can say all the 360/PS3 offers is better graphics, as due to more power they can produce better gameplay, which in my opinion is far more important than graphics. The Wii costs half as much because it has half the power. The new Zelda game is exactly the same on Wii as it is on the Gamecube, but with different controls. Oh and the Wii has a stupid name. The only game i enjoyed on the Gamecube was Mario Kart: Double Dash. I win't buy a Wii or a PS3 because i am happy with the 360, I feel the Wii will just be shite and the PS3 is too expensive for a poor sole like me. I am also happy with the games coming out on the 360 e.g. HALO 3, Gears of War, PES6 and GTA4.
Great post and it's all true.
The 360 is quite shit now but with PREY out in july and Saints Row in September-ish(maybe earlier) things will pick up.
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/714/714669p1.html Vid of saints row, cant wait.
The 360 is quite shit now but with PREY out in july and Saints Row in September-ish(maybe earlier) things will pick up.
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/714/714669p1.html Vid of saints row, cant wait.
Harry-Kewell
Registered User
Davinche said:
Ha-ha! So true. That's such a silly criticism aimed at the 360 and PS3. Why should we give a shit when we are the ones that are benefiting?
jamez
Calcio Agriculturus
Lets face it, Nintendo makes consoles for kids, adults who think they are kids, and the Japanese. The games line-up has always been the same. Thats why i've never owned a Nintendo. Next-gen Nintnendogs, anyone? Come play it using my DVD player remote.
I hope Nintendo have alot of money cos the Wii could be the end of them.
I hope Nintendo have alot of money cos the Wii could be the end of them.
Barry
Registered User
For the price of a PS3 I'd rather buy the Wii and the 360(got one now). I'll probably eventually get one, if the price drops drastically. The PS3 has no games that severely interest me anymore, since GTA is coming to 360 at the same time as the PS3, the new Gran Turismo is exactly the same again, MGS doesn't interest me(except the first one) and the third party games..well I can get them on my Xbox.
Sony will sort it out though, I guess.
Sony will sort it out though, I guess.
Cadbury
Default Legend
To the dick head a few replies above, can't be bothered quoting it, it's not too big or anything, just full of shit. Try expanding your gaming beyond PES and racing games that are so realistic that they've become boring, not that I thought they were good in the first place.
Ever heard of E3? Yeah well it's this gaming event that happens every year and if you've bothered to read anything of what went on there this year, besides the Gran Turismo and Grand Theft Auto installments we see every year, you'd realise that what you posted was a load of shit. Try having a look on a site IGN.com or gamespot.com, not this or any other biased websites.
Also, almost every third party game you listed, I have no interest in. And most Nintendo titles... I do have an interest in, and Red Steel looks awesome and is still in production so I don't how you can judge it. And before you say anything like "Well you judged these games and they haven't been released", I haven't judged those games in particular, I can't in fact, I can judge all the prequels and pretty much expect the same thing though, except that little hexagon on Master Chief's gun will now be a circle due to improved graphics!
And one major thing I will point out, you said: "Is your controller, revolutionary, no."
Firstly, it's not MY controller it's Nintendo's. Secondly, it is revolutionary because, guaranteed, it will be on every console made after this generation, including the PS3 which I will make the point again, they have stole. And they have admitted they took the idea from Nintendo! Wahey! Also, there will be 2 controllers, the "Revolutionary" one, and a classic one which is exactly like the GameCube so we can all play those beat 'em ups you mentioned.
There are other things I could say, but I think I've made my point, don't you?
Ever heard of E3? Yeah well it's this gaming event that happens every year and if you've bothered to read anything of what went on there this year, besides the Gran Turismo and Grand Theft Auto installments we see every year, you'd realise that what you posted was a load of shit. Try having a look on a site IGN.com or gamespot.com, not this or any other biased websites.
Also, almost every third party game you listed, I have no interest in. And most Nintendo titles... I do have an interest in, and Red Steel looks awesome and is still in production so I don't how you can judge it. And before you say anything like "Well you judged these games and they haven't been released", I haven't judged those games in particular, I can't in fact, I can judge all the prequels and pretty much expect the same thing though, except that little hexagon on Master Chief's gun will now be a circle due to improved graphics!
And one major thing I will point out, you said: "Is your controller, revolutionary, no."
Firstly, it's not MY controller it's Nintendo's. Secondly, it is revolutionary because, guaranteed, it will be on every console made after this generation, including the PS3 which I will make the point again, they have stole. And they have admitted they took the idea from Nintendo! Wahey! Also, there will be 2 controllers, the "Revolutionary" one, and a classic one which is exactly like the GameCube so we can all play those beat 'em ups you mentioned.
There are other things I could say, but I think I've made my point, don't you?
Ok, we'll start with those who just made small mistakes, and then work our way up from there.
jamez - "Lets face it, Nintendo makes consoles for kids, adults who think they are kids, and the Japanese."
A nice, shrewd observation, and clever use of words to imply that Japanese are, in fact, all kids. So, since both Nintendo and Sony were founded in Japan, we know have children producing our consoles and games.
Of course, if that's not what you were implying, then you were actually saying that the Japanese are completely different to the rest of the world. But that would make you racist, wouldn't it?
"The games line-up has always been the same. Thats why i've never owned a Nintendo. Next-gen Nintnendogs, anyone? Come play it using my DVD player remote.
