Holding up the ball/Better way of defending
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Nope. The AI will bring its players in and move yours away and get possession.
Run your player along in front of opposition player, and use the pressure button to have your players engage him. Then you run across the front of him, swooping up the ball without having to tackle. Similarly, select your CB and stay in front of the opposing player, blocking his shot, while your others are pressuring.
Use pressure to surprise a player running at your back line. As you hang on the back of him, wait until he gets close to your CB, then hit pressure, to make your defender step up.
Watch who the AI doesn't let you select, or which players are running out of position. This is where the AI is going.
The AI's preferred route are the wings. Watch your WB's closely, select them even if play seems to be going center. The comp will desperately want the overlap, and before you know it, it's got it. If that happens, you have to block crosses from going in. Once in the air, you will be made to feel the CPUGod's wrath.
The moments when the AI goes into "super score mode":
Its first possession of each half.
Last five minutes of each half.
Its first possession after scoring it's first goal.
If you see an opposition player flying down the wing in any of the above times, tackle him while it's still a yellow card, because if that cross goes in...they WILL score.
When under pressure in these times, just clear it, don't make any passes, into or near the penalty area...no matter how easy they look. "Things" will happen.
Madara_Blade
Registered User
just pass the ball around
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Kewell[AUS]
Registered User
Honestly, most of this post is rubbish.
Defend using super cancel, especially when blocking/defending crosses.
Also when the comp is hitting you down the flanks, try double team, because rushing it with just one player and your likely to get done. Especially against the likes of C.Ronaldo, Messi & Co.
Big Sammy123
Banned
just pass da ball around, play sum 1 2s and you should be aright. i guess it depens da difficultuty u playin on too.
zizou88
Registered User
there are 2 things you need to know.
1.no matter how well you try to defend...the computer will score somewhoe 90% of the time
2. passing aroud and gaining possesion works 50% of the time..if you get caught off gaurd you are screwed. which will happen.
so i suggest that the best defense is attacking..attacking is much easier than defending and once practice enough you can win through scoring goals.
playign defensivly also doesnt help your players rating. a goalkeeper might have a shut out but he will get a 5.5 unless he is a star play blocking shots all over the place.
even your defenders will get low ratings for shut outs..high ratings = player growth = attacking play
1.no matter how well you try to defend...the computer will score somewhoe 90% of the time
2. passing aroud and gaining possesion works 50% of the time..if you get caught off gaurd you are screwed. which will happen.
so i suggest that the best defense is attacking..attacking is much easier than defending and once practice enough you can win through scoring goals.
playign defensivly also doesnt help your players rating. a goalkeeper might have a shut out but he will get a 5.5 unless he is a star play blocking shots all over the place.
even your defenders will get low ratings for shut outs..high ratings = player growth = attacking play
Lot of bollocks in this thread. The only way to defend properly is realizing what your AI controlled team mates do wrong. They pull gaps.
What you will want to do is grab a midfielder/defender, and simply position them in the half circle outside your own 16y box while constantly holding Press 2 (the AI press). This makes that your AI controlled teammates will try to get the ball whenever they're closest to the ball, and they'll automatically intercept passes. I've been using this for a long time now, and I only get a goal against once every 3 matches or so. 7 out of every 10 passes are intercepted by my AI controlled teammates. Basically, the rule of thumb is you never go head on with the attacking player unless you really are the last man defending. You provide backup for your AI controlled defenders, and always hold the Press 2 button (square on the PS3, Blue X on the X360 controller). Always position yourself between the ball and the goal line horizontally. Try to anticipate where the attacker is headed. Is he going for the goal line and going for a cross? Position yourself on the PK spot and keep holding Press 2. A defender will close down the attacker, forcing him to cross straight towards you. Is the attacker going for the goal line, but cuts in and runs straight at goal? Watch if there are any other attackers in the box that could potentially tap the ball into the goal, and close down the space for the oncoming attacker so shooting gets increasingly more difficult.
Basically, grab any midfielder/defender, and position yourself as a sweeper, holding Press 2. I've taken the liberty to take some screens for better understanding of the situation and tactics. Don't mind the scoreline, I wasn't attacking and the goal I encountered was due to me trying to print screen when I really shouldn't have
Let me know how you like this tactic.
