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game is so heavily scripted

Ruudt1908

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Question, if we push the right stick in a direction to make a player run they NEVER sprint.. is this normal? I think konami is digging their own grave, i still hope that they come back but the disappointment gets bigger every year.
 

Antonyc1977

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Question, if we push the right stick in a direction to make a player run they NEVER sprint.. is this normal? I think konami is digging their own grave, i still hope that they come back but the disappointment gets bigger every year.

You have to push the "Sprint" button. Most of the time I hold the "Close Control" (even without the ball) button to save energy.
 

myjy

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yeah i'm done. i'm selling it. I've been buying sport games since 2000. I've never seen scripting this bad in a game. ever.
 

Antonyc1977

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yeah i'm done. i'm selling it. I've been buying sport games since 2000. I've never seen scripting this bad in a game. ever.

I think players who feel the same way as yourself shouldn't be too hasty.
Konami are yet to release a gameplay patch (they usually do after negative feedback).
The only thing I can say as positive, is if you play Master League, you need to get your Team Rating above 85 and the game doesn't feel anywhere near as scripted.

Honestly, I do not know why Konami do this? Playing with crap players in Master League should be difficult enough. But playing with crap players against a Bolton side who then destroy you with flicks, tricks, possession based Tika Taka football is really just taking the piss.

But like I say, get your ML team above 85 Rating and it's a totally different game!
 

Ruudt1908

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Another example, if im defending the players are lazy and slow and the cpu is quick and they attack with a lot of players.. when im attacking it still slow and the players dont move smart and de cpu defenders are super aggresive..

Or am i wrong?
 

Tigers Mad

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Got to agree , Konami need to address the game play issue, PES 18 is a lot smoother and i think looks better imo, so come on Konami sort it
 

Tropical

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im glad I didnt pay the full price and that this shop in Sweden released it for 19 Euros on launch day lol! this game is still the same.. disgusting. they add scripting to regular club online division. whats the point of playing human vs human and add scripting? whats the point? the demo was smooth online no scripting.. they dont know that by adding scripting they are hurting their company.. it will get worse and worse

konami still dumb enough not to give an option to turn off live form in online friendly lobby or change arrows..
 

nahno

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im glad I didnt pay the full price and that this shop in Sweden released it for 19 Euros on launch day lol! this game is still the same.. disgusting. they add scripting to regular club online division. whats the point of playing human vs human and add scripting? whats the point? the demo was smooth online no scripting.. they dont know that by adding scripting they are hurting their company.. it will get worse and worse

konami still dumb enough not to give an option to turn off live form in online friendly lobby or change arrows..

Yes at least last year you could get respite from fakeclub with a more level playing field in Online Divisions, but not this year. Online friendly is the only mode left which is best player wins.

Its not a football IQ test anymore, year on year they go further away from a football test, its a test in overcoming a match artificially balanced by all sorts of handicap and phase programming. The skill gap is almost non existent now, and a fifa player with 30% winrate could easily pick up a controller and beat me in myclub, despite me having 75% win online divisions last year and playing pes forever. Only the top 1% of players can overcome the fakeness.
 

Antonyc1977

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Yes at least last year you could get respite from fakeclub with a more level playing field in Online Divisions, but not this year. Online friendly is the only mode left which is best player wins.

Its not a football IQ test anymore, year on year they go further away from a football test, its a test in overcoming a match artificially balanced by all sorts of handicap and phase programming. The skill gap is almost non existent now, and a fifa player with 30% winrate could easily pick up a controller and beat me in myclub, despite me having 75% win online divisions last year and playing pes forever. Only the top 1% of players can overcome the fakeness.

I feel that the "Super Cancel" button combo may be the answer to a lot of the issues.
I complained recently about failing to out-jump lower rated, shorter (in height) AI players. I had a response saying "You have to Super Cancel in order to manoeuvre your player in front or behind the opposition in order to jump for the ball!" - What a joke! The next DLC needs a patch to fix this!
 

Jansen007

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I am feeling your pain.

I know this isn't much of a consolation but here's what I had to do...
I have adjusted every team's game plan in the Prem & Championship (for my Master League Campaign) to see if I can screw the AI's scripted cheating ways. And I seem to have done so...

If anyone is interested, try changing an average team's tactics to the following, then play a friendly against them:
Change the opposition's tactics to:
Fluid Tactics
442 Formation
LMF & RMF when IN Possession - Then push these players up the pitch to LWF & RWF when OUT of Possession.
Change the Defensive Instructions for Support Range - to Spread out the players as far as they can go.

It makes a real difference!

The problem I face now though, is the LIVE UPDATES as they reset all of the team's tactics every time you update.

Remember the goalkeeper bug in PES 2016? I upgraded all goalkeepers for European clubteams(including CL&EL) and International teams(countries). Also I made most dedenders and midfielders more aggressive & tackling skills so the opponents AI would conceed more fouls.