I hope Nintendo have alot of money cos the Wii could be the end of them."
Yeah, you're right, the line-up has never changed. Ever. Nothing new has been created by Nintendo, at all. IN LIFE.
And just in case you missed that, that was sarcasm.
And, you have no idea about Nintendo's finances, no idea about their marketing, no idea what it takes to run a company like Nintendo for more than 100 years, and more importantly, you're not psychic. So, your last comment is pretty invalid, really, isn't it?
Next.
Harry-Kewell - "Ha-ha! So true. That's such a silly criticism aimed at the 360 and PS3. Why should we give a shit when we are the ones that are benefiting?"
I know this will probably be hard to understand for you, but i'm going to try anyway.
If a company is losing money on something that it is selling, that is not a good business plan. The fact that it can afford to do it, over such an extended period of time, devalues the meaning of a successful game and console. If you can pump unlimited amounts of funds into something so that it sells, despite it perhaps not being worth the actual price it costs to produce, does that make it successful?
Of course, the answer to people like you seems to be yes. Which is why you probably can't understand. Of course, you don't need to give a shit if you're "benefiting" from it. But some of us give a shit about gaming in general, and so your "not giving a shit" isn't a counter argument.
Dan19 - "Great post and it's all true."
Thanks for stating opinion like it's fact. And i'll thank you in advance for trying to actually contribute something next time you click on "Post Reply." Thanks.
PES ADDICT 117 - "Wow, you tore him apart, but i do have to agree with you. I don't see how he can say all the 360/PS3 offers is better graphics, as due to more power they can produce better gameplay, which in my opinion is far more important than graphics. The Wii costs half as much because it has half the power. The new Zelda game is exactly the same on Wii as it is on the Gamecube, but with different controls. Oh and the Wii has a stupid name. The only game i enjoyed on the Gamecube was Mario Kart: Double Dash. I win't buy a Wii or a PS3 because i am happy with the 360, I feel the Wii will just be shite and the PS3 is too expensive for a poor sole like me. I am also happy with the games coming out on the 360 e.g. HALO 3, Gears of War, PES6 and GTA4."
Wow, this is a pretty big pile of shit. But i'll make an attempt to help you out, beause i'm nice like that.
He tore him apart? How so? By posting a huge essay full of shit? As i'm demonstrating now, it's easy enough to make a huge post. It's a lot harder to make a huge post that actually has valid, well-thought out points. Don't worry, i'm not expecting the majority of you to understand such a concept, but you should understand nonetheless that "big post" =/= "win."
Now. The next point. Better power can produce better gameplay? Would you mind running this by me again, with some logic to back up your statement? How is gameplay linked to power? Power is linked to aesthetics, speed, overall flow, and things like that. Gameplay is linked to concepts, stories, controls, and things like that. Can you understand that?
By stating that the new Zelda game is the same on the Wii as it is on the Cube, besides controls, you're proving your own lack of knowledge. Do you want me to go and find a source to prove that you're wrong, or can you just accept that you are? It'll be easier for both of us if you just accept it.
"Wii is a stupid name." Opinion, again, but fair enough. XBox. It's... A box. And it has an X before the Box. So it's hardcore. No, it's not, it's just as stupid as Wii. It's a name. If anyone bases their console choice on a name, then why even bother calling yourself a gamer?
I don't think anything else in your post is relevant.
And finally, it's Davinche. This is probably going to take a while, so I don't expect you to read it all, as i've already concluded that you're probably less intelligent than me. It's alright, i'll forgive you for it, as long as you don't post anymore useless shit.
"Okay cadbury see you like nintendo Its a shame you've fallen for the hype nonscence created by nintendo."
I decided to take the time to give you an English lesson.
First of all, can you see Cadbury's name? Yes, you can now, and can you see that letter at the start of it? Yeah, that's a capital letter, they usually come up at the start of names for things.
Secondly, you need the letter "I" in your sentence, too, otherwise it just doesn't make sense. A comma would come in handy, too. Oh, and "Nintendo" is also a name that needs to have a capital letter at the start.
Next, "Its." Well, i'm glad you remember your capital letter this time, but i'm afraid you forgot about our little friend apostrophe. You see, when you used the word "Its" in that context, you were actually combining two words, those being "it" and "is." When we combine words in this way, an apostrophe is used to mark omissions, in this case, the letter "i."
Finally, a simple spelling mistake. Understandable when dealing with those of lower intelligence, but either way, I need to help you learn. "Nonscence" is actually spelt "nonsense." Oh, and again, it's "Nintendo."
Now that we've had the lesson, let's see what the whole thing should have looked like:
Okay Cadbury, I see you like Nintendo. It's a shame you've fallen for the hype nonsense created by Nintendo.
Isn't that just so much better? Of course, your entire post is filled with an obvious lack of skills in English, and it would be tedious for both of us if I were to point out all of them. I'm sure i've got my point over, though. And i'm sure you'll be dying to find some mistakes in my post, but i'm also sure that any such mistakes are slips of the hand. That is, typos. And i'm sure you can understand that a typo is completely different to an actual lack of understanding.
"Because firstly nintendo dosent have the game we all love and play, and still won't with thier new console, which is PES. And secondly because third party support is so pathetic on nintendo's machine, its unbelivable. Not to mention when they do get it. Its shit. (red steel) If you dont like playing mario for the 100th time, getting a nintendo machine is pointless."
