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General Demo Discussion/Impressions

mahanddeem

Registered User
Damion is right, too bad stupid konami will not release a demo before the game release..
I never ever noticed any input lags or slow downs people were always complaining here about in pes2012 or 2013..I play on PC and a very capable one that is, never played on console before.I was seriously thinking about buying a console for gta v but seeing a game like pes has slowness on these consoles I will not ...
 

DIECI

Registered User
If the slowdowns are still in the retail game. Will playing on a ps4 solve this because of the extra power?
 

shaun7

Registered User
Because I'm judging it from what I'm used to playing PES on. The new demo is the first time I've played a PES on console in a long time, and I really noticed the frame rate issues, amongst other things. It's very poorly optimised, even for a console game and needs an awful lot of work.

Damion is right, too bad stupid konami will not release a demo before the game release..
I never ever noticed any input lags or slow downs people were always complaining here about in pes2012 or 2013..I play on PC and a very capable one that is, never played on console before.I was seriously thinking about buying a console for gta v but seeing a game like pes has slowness on these consoles I will not ...

Console games have been going on like this for the last 2 years especially. The frame rate issues do happen on fifa aswell. Even Diablo 3 for ps3 has some frame rate issues (still a great game). So it;s not poorly optimized. It's the console's 7 year old hardware that's causing the problem. The memory cannot handle such things at 30fps without slowing down. 512 mb of memory is just not enough to keep modern games flowing. That's a fact unfortunately :(.

But arguing that graphics suck because of frame rate is not a strong argument for the current gen consoles because every game is plagued with the same problem.

[MENTION=11017]DIECI[/MENTION] Even if you could get it to work on a ps4 (which I doubt, because the memory architecture is very different to the ps3), it still won't work as well as you'd imagine because the game was developed with 512mb of memory in the first place. So it's won't make it better unfortunately.
 

Marcus Wright

Registered User
Wow just played the demo, its amazing, I don't know how can people say its bad?
Yes its lagging and frame rate issues and some faces missing, but look at the newer side of things too.
For the first time I can feel that the ball movement is different from the players, and thats something I have been dreaming since the start of football simulations.
Graphics and animation have been improved a lot too IMO.

Definitely getting and enjoying the hell out of this game !!!
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
If the slowdowns are still in the retail game. Will playing on a ps4 solve this because of the extra power?

I have just "picked up" a copy of the retail version of PES 2014...and it is basically the same thing as the demo.

Frame rate issues are still present ..
Button lag is present
Slow Gameplay present
Ghosting Present
Floaty Shooting still Present
Burst of Speed Present
Keeper Bug Present

I am yet to check the online in fear of getting my xbox banned...;)

I hope they will send a patch to address these issues ..

peace

P.S. Honestly, it does look like there is a delay on the passing. It appears to be the way the game was made to play.
 

Buckie

Registered User
after playing the demo many times i really dont understand why people are complaining of button lag. When i press a button it works as it should. I see no delay on the power bar appereaing etc. The only delay is waiting for the players foot to reach the ball and hit it. Is that not whats supposed to happen?
 

shaun7

Registered User
after playing the demo many times i really dont understand why people are complaining of button lag. When i press a button it works as it should. I see no delay on the power bar appereaing etc. The only delay is waiting for the players foot to reach the ball and hit it. Is that not whats supposed to happen?

To a point yes. I don't want it like fifa where all players have lightning fast reflexes. But in Pes 14, the lag is apparent especially in dribbling. Sometimes you press the button to turn left or right to avoid a tackle and the player hesitates for that second before executing it and that's where lag occurs. Lag isn't when you're waiting for the animation as you said, but when waiting for the animation to start.

What I mean is that there's that second from when you press the button to when the game takes the command and then there's another second for the animation to take place. What's bad is the first part of it when te game take time to register your input.

But overall, I am still enjoying he demo so far. Somehow, I never scored the same goal twice even if I scored 3 1vs1 in the same match. That's actually very good play from Konami's Pes 14. The game does have alot of positives though. :)
 

wallpaper_01

Registered User
Can anyone tell me how to volley? Ive played around 15 games and have not managed to volley the ball or header off a corner once.

I am pushing shoot a good few seconds before my guy receives it, he just always takes a touch!
 

shaun7

Registered User
Can anyone tell me how to volley? Ive played around 15 games and have not managed to volley the ball or header off a corner once.

I am pushing shoot a good few seconds before my guy receives it, he just always takes a touch!

I did once or twice. Honestly, you have to press the shot button as soon as the ball is near the player, then depending on the height, the player shoots of heads it in. I am sorry I can't be much help but that's what I do and it seems to work for me. :)

And for a volley. I think you have to adjust his weight and movement to move slightly away from the ball so that he ball is closer to the ground when it lands near him and then shoot as soon as the ball is close to the player.