I even shared my option file here @ pesgaming for offline gameplay. It had changed the gameplay immense! Still playing it from time to time.

And Im gonna try Fifa19 but when I'm not satisfied I ll go back to PES2016 on PS3 this year. For me it was more fluid than 2017 & 2018.

Thats the annoying thing with PES every year; they ll make some good adjustment but they ll lose other good things and f#ck up a few other things.
 

Antonyc1977

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Remember the goalkeeper bug in PES 2016? I upgraded all goalkeepers for European clubteams(including CL&EL) and International teams(countries). Also I made most dedenders and midfielders more aggressive & tackling skills so the opponents AI would conceed more fouls.

I even shared my option file here @ pesgaming for offline gameplay. It had changed the gameplay immense! Still playing it from time to time.

And Im gonna try Fifa19 but when I'm not satisfied I ll go back to PES2016 on PS3 this year. For me it was more fluid than 2017 & 2018.

Thats the annoying thing with PES every year; they ll make some good adjustment but they ll lose other good things and f#ck up a few other things.

So, have you merely reduce down the Ball Winning ability? (Let's just say Mustafi (Arsenal) has 89 rated Ball Winning. Do I reduce his Ball Winning down to 69 or lower? I mean, this would make a lot of sense.
But then again, there are 2887x Centre Backs in the game. That's a lot of editing!
 

ronystan

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I feel that the "Super Cancel" button combo may be the answer to a lot of the issues.
I complained recently about failing to out-jump lower rated, shorter (in height) AI players. I had a response saying "You have to Super Cancel in order to manoeuvre your player in front or behind the opposition in order to jump for the ball!" - What a joke! The next DLC needs a patch to fix this!

Even the super cancel broken when you're in header battle this year. Unlike last year (and the years before this) that your positioning with super cancel before the header battle really rewarding, this year I find even when I already use super cancel and put my player in front of the opponent, somehow many times the opponent still managed to win the header.
 

Ruudt1908

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Just pre ordered fifa19.. ill keep pes 2019 but the diseppointment is too big.. ill still hope that konami fix the extreme scripting.. every goal cpu scores is the same.. a low pass to the centre and you know this ends.. i even tried with 5 defenders and 3 dm and even that doest fix it
 

springunited

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Just pre ordered fifa19.. ill keep pes 2019 but the diseppointment is too big.. ill still hope that konami fix the extreme scripting.. every goal cpu scores is the same.. a low pass to the centre and you know this ends.. i even tried with 5 defenders and 3 dm and even that doest fix it

we can defend this as mentioned by someone above.
However, this is not the problem of win/loss, just wonder why A.I. has no other style? why every attack same no matter which team? also why the referee so unfair?

sometimes I don't feel happy when score, because I feel that A.I. let me score intentionally! they can defend me but just give me a way to score
 

Antonyc1977

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HOORAY!!!!

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AI behaviour/style of play – Irregularities identified and fix to come with next Data Pack (late Oct)

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We apologise for the above inconveniences and thank you for your continued support/feedback. (2/2)
 

tonyneculai

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Question, if we push the right stick in a direction to make a player run they NEVER sprint.. is this normal? I think konami is digging their own grave, i still hope that they come back but the disappointment gets bigger every year.

it can be they are tired, put stamina gauge ON from the Settings/ options. You'll notice that no player with red on stamina does the run no matter how many times you send them forward with the analog
 

tonyneculai

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Even the super cancel broken when you're in header battle this year. Unlike last year (and the years before this) that your positioning with super cancel before the header battle really rewarding, this year I find even when I already use super cancel and put my player in front of the opponent, somehow many times the opponent still managed to win the header.

The main issue this year is that some matches you have a delay at every action you do. So after you do super cancel , you move in front of the player to win the aerial duel but because of the delay you don't have enough time to jump earlier. This happens to me many times. And I feel physical strength has a much more important role now, even if the opponent player is smaller if he's very strong sometimes your player can't even jump at all..
 

tonyneculai

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we can defend this as mentioned by someone above.
However, this is not the problem of win/loss, just wonder why A.I. has no other style? why every attack same no matter which team? also why the referee so unfair?

sometimes I don't feel happy when score, because I feel that A.I. let me score intentionally! they can defend me but just give me a way to score

It is a big issue that AI has same style no matter of the team. true that.

But the referee thing is different, it is because of the stupid player skill called malicia, players who have it obtain faults many time when it's not a fault.

And be happy when you score, the AI doesn't let you score, it is programmed to change the tactics during the match. If you watch down left or right of the radar you'll notice he changes the tactics 5-6 times per match. Well, some of those tactics are easier for us, like when they let you think and doesn't do gegenpress.
 
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