Nintendo actually DOES have PES, in the form of PES: DS. Please know what you're talking about before you type something.
Do you have any idea what a Dev. kit is? And if you do, do you have any idea how much a Dev. kit costs for the Wii in comparison to the PS3 or XBox 360 Dev. Kit? I'm sure you don't, because if you did, you wouldn't have made the comment about Nintendo having pathetic 3rd part support.
As for Red Steel being shit, do you actually consider yourself a gamer? I can't understand how anyone could say that Red Steel is shit, without ever actually playing it, and knowing the things we know about it at the moment. Guns, swords, and all controlled by a motion sensor controller. Let me knw when you come to your senses.
I don't really fancy playing Mario on the Wii, either, but i'm still buying a Wii. So... Does that mean i'm pointlessly giving away my money? Oh... That's right, no, it doesn't, this is just one of the many comments you have made that, while on the surface seem like good points to make, actually have no validity whatsoever. Well done.
"Is that really? What about online play, the abilty to listen to music while playing games, hd quality viwieng of films and games, multemida functions, advancements in physics, and most overall, one the section you try to undermine. Graphics, which improves the depth and realism of a game, for example im pretty sure no one would be scared while playing a game like resident evil, if it still had snes graphics. No one would be playing metal gear solid if it was still made for the snes, and no one would like to play PES, if it looked the same as ISS pro for the ps1."
So, first of all "Is that really?" doesn't actually make any sense at all. Online play was avaliable before the PS3 and 360. The ability to listen to music was avaliable before the PS3 and 360. HD quality viewing of films was avaliable before the PS3 and 360. Multimedia functions (whichever ones you're talking about), were all avaliable before the PS3 and 360. Advancements in physics? Make sense on this point, then i'll address it. As for the graphics, which was Cadbury's original point, yes, this is the only thing that is on offer that is new. Do you want to try to argue that all of those things that you stated are new? Because if you do, be my guest, and we'll see which one of us looks like a idiot.
You're right about your examples on Resident Evil, MGS and PES, yes. But how is it relevant? As far as I am aware, none of the 6th, nor the 7th generation consoles use "SNES" graphics, do they? So, what's your point?
"Improved graphics? dont make me laugh! the graphics of the wii is that of a gamecube, and you cant deny it. Have wou seen wii sports? the game graphics are the same as Playstation 1 graphics. The console has shown not a SINGLE game that could not have been produed on my ps2, xbox and gamecube."
I think you'll find that we can very easily deny that the graphics of the Wii are different to those of the GameCube.
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vids_1.html
Conveniently, that trailer happens to illustrate the graphical change of Super Smash Brothers on the Wii, compared to it's GameCube counterpart.
You then go on to say that there is not a single game that could not have been produced on your PS2, XBox and Gamecube. So, how would you manage to play games that rely on motion sensing controls on any of these platforms? Again, think. I know it might hurt, but it'll stop you from looking like an idiot.
"And why would I want to play games from 10- 20 years ago, there is a reason my snes is in my basement, and there is a reason why sega dont still make consoles, so some how, Virtual console is not some ingenious idea. Just like nintendo to re release the same game and recharge it to you, Super mario 64 ds wiii anyone?
Besides xbox live arcade already allows you to have those type of games, and new ones such as geomotry wars. No need to say that some how makes the wii any good."
Perhaps you don't like the idea of the Virtual Console, but a lot of people do. And Nintendo are still including it on their Wii. So, you tell me, who has a better idea of what is a good move with regards to their console - Nintendo, or you?
"Online play has been on xbox for how long? so why use that as an advantage, and once again, will I be able to play pes online on a wii, err NO. PS3 and 360 will DEFINTELY both have online and they will DEFINETLY be better, because im not gonna have to give a friend code to all my friends for EVERY game I play. Thats just retarded."
At this point, i'd like to bring you back to something else you said earlier. With regards to "offering something new," you said:
"What about online play." So, you tell me, how long HAS XBox had online play? Try to tell me this while avoiding the inevitable contradiction that you've just dropped yourself into.
It's also nice that you can tel us all what "DEFINATELY" will happen. Again, it seems there are some people who think they're psychic on this forum. Unfortunately, though, you're not.
"This is why nintendo fans iritate me. Did nintendo create motion sensing controllers. NO. Is your controller, revolutionary, no. If you've forgotten, its a game that makes a GAME. not the f'ing controller. Nintendo are still making the same games we played on gamecube, yet this time with a controller which wont let you play other genres such as beat em ups, and football games. Once again, nintendo have alinated THIRD PARTY developers, because theyve used a controller which is so stupid. Sony cannot steal something that nintendo did not create. Motion sensing has been around for DECADES. Get real."
I could think of quite a lot of reasons why Sony or Microsoft or whatever fan you are, irritate me, but i'll just stick with one. You.
As for your comment, i've looked around, i've heard a lot of people saying a lot of things, but even i'm not sure how much of Sony's motion sensing controller was an orginal idea, and so i'm pretty sure you don't have a better idea than I do. Neither of us know what's going on in the gaming world completely, so we shouldn't pretend to. What we both know for sure is that Nintendo announced the release of their controller before Sony, and that their console is a lot more heavily involved with using this controller. In my opinion, this means that Nintendo will have more success with using their controller to the full.