What you will want to do is grab a midfielder/defender, and simply position them in the half circle outside your own 16y box while constantly holding Press 2 (the AI press). This makes that your AI controlled teammates will try to get the ball whenever they're closest to the ball, and they'll automatically intercept passes. I've been using this for a long time now, and I only get a goal against once every 3 matches or so. 7 out of every 10 passes are intercepted by my AI controlled teammates. Basically, the rule of thumb is you never go head on with the attacking player unless you really are the last man defending. You provide backup for your AI controlled defenders, and always hold the Press 2 button (square on the PS3, Blue X on the X360 controller). Always position yourself between the ball and the goal line horizontally. Try to anticipate where the attacker is headed. Is he going for the goal line and going for a cross? Position yourself on the PK spot and keep holding Press 2. A defender will close down the attacker, forcing him to cross straight towards you. Is the attacker going for the goal line, but cuts in and runs straight at goal? Watch if there are any other attackers in the box that could potentially tap the ball into the goal, and close down the space for the oncoming attacker so shooting gets increasingly more difficult.
Basically, grab any midfielder/defender, and position yourself as a sweeper, holding Press 2. I've taken the liberty to take some screens for better understanding of the situation and tactics. Don't mind the scoreline, I wasn't attacking and the goal I encountered was due to me trying to print screen when I really shouldn't have
Let me know how you like this tactic.
CaptainCabinet
Trapped In Cabinets
Take the fuckers down before the start posing a threat.
inoit
Registered User
Don't like.
Doesn't this pull you out of shape?
I agree with not diving in unless you're last man. Forcing someone round you/getting to try something by being patient and jockeying the man in posession is an effective form of defence, but...
...it's not easy. No quick fixes. It's why I LOVE this game...
simononestop
Registered User
try to stay goal side in front of the player your marking (hold down the square or circle cant remember). you got to mark the players off the ball as well as on the ball (e.g track the player your marking) and anticipate the passes then cut them out. blocking shots is just getting your play in front at the right time.
jthomas007
Registered User
"Lot of bollocks in this thread. The only way to defend properly is realizing what your AI controlled team mates do wrong. They pull gaps." -Robdg
This poster is correct and his technique is sound.
I do much the same save;
1) Not exclusively using the back defender as he does (not always a CB-type positioning), but I do not take on the computer attacker 1v1. I have a deeper defender controlled and use X to call for pressure by another player just as he does. This way, there is superior defense capacity of CF/SS and AMF players than their defense stat would suggest. They have such good ball control, reaction and dribbling attributes that allow them to intercept, win the ball and keep it better than if you tried 1v1 challenges all the time.
2) Use the "jockying" by pulling the right trigger (xbox360). For some reason, the computer offense is less aggressive when they see the defender in the jockying stance. It slows them down and allows for better repositioning of wayward defenders and to get back during counter attacks.
3) Lastly, I use a very atypical formation with 4 deep defenders, one additional sweeper, two wingers, a single AMF and SS and CF playing deep rather than forward. This is entirely set up for counter-attack football with longer runs and LESS passing. Why?
- because the computer cheats during passing. The passes go astray, are intercepted, can bounce off players with good technique event when accurately made, etc.
and
- speed kills, the game is very speed imbalanced. If you have team speed, it beats team work, passing or body balance (can't knock me off if you can't catch me first).
So I minimize ball transitions and keep trying to elude the computer's defender to hold possession for as long as possible with speed (not holding sprint newbie technique, but controlled bursts and generally fast dribbling players). There is little "half-court" offense and all "fast-break offense" to use a basketball analogy.
Also, NEVER, EVER pass in your own box if you don't absolutely have too. As another poster put it, "Things" happen.
Hope that helps.
This poster is correct and his technique is sound.
I do much the same save;
1) Not exclusively using the back defender as he does (not always a CB-type positioning), but I do not take on the computer attacker 1v1. I have a deeper defender controlled and use X to call for pressure by another player just as he does. This way, there is superior defense capacity of CF/SS and AMF players than their defense stat would suggest. They have such good ball control, reaction and dribbling attributes that allow them to intercept, win the ball and keep it better than if you tried 1v1 challenges all the time.
2) Use the "jockying" by pulling the right trigger (xbox360). For some reason, the computer offense is less aggressive when they see the defender in the jockying stance. It slows them down and allows for better repositioning of wayward defenders and to get back during counter attacks.
3) Lastly, I use a very atypical formation with 4 deep defenders, one additional sweeper, two wingers, a single AMF and SS and CF playing deep rather than forward. This is entirely set up for counter-attack football with longer runs and LESS passing. Why?
- because the computer cheats during passing. The passes go astray, are intercepted, can bounce off players with good technique event when accurately made, etc.
and
- speed kills, the game is very speed imbalanced. If you have team speed, it beats team work, passing or body balance (can't knock me off if you can't catch me first).