The problem is when you press the shot button too early.
 

tremolo arm

Registered User
Granted the full game is the same as the demo, it will be a love / hate relationship.

There are many good things in this game, many improvements over both PES 13 and FIFA 13, but there is a list of game breaking issues (wingers' unrealistic speed bursts, defenders catching up quick forwards, floaty shooting) which if unresolved, will ruin the game (arguably it already has).

It is clear that Konami will not have time to sort out these things for full game release, but they really need to get their finger out and patch the issues. If they do so, this will be an amazing game.

Regarding the competition (cough-cough 14), I have to say - I hated their demo at first and I thought - here we go again - same old). But after spending some time with it I am beginning to appreciate some very interesting innovations. Players now have weight and momentum, which are really noticeable. Ball possession is extremely well implemented with players making all sorts of intelligent runs off the ball, including coming back deep to offer an option. It feels realistic and more importantly it is useful. As such, the game is very enjoyable when the user is in possession of the ball. Through balls, passing and especially shots are amazing to watch and a well constructed move feels real, weighty and rewarding. And it feels like football.

The downfall of FIFA is (and always has always) the defending. This year is similar. The CPU will turn and twist way too quickly and unrealistically. There is no way the user can contest this and you only rely on player positioning and CPU's error. However (in contrast to PES 14), the user controlled defenders are much more responsive and quicker, which lessens the frustration. Also, FIFA has tightened its slide tackle control/animation, which is now very useful and rewarding when used timely.

In summary, both games have made some noticeable improvements (weight, momentum, player runs off the ball). With a better presentation FIFA 14 would have been amazing, but the recycled graphics, over-saturated colours and identical player models (lack of individuality) let it down. Defending is also frustrating.

KOnami has done a great job with PES 14, introducing the concept of weight shift, tightening the gameplay and resolving some past issues, but they are guilty of marring the experience with some inexplicable errors, such as the unrealistic speed bursts (mainly focused around CPU triggered through balls) and the artificial catch up by defenders. Shooting is also extremely annoying, which takes away from the oomph and the pleasure of scoring. With a patch, PES could be amazing, but knowing Konami, I don't have high hopes.

Which leaves one with the wishful thinking that the two development teams would get together and implemented the best of both worlds. Then we would have been for a real treat.
 

Buckie

Registered User
the shooting i find to be a bit of a mixed bag, Sometimes you get floaty shots but other times you can hammer them. Not sure if its to do with player form or your players position and balance at the time.
 

wallpaper_01

Registered User
I did once or twice. Honestly, you have to press the shot button as soon as the ball is near the player, then depending on the height, the player shoots of heads it in. I am sorry I can't be much help but that's what I do and it seems to work for me. :)

And for a volley. I think you have to adjust his weight and movement to move slightly away from the ball so that he ball is closer to the ground when it lands near him and then shoot as soon as the ball is close to the player.

The problem is when you press the shot button too early.

Ah right, was thinking I was pushing shoot too late, first thing im going to do is spend a good few hours in the training mode to get a feel for all the new stuff.
 

paul2478

Moderator
[MENTION=27764]wallpaper_01[/MENTION] not sure if it is the case with volleys, but with headers you need to press early as Shaun says & make sure you release the button before contact is made with the ball
 

Marcus Wright

Registered User
I actually like the speed bursts a lot, I think they add a new element to the game and can even be considered more realistic. Its like momentum u know?

I think I like the shooting to, the floating everyone complains about I believe is just the ball traveling at proper speeds.

As for button lag, maybe, juast maybe. It might be the time players take to pass though instead. I am not sure about this one...
 

gerrit

Registered User
The gameplay is not horribly broken. Plus I'm complaining about the frame rate. How does that make me a fanboy? Anyways. Can it be fixed or we will have this issue on the retail version??? The question wasn't answered !

I'm not talking to you as a fanboy but in general to a lot of people in this thread who appearantly don't find it a dealbreaker that players are virtually incontrollable with the ball.
 

wallpaper_01

Registered User
I actually like the speed bursts a lot, I think they add a new element to the game and can even be considered more realistic. Its like momentum u know?

I think I like the shooting to, the floating everyone complains about I believe is just the ball traveling at proper speeds.

As for button lag, maybe, juast maybe. It might be the time players take to pass though instead. I am not sure about this one...

Yeah I was thinking that about input lag but sometimes my press isnt even registered. I think maybe once the game is out, speeding it up slightly, if we still can? Could be the solution.
 

tremolo arm

Registered User
I think I like the shooting to, the floating everyone complains about I believe is just the ball traveling at proper speeds.
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You can clearly see the difference when the CPU strikes a direct free kick at goal. That's the speed that shots should be travelling at 80% of the time. Instead they are travelling at half that speed almost all the time. However, I reserve judgment on this until I have tried every context - and by that I mean pressing the button early, late, under pressure and when in perfect balance.
 
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