As for it being "a game that makes a GAME," that seems like a fairly obvious statement to make. But if you're saying that using a controller like the one on the Wii is not going to change gameplay, then I think you're the one who needs to get real.
Another nice statement, that Nintendo have alienated 3rd party developers. Would that be including Ubisoft? Whats that? Another bullshit point with no validity? It couldn't be.
And maybe Sony cannot steal something Nintendo did not create. But they did just fine with the D-pad, didn't they?
My God, this is getting boring.
"360 games are pricey because there is no next genration competition right now. Also use some sense, if developers make games wich are desinged for a 360 and ps3, They ant gonna put it on a wii, with its far less powerfull machine. and if they dont put it on the wii, why are they going to make a brand new game for one console. They wont, simple as. So what games are you gonna be playing?
If microsoft make a loss on a console, should i worry? thier worth BILLIONS, and atleast it means im getting a deal. When your buying a gamecube in a diffrent shell. Do you some how feel this buzz of joy, that nintendo are making money because your stupid?
Wii is gonna cost half of the other consoles and be half as good. Its going to be a GAMECUBE with a diffrent PAD. Its less powerfull so its games arent gonna be half as good as the other consoles."
I'll use one example. Resident Evil 5. Beng produced for the 360 the the PS3. Not going to be on the Wii, because, as you said, it is a less powerful machine.
"why are they going to make a brand new game for one console. They wont, simple as."
Except... You're wrong. Oh dear. Because an exclusive Resident Evil game is being developed for the Wii. Bit of a kick in the teeth that, wasn't it?
I think the buzz of joy we feel comes from the fun we have playing Nintendo games. If you want to call that stupid, that's fine, but then you're saying that anyone who ever enjoys a video game is stupid. Well done.
"It's less powerful, so the games won't be as good." Yeah... Except that, power doesn't mean gameplay, as I stated earlier in this post. and again, you seem to be doing that... Seeing into the future thing. Maybe you need to see a psychiatrist?
"Plus ps3/360 have the games that ARE good. You wont find Halo, grand turismo, forza motor sports, the REAL dragon quest, final fantasy 13, PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER, ninja gaiden, ghost recon series, metal gear solid 4, splinter cell, tekken, soul calibur, virtua fighter, vitua tennis, shemnue, assasins creed, lair, mass effect, gears of war, Elder scrolls series, half life, fear, resident evil 5, jak and daxter, call of duty, rathet and clank, ico series, GRAND THEFT AUTO 4, etc on a wii. (This was from the top of my head)"
Wow.
Halo - You're right, won't be on the Wii. Won't be on the PS3, either.
The REAL Dragon Quest? - Yeah... Right... What? Are you an idiot?
Final Fantasy 13 - Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles is, though.
Resident Evil 5 - No, but again, an Exclusive Wii game will be.
Call of Duty 3 is a launch title for the Wii. Stop being an idiot.
A lot of those games are also avaliable on the PC, and i'm sure certain ones will become avaliable for the Wii in some form or another. Despite all of this, there are loads of games on the Wii that won't be on either the 360 or the PS3. Wii has much more exclusivity than the other 2 consoles.
"However on wii youll find: brain tuma: takeshis castle, mario 400: save the princess AGIAN, and mario sports franchise *Insert name here*, and another zelda game."
Was that off the top of your head too? Probably, because, as we've established, you're an idiot. Well done.
"I just did. Now you try tell me a THIRD PARTY game thats worth buying on a wii."
Red Steel. See earlier for why you're an idiot before you try to argue this point.
"I have one word for you: Gamecube. Thats why no one takes nintendo seriously, and no one should.
How the fuck can you be on a pes fansite and talk nonscence about the console's that have the one game this whole website is about? Its bares on the line of insanity."
No one takes Nintendo seriously? Do I sense another comment that is 90% bullshit? I think I do. If no one took them seriously, then why are they still around? Why was their E3 presentation the most successful? Why would I even be bothering to argue with you?
I think he can be on this site and talk the way he does about these consoles because, perhaps, just maybe, it's possible to imagine that he plays PES on his PC? Or maybe he realises that a console having one game that you like DOES NOT make that console ultimate. I know this might be difficult... But maybe he's just smarter than you?
"If you dont like nintendo games, buying a nintendo console is stupid."
Thanks for that one, Captain Obvious.
"I found out this the hard way with my n64 and, what is the worst console i have ever bought, the gamecube. I for one, will be hard pressed to make the same mistake 3 times."
You don't have any intention of buying a Wii, so don't make as though it's still a decision you have to make.
Now that that's finally over, i'll sit and wait for you to reply with a typical response, probably something that you think makes you seem pretty hardcore withot actually addressing anything i've wrote, because you realise that I just "tore you apart." Of course, you're free to just say nothing, and accept defeat, which would be the honourable thing to do.
jamez - "Lets face it, Nintendo makes consoles for kids, adults who think they are kids, and the Japanese."
A nice, shrewd observation, and clever use of words to imply that Japanese are, in fact, all kids. So, since both Nintendo and Sony were founded in Japan, we know have children producing our consoles and games.
Of course, if that's not what you were implying, then you were actually saying that the Japanese are completely different to the rest of the world. But that would make you racist, wouldn't it?