So I minimize ball transitions and keep trying to elude the computer's defender to hold possession for as long as possible with speed (not holding sprint newbie technique, but controlled bursts and generally fast dribbling players). There is little "half-court" offense and all "fast-break offense" to use a basketball analogy.
Also, NEVER, EVER pass in your own box if you don't absolutely have too. As another poster put it, "Things" happen.
Hope that helps.
Depends on the player you use as a sweeper, it won't pull you out of shape if you use a defender or a defensive midfielder. Besides, I often use my flanks as a sweeper to pull a gap for my backs in case I get the ball, as the opponent will push its backs forward when you leave your flank open. They walk right into the trap.
Good to hear someone else is using this tactic. I don't exclusively use the CB positioning either, depends on my playstyle. If I want to put pressure higher up on the field I grab a midfielder and hang around the midfield, requires more walking and anticipation though.
dennyz_0106
Registered User
This is a very good technique and I totally understand it and such (although I don't use it because I find not going in the tackle boring, and also I haven't really mastered getting in the right position for headers). But one part intrigues me; where you said you play "with 4 deep defenders, one additional sweeper, two wingers, a single AMF and SS and CF playing deep rather than forward." This formation poses some questions for me. Firstly, when you play with 4 deep defenders with a sweeper, don't you find that, if a team uses attackers that are more withdrawn, your defenders don't mark them tightly and let them roam around "the hole". And furthermore, since this formation doesn't have a CMF or DMF, no-one can defend the hole area. Do you find that lots of defensive pressure is put on you that way?
BTW, this isn't in anyway as saying your method isn't good (my defense record is worst, about a bit more that 1 goal every 2 matches), I was just wondering if these problems exist for you and such.
I always play with a typical Champions League 4-4-2 with a backbone, which means.
......GK......
RB CB CB LB
......DM.....
......CM.....
RM.........LM
......SS......
......CF......
But I have a trick, once I get more than 1 goal up, I change to the following 4-2-4
......GK......
RB CB CB LB
......DM.....
......CM.....
......SS.....
RW..CF..LW
Because you're 2 goals up, the opponent will want to score to get back into the game, and will leave a lot of space in their defence. You can either compensate for this by focussing more on defending, but that usually leaves you out of control of the match, so I shove 2 extra attackers forward to keep hold of this game. Once you conquer the ball in your own half, your 4 attackers will be ready and waiting for them to tear apart the remaining defenders, which shouldn't be more than 4, maybe 5. The trick now is to become aware of where the spaces are, pass the ball forward and keep your eye on the minimap to see which winger has space, and use it. Don't be afraid to cross the ball over the pitch if the other winger has more space, and play smart. Realize you are the one winning and you have all the time in the world, just don't waste chances. 3-0 is better than 2-0, and it will open up yet more space.
I've been using this tactic mostly in the Master League, but it works just as well online.
Speaking of Master League, my ultimately goal is always to win the D1 League, the D1 Cup and the European Championship (CL) in the same season. Only then I consider the game finished, and I start over with a new team. So far I've managed this feat with 7 teams, 3 of which I managed within 3 seasons (Ajax, Tottenham and Barcelona). Right now I'm working on Arsenal, on my fourth season, the D1 league is in the bag with 5 matches left to go, the D1 Cup final is reached after beating Man Utd twice with 4-0 (8-0 aggr), and the CL final is reached after beating AC Milan 3-0 and 5-3 (8-3 aggr).
I use 10 minutes per game, on Top player (5 stars) for both the game itself and the master league setting.
dirtydesai
Registered User
i use to do this soooo much on pes4 and i totally owned any1 who tries the standard track and tackle banging their l1 button to defend. it feels like soooo much wasted effort doing all that. anyway, after hating pes5, never played pes6, n been dabbling in pes08 - i have forgotten some of the the ways of doing this tactic of defending - im sooooo chuffed to have found this thread!!!
q1 - can i use any player to stick near the box or in the box?
q1 - ive got such an awful strike rate 27% shot to goals - any tips?
q3 - what do i do wen ive messed up, sum1s cum around the back of my wbs and coming in 4 goal?
q4 - can i just put sum1 like a sweeper all the time, just making sure hes always the last man and press pressure?
q1 - can i use any player to stick near the box or in the box?
q1 - ive got such an awful strike rate 27% shot to goals - any tips?
q3 - what do i do wen ive messed up, sum1s cum around the back of my wbs and coming in 4 goal?
q4 - can i just put sum1 like a sweeper all the time, just making sure hes always the last man and press pressure?
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