"The games line-up has always been the same. Thats why i've never owned a Nintendo. Next-gen Nintnendogs, anyone? Come play it using my DVD player remote.
I hope Nintendo have alot of money cos the Wii could be the end of them."
Yeah, you're right, the line-up has never changed. Ever. Nothing new has been created by Nintendo, at all. IN LIFE.
And just in case you missed that, that was sarcasm.
And, you have no idea about Nintendo's finances, no idea about their marketing, no idea what it takes to run a company like Nintendo for more than 100 years, and more importantly, you're not psychic. So, your last comment is pretty invalid, really, isn't it?
Next.
Harry-Kewell - "Ha-ha! So true. That's such a silly criticism aimed at the 360 and PS3. Why should we give a shit when we are the ones that are benefiting?"
I know this will probably be hard to understand for you, but i'm going to try anyway.
If a company is losing money on something that it is selling, that is not a good business plan. The fact that it can afford to do it, over such an extended period of time, devalues the meaning of a successful game and console. If you can pump unlimited amounts of funds into something so that it sells, despite it perhaps not being worth the actual price it costs to produce, does that make it successful?
Of course, the answer to people like you seems to be yes. Which is why you probably can't understand. Of course, you don't need to give a shit if you're "benefiting" from it. But some of us give a shit about gaming in general, and so your "not giving a shit" isn't a counter argument.
Dan19 - "Great post and it's all true."
Thanks for stating opinion like it's fact. And i'll thank you in advance for trying to actually contribute something next time you click on "Post Reply." Thanks.
PES ADDICT 117 - "Wow, you tore him apart, but i do have to agree with you. I don't see how he can say all the 360/PS3 offers is better graphics, as due to more power they can produce better gameplay, which in my opinion is far more important than graphics. The Wii costs half as much because it has half the power. The new Zelda game is exactly the same on Wii as it is on the Gamecube, but with different controls. Oh and the Wii has a stupid name. The only game i enjoyed on the Gamecube was Mario Kart: Double Dash. I win't buy a Wii or a PS3 because i am happy with the 360, I feel the Wii will just be shite and the PS3 is too expensive for a poor sole like me. I am also happy with the games coming out on the 360 e.g. HALO 3, Gears of War, PES6 and GTA4."
Wow, this is a pretty big pile of shit. But i'll make an attempt to help you out, beause i'm nice like that.
He tore him apart? How so? By posting a huge essay full of shit? As i'm demonstrating now, it's easy enough to make a huge post. It's a lot harder to make a huge post that actually has valid, well-thought out points. Don't worry, i'm not expecting the majority of you to understand such a concept, but you should understand nonetheless that "big post" =/= "win."
Now. The next point. Better power can produce better gameplay? Would you mind running this by me again, with some logic to back up your statement? How is gameplay linked to power? Power is linked to aesthetics, speed, overall flow, and things like that. Gameplay is linked to concepts, stories, controls, and things like that. Can you understand that?
By stating that the new Zelda game is the same on the Wii as it is on the Cube, besides controls, you're proving your own lack of knowledge. Do you want me to go and find a source to prove that you're wrong, or can you just accept that you are? It'll be easier for both of us if you just accept it.
"Wii is a stupid name." Opinion, again, but fair enough. XBox. It's... A box. And it has an X before the Box. So it's hardcore. No, it's not, it's just as stupid as Wii. It's a name. If anyone bases their console choice on a name, then why even bother calling yourself a gamer?
I don't think anything else in your post is relevant.
And finally, it's Davinche. This is probably going to take a while, so I don't expect you to read it all, as i've already concluded that you're probably less intelligent than me. It's alright, i'll forgive you for it, as long as you don't post anymore useless shit.
"Okay cadbury see you like nintendo Its a shame you've fallen for the hype nonscence created by nintendo."
I decided to take the time to give you an English lesson.
First of all, can you see Cadbury's name? Yes, you can now, and can you see that letter at the start of it? Yeah, that's a capital letter, they usually come up at the start of names for things.
Secondly, you need the letter "I" in your sentence, too, otherwise it just doesn't make sense. A comma would come in handy, too. Oh, and "Nintendo" is also a name that needs to have a capital letter at the start.
Next, "Its." Well, i'm glad you remember your capital letter this time, but i'm afraid you forgot about our little friend apostrophe. You see, when you used the word "Its" in that context, you were actually combining two words, those being "it" and "is." When we combine words in this way, an apostrophe is used to mark omissions, in this case, the letter "i."
Finally, a simple spelling mistake. Understandable when dealing with those of lower intelligence, but either way, I need to help you learn. "Nonscence" is actually spelt "nonsense." Oh, and again, it's "Nintendo."
Now that we've had the lesson, let's see what the whole thing should have looked like:
Okay Cadbury, I see you like Nintendo. It's a shame you've fallen for the hype nonsense created by Nintendo.
Isn't that just so much better? Of course, your entire post is filled with an obvious lack of skills in English, and it would be tedious for both of us if I were to point out all of them. I'm sure i've got my point over, though. And i'm sure you'll be dying to find some mistakes in my post, but i'm also sure that any such mistakes are slips of the hand. That is, typos. And i'm sure you can understand that a typo is completely different to an actual lack of understanding.
"Because firstly nintendo dosent have the game we all love and play, and still won't with thier new console, which is PES. And secondly because third party support is so pathetic on nintendo's machine, its unbelivable. Not to mention when they do get it. Its shit. (red steel) If you dont like playing mario for the 100th time, getting a nintendo machine is pointless."
Nintendo actually DOES have PES, in the form of PES: DS. Please know what you're talking about before you type something.
Do you have any idea what a Dev. kit is? And if you do, do you have any idea how much a Dev. kit costs for the Wii in comparison to the PS3 or XBox 360 Dev. Kit? I'm sure you don't, because if you did, you wouldn't have made the comment about Nintendo having pathetic 3rd part support.
As for Red Steel being shit, do you actually consider yourself a gamer? I can't understand how anyone could say that Red Steel is shit, without ever actually playing it, and knowing the things we know about it at the moment. Guns, swords, and all controlled by a motion sensor controller. Let me knw when you come to your senses.
I don't really fancy playing Mario on the Wii, either, but i'm still buying a Wii. So... Does that mean i'm pointlessly giving away my money? Oh... That's right, no, it doesn't, this is just one of the many comments you have made that, while on the surface seem like good points to make, actually have no validity whatsoever. Well done.
"Is that really? What about online play, the abilty to listen to music while playing games, hd quality viwieng of films and games, multemida functions, advancements in physics, and most overall, one the section you try to undermine. Graphics, which improves the depth and realism of a game, for example im pretty sure no one would be scared while playing a game like resident evil, if it still had snes graphics. No one would be playing metal gear solid if it was still made for the snes, and no one would like to play PES, if it looked the same as ISS pro for the ps1."
So, first of all "Is that really?" doesn't actually make any sense at all. Online play was avaliable before the PS3 and 360. The ability to listen to music was avaliable before the PS3 and 360. HD quality viewing of films was avaliable before the PS3 and 360. Multimedia functions (whichever ones you're talking about), were all avaliable before the PS3 and 360. Advancements in physics? Make sense on this point, then i'll address it. As for the graphics, which was Cadbury's original point, yes, this is the only thing that is on offer that is new. Do you want to try to argue that all of those things that you stated are new? Because if you do, be my guest, and we'll see which one of us looks like a idiot.
You're right about your examples on Resident Evil, MGS and PES, yes. But how is it relevant? As far as I am aware, none of the 6th, nor the 7th generation consoles use "SNES" graphics, do they? So, what's your point?
"Improved graphics? dont make me laugh! the graphics of the wii is that of a gamecube, and you cant deny it. Have wou seen wii sports? the game graphics are the same as Playstation 1 graphics. The console has shown not a SINGLE game that could not have been produed on my ps2, xbox and gamecube."
I think you'll find that we can very easily deny that the graphics of the Wii are different to those of the GameCube.
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vids_1.html
Conveniently, that trailer happens to illustrate the graphical change of Super Smash Brothers on the Wii, compared to it's GameCube counterpart.
You then go on to say that there is not a single game that could not have been produced on your PS2, XBox and Gamecube. So, how would you manage to play games that rely on motion sensing controls on any of these platforms? Again, think. I know it might hurt, but it'll stop you from looking like an idiot.
"And why would I want to play games from 10- 20 years ago, there is a reason my snes is in my basement, and there is a reason why sega dont still make consoles, so some how, Virtual console is not some ingenious idea. Just like nintendo to re release the same game and recharge it to you, Super mario 64 ds wiii anyone?
Besides xbox live arcade already allows you to have those type of games, and new ones such as geomotry wars. No need to say that some how makes the wii any good."
Perhaps you don't like the idea of the Virtual Console, but a lot of people do. And Nintendo are still including it on their Wii. So, you tell me, who has a better idea of what is a good move with regards to their console - Nintendo, or you?
"Online play has been on xbox for how long? so why use that as an advantage, and once again, will I be able to play pes online on a wii, err NO. PS3 and 360 will DEFINTELY both have online and they will DEFINETLY be better, because im not gonna have to give a friend code to all my friends for EVERY game I play. Thats just retarded."
At this point, i'd like to bring you back to something else you said earlier. With regards to "offering something new," you said:
"What about online play." So, you tell me, how long HAS XBox had online play? Try to tell me this while avoiding the inevitable contradiction that you've just dropped yourself into.
It's also nice that you can tel us all what "DEFINATELY" will happen. Again, it seems there are some people who think they're psychic on this forum. Unfortunately, though, you're not.
"This is why nintendo fans iritate me. Did nintendo create motion sensing controllers. NO. Is your controller, revolutionary, no. If you've forgotten, its a game that makes a GAME. not the f'ing controller. Nintendo are still making the same games we played on gamecube, yet this time with a controller which wont let you play other genres such as beat em ups, and football games. Once again, nintendo have alinated THIRD PARTY developers, because theyve used a controller which is so stupid. Sony cannot steal something that nintendo did not create. Motion sensing has been around for DECADES. Get real."
I could think of quite a lot of reasons why Sony or Microsoft or whatever fan you are, irritate me, but i'll just stick with one. You.
As for your comment, i've looked around, i've heard a lot of people saying a lot of things, but even i'm not sure how much of Sony's motion sensing controller was an orginal idea, and so i'm pretty sure you don't have a better idea than I do. Neither of us know what's going on in the gaming world completely, so we shouldn't pretend to. What we both know for sure is that Nintendo announced the release of their controller before Sony, and that their console is a lot more heavily involved with using this controller. In my opinion, this means that Nintendo will have more success with using their controller to the full.
As for it being "a game that makes a GAME," that seems like a fairly obvious statement to make. But if you're saying that using a controller like the one on the Wii is not going to change gameplay, then I think you're the one who needs to get real.
Another nice statement, that Nintendo have alienated 3rd party developers. Would that be including Ubisoft? Whats that? Another bullshit point with no validity? It couldn't be.
And maybe Sony cannot steal something Nintendo did not create. But they did just fine with the D-pad, didn't they?
My God, this is getting boring.
"360 games are pricey because there is no next genration competition right now. Also use some sense, if developers make games wich are desinged for a 360 and ps3, They ant gonna put it on a wii, with its far less powerfull machine. and if they dont put it on the wii, why are they going to make a brand new game for one console. They wont, simple as. So what games are you gonna be playing?
If microsoft make a loss on a console, should i worry? thier worth BILLIONS, and atleast it means im getting a deal. When your buying a gamecube in a diffrent shell. Do you some how feel this buzz of joy, that nintendo are making money because your stupid?
Wii is gonna cost half of the other consoles and be half as good. Its going to be a GAMECUBE with a diffrent PAD. Its less powerfull so its games arent gonna be half as good as the other consoles."
I'll use one example. Resident Evil 5. Beng produced for the 360 the the PS3. Not going to be on the Wii, because, as you said, it is a less powerful machine.
"why are they going to make a brand new game for one console. They wont, simple as."
Except... You're wrong. Oh dear. Because an exclusive Resident Evil game is being developed for the Wii. Bit of a kick in the teeth that, wasn't it?
I think the buzz of joy we feel comes from the fun we have playing Nintendo games. If you want to call that stupid, that's fine, but then you're saying that anyone who ever enjoys a video game is stupid. Well done.
"It's less powerful, so the games won't be as good." Yeah... Except that, power doesn't mean gameplay, as I stated earlier in this post. and again, you seem to be doing that... Seeing into the future thing. Maybe you need to see a psychiatrist?
"Plus ps3/360 have the games that ARE good. You wont find Halo, grand turismo, forza motor sports, the REAL dragon quest, final fantasy 13, PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER, ninja gaiden, ghost recon series, metal gear solid 4, splinter cell, tekken, soul calibur, virtua fighter, vitua tennis, shemnue, assasins creed, lair, mass effect, gears of war, Elder scrolls series, half life, fear, resident evil 5, jak and daxter, call of duty, rathet and clank, ico series, GRAND THEFT AUTO 4, etc on a wii. (This was from the top of my head)"
Wow.
Halo - You're right, won't be on the Wii. Won't be on the PS3, either.
The REAL Dragon Quest? - Yeah... Right... What? Are you an idiot?
Final Fantasy 13 - Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles is, though.
Resident Evil 5 - No, but again, an Exclusive Wii game will be.
Call of Duty 3 is a launch title for the Wii. Stop being an idiot.
A lot of those games are also avaliable on the PC, and i'm sure certain ones will become avaliable for the Wii in some form or another. Despite all of this, there are loads of games on the Wii that won't be on either the 360 or the PS3. Wii has much more exclusivity than the other 2 consoles.
"However on wii youll find: brain tuma: takeshis castle, mario 400: save the princess AGIAN, and mario sports franchise *Insert name here*, and another zelda game."
Was that off the top of your head too? Probably, because, as we've established, you're an idiot. Well done.
"I just did. Now you try tell me a THIRD PARTY game thats worth buying on a wii."
Red Steel. See earlier for why you're an idiot before you try to argue this point.
"I have one word for you: Gamecube. Thats why no one takes nintendo seriously, and no one should.
How the fuck can you be on a pes fansite and talk nonscence about the console's that have the one game this whole website is about? Its bares on the line of insanity."
No one takes Nintendo seriously? Do I sense another comment that is 90% bullshit? I think I do. If no one took them seriously, then why are they still around? Why was their E3 presentation the most successful? Why would I even be bothering to argue with you?
I think he can be on this site and talk the way he does about these consoles because, perhaps, just maybe, it's possible to imagine that he plays PES on his PC? Or maybe he realises that a console having one game that you like DOES NOT make that console ultimate. I know this might be difficult... But maybe he's just smarter than you?
"If you dont like nintendo games, buying a nintendo console is stupid."
Thanks for that one, Captain Obvious.
"I found out this the hard way with my n64 and, what is the worst console i have ever bought, the gamecube. I for one, will be hard pressed to make the same mistake 3 times."
You don't have any intention of buying a Wii, so don't make as though it's still a decision you have to make.
Now that that's finally over, i'll sit and wait for you to reply with a typical response, probably something that you think makes you seem pretty hardcore withot actually addressing anything i've wrote, because you realise that I just "tore you apart." Of course, you're free to just say nothing, and accept defeat, which would be the honourable thing to do.
Eric Clyde
Registered User
I will definately get a PS3. But will also get a Wii since my brother is more of a Nintendo fan.
PES ADDICT 117
Registered User
Bloody hell Aerial, chill man. We all like to be friends on this place :happy:
jamez
Calcio Agriculturus
Aerial said:
So you think i was being racist because i implied that the Japanese have different gaming tastes to the rest of the world? Theres a whole list of games released on consoles in Japan that we never see anywhere else in the world. To me that says they have a very individual taste in games. So think before you spout your high-and-mighty politically correct drivel.
And are you the MD of Nintendo or something? Or just a deranged Nintnedo fanboy? Whether you agree with my opinions or not, you know no more than anyone else about the state of Nintendo's finances. The Wii should not be considered a next-gen console - more a rebranded Gamecube with a silly controller. Unless its sold as a budget console, Nintendo will lose out big-time to MS and Sony.
Talk about putting peoples backs up with your first post....
Eric Clyde
Registered User
Here we go...
"So you think i was being racist because i implied that the Japanese have different gaming tastes to the rest of the world? Theres a whole list of games released on consoles in Japan that we never see anywhere else in the world. To me that says they have a very individual taste in games. So think before you spout your high-and-mighty politically correct drivel."
I was actually assuming you would just admit that you were wrong in saying what you said, but apparently not. I hate it when people do this - Just understand that what you said actually has no truth in it whatsoever, but if we lookat the facts, i'm neither a child, neither do I feel/wish to feel like a child, and neither am I Japanese. So, your original statement that I first picked apart still stands as false, and yet you try to come back at me with... This?
Of course, I know you were not being racist. Subtle humour is obviously lost on you, but nevertheless, the statement you made was broad and incorrect. Stand down, you're wrong.
"And are you the MD of Nintendo or something? Or just a deranged Nintnedo fanboy? Whether you agree with my opinions or not, you know no more than anyone else about the state of Nintendo's finances."
I'm not the MD of Nintendo, and i'm not deranged either - I'm not sure i'd be able to complete a post like the one before if I was deranged. Then again, I probably am quite obsessive when it comes to dealing with people like you who think they can talk a load of crap and not get called up on it.
I never claimed to know mor ethan anyone else about Nintendo's finances - None of what i've said requires me to have an in depth knowledge of their finances to back up whatever point i'm trying to make. Whereas your comment, that Nintendo would need a lot of money else the Wii could be the end of them, would require some actual knowledge of the state of their finances, projected figures, etc., of which, you have admitted, you do not have access to. Therefore, as I stated in my other post, that statement was invalid. So what exactly are you trying to achieve by saying that I do not know more about their finances?
"The Wii should not be considered a next-gen console - more a rebranded Gamecube with a silly controller. Unless its sold as a budget console, Nintendo will lose out big-time to MS and Sony."
I don't think it should be considered next-gen either - Like Nintendo said, it is a new generation. And, again, with the psychic abilities.
Let me just put this straight for you - You do not know what will you happen. You cannot see into the future. Please stop stating your opinions and ideas as though they are fact.
And, if I put your back up, or anyone else's, then you should be able to deal with it. If you have the right to post whatever you feel like, even if it is wrong, then I have the right to come and put you right. If you were actualy so sure of your own opinions, and you actually knew what you were talking about, there would be no need to get annoyed.
As it stands though, you're giving me a sense of victory. So, thanks.
I was actually assuming you would just admit that you were wrong in saying what you said, but apparently not. I hate it when people do this - Just understand that what you said actually has no truth in it whatsoever, but if we lookat the facts, i'm neither a child, neither do I feel/wish to feel like a child, and neither am I Japanese. So, your original statement that I first picked apart still stands as false, and yet you try to come back at me with... This?
Of course, I know you were not being racist. Subtle humour is obviously lost on you, but nevertheless, the statement you made was broad and incorrect. Stand down, you're wrong.
"And are you the MD of Nintendo or something? Or just a deranged Nintnedo fanboy? Whether you agree with my opinions or not, you know no more than anyone else about the state of Nintendo's finances."
I'm not the MD of Nintendo, and i'm not deranged either - I'm not sure i'd be able to complete a post like the one before if I was deranged. Then again, I probably am quite obsessive when it comes to dealing with people like you who think they can talk a load of crap and not get called up on it.
I never claimed to know mor ethan anyone else about Nintendo's finances - None of what i've said requires me to have an in depth knowledge of their finances to back up whatever point i'm trying to make. Whereas your comment, that Nintendo would need a lot of money else the Wii could be the end of them, would require some actual knowledge of the state of their finances, projected figures, etc., of which, you have admitted, you do not have access to. Therefore, as I stated in my other post, that statement was invalid. So what exactly are you trying to achieve by saying that I do not know more about their finances?
"The Wii should not be considered a next-gen console - more a rebranded Gamecube with a silly controller. Unless its sold as a budget console, Nintendo will lose out big-time to MS and Sony."
I don't think it should be considered next-gen either - Like Nintendo said, it is a new generation. And, again, with the psychic abilities.
Let me just put this straight for you - You do not know what will you happen. You cannot see into the future. Please stop stating your opinions and ideas as though they are fact.
And, if I put your back up, or anyone else's, then you should be able to deal with it. If you have the right to post whatever you feel like, even if it is wrong, then I have the right to come and put you right. If you were actualy so sure of your own opinions, and you actually knew what you were talking about, there would be no need to get annoyed.
As it stands though, you're giving me a sense of victory. So, thanks.