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How many players do you have on your ML squad?

The Dude

His Dudeness
Just curious. How many players do you have your ML squad? Does it matter if players dont get any games? Will they still increase? I only keep 24 players and some players still dont get a lot of games.
 

peru82

Registered User
I always keep it at 25 players. I play with Valencia and in the Spanish league you can only have 25 players + reserve players ( usually from your young squad), but I don't use my young team. I make sure I have 2 players per position so they have enough playing time. I also turn the fatigue feature on so I'm force to rotate my players, keeping an eye on the schedule so I can rest important players for key games.
 

DunkLFC

Registered User
Just curious. How many players do you have your ML squad? Does it matter if players dont get any games? Will they still increase? I only keep 24 players and some players still dont get a lot of games.

I'm in the summer transfer window and recently bumped into the 32 player limit (Premier League). I've recently sold two players and am now contemplating picking up the two free out of contract players on my negotiations page. Though I know they are only at the level that I would be selling them on again. They have current valuations of about £6M each.

And yes, players who don't play still get the training increases, but they obviously don't get the match day increases. I have sent 3 players out on loan for each of my two seasons so far and one of them had a good spell while they were away, which got mentioned in the "news" section. However, the other 5 didn't. A couple of them dropped below their projected progression line, while the others followed it. Considering most players who stay in your squad actually out perform the projected line I didn't see any point in loaning players out, unless you need to save on salary costs.
 

Ali

It is happening again
My squad is full at the moment. The squad limit is a pain. There's a few good freebies I want to sign, but I can't. :no:
 

rebelinho

Moderator
I tend to prefer 11+11+3/4, with the 3/4 being one player for each part of the field (1 defender, 1 midfielder and 1 forward) capable of doing all positions, and possibly a third keeper.

[MENTION=180348]Ali[/MENTION] do you use them all or just can't get rid of them?
 

Parkinfed

Registered User
I'm in the summer transfer window and recently bumped into the 32 player limit (Premier League). I've recently sold two players and am now contemplating picking up the two free out of contract players on my negotiations page. Though I know they are only at the level that I would be selling them on again. They have current valuations of about £6M each.

And yes, players who don't play still get the training increases, but they obviously don't get the match day increases. I have sent 3 players out on loan for each of my two seasons so far and one of them had a good spell while they were away, which got mentioned in the "news" section. However, the other 5 didn't. A couple of them dropped below their projected progression line, while the others followed it. Considering most players who stay in your squad actually out perform the projected line I didn't see any point in loaning players out, unless you need to save on salary costs.

Did you know that loaning players out to teams that do not play in any league has a detrimental effect as the players do not get any noteworthy match xp?
I have found that loaning players to teams in the 'Other' section or the ones in groups like 'Other European teams' is a huge waste of potential.
 

Ali

It is happening again
I tend to prefer 11+11+3/4, with the 3/4 being one player for each part of the field (1 defender, 1 midfielder and 1 forward) capable of doing all positions, and possibly a third keeper.

[MENTION=180348]Ali[/MENTION] do you use them all or just can't get rid of them?

I can get rid of them, but a bunch of them are out on loan, so I'll have to wait until the end of the season. Hopefully these decent freebies don't get snapped up by another team!
 

pes 5

Registered User
At the moment I have 24 players.

2 Keepers, 8 Defenders, 8 Midfielders and 6 forwards.

Come January transfer window I will sign 8 free regens to reach my max squad size of 32 and immediately transfer list them, some of them sell for quite a high price, hopefully I sell them all before payday. Repeat this process every season.
 

The Dude

His Dudeness
I have found that loaning players to teams in the 'Other' section or the ones in groups like 'Other European teams' is a huge waste of potential.


Didnt know that. I hate when i try to loan out a guy with a 65 rating and i only get offers from top teams instead of a division 2 team.
 

Silver Surfer

Registered User
Just curious. How many players do you have your ML squad? Does it matter if players dont get any games? Will they still increase? I only keep 24 players and some players still dont get a lot of games.

I like a squad of around 22-25 players - any more than that and you'll have players that'll hardly get a game.
I do enjoy loaning teenage players out (sometimes for 2 or 3 seasons in a row) and seeing how they've developed, but only if I know they're not going to get a game in my team for some considerable time. Then they're ether good enough to stay and be part of the squad or get sold on.
I find that if a player 'flourishes' while on loan he'll only increase +2 in OR, which is a downside but that means at least they're getting games for the loan club.
 

DunkLFC

Registered User
Did you know that loaning players out to teams that do not play in any league has a detrimental effect as the players do not get any noteworthy match xp?
I have found that loaning players to teams in the 'Other' section or the ones in groups like 'Other European teams' is a huge waste of potential.

Ah, that'll probably explain why only 1 in 6 have improved beyond the progression line. Cheers.

I do enjoy loaning teenage players out (sometimes for 2 or 3 seasons in a row) and seeing how they've developed, but only if I know they're not going to get a game in my team for some considerable time. Then they're ether good enough to stay and be part of the squad or get sold on.
I find that if a player 'flourishes' while on loan he'll only increase +2 in OR, which is a downside but that means at least they're getting games for the loan club.

So a player who isn't good enough to get any games for you will increase by 6 OR over 3 seasons. Doesn't that mean that he'll probably still not be good enough to play when he comes back after 3 years? Especially, since our sides improve in quality every year. This is why I've decided to ditch the practice.
 

Silver Surfer

Registered User
So a player who isn't good enough to get any games for you will increase by 6 OR over 3 seasons. Doesn't that mean that he'll probably still not be good enough to play when he comes back after 3 years? Especially, since our sides improve in quality every year.

Not necessarily no, for example if I loan a 76OR 16yr old kid out over 3 seasons, he'll come back around 82OR 19yr old. By then he could be ready to be integrated into the 1st team squad as a substitute at the least...with lots of time to improve further with some 'real' playing time.

What i'm saying is that if i left that same kid out of my squad for 3 seasons just sitting there not playing there is no way he'd be around 82OR at 19yrs old. The loan system does have its benefits if you're playing the future as well as for the present.

After a 2 or 3 year loan if the player still hasn't improved enough or you have signed a better player in the same position within that time, you can sell them on for more money than you would have originally received if you sold them straight away. (due to the higher OR and the development during the loan period)
 

DunkLFC

Registered User
The 76 OR rated 16 year olds are all regens though, complete with all their previous incarnation's specialist skills. I'm currently at the stage where such players do get a game every week. So perhaps once my starting 11 is completely filled with upper 80s OR players, I will reconsider the approach.

By the way, what happens to players' abilities in the youth squad? Do they improve or just gain age? I haven't noticed any improvement in them, so it looks like they stagnate. But then I've only done two seasons, so it is hard to tell if they had a mild improvement.
 

Silver Surfer

Registered User
The 76 OR rated 16 year olds are all regens though, complete with all their previous incarnation's specialist skills. I'm currently at the stage where such players do get a game every week. So perhaps once my starting 11 is completely filled with upper 80s OR players, I will reconsider the approach.

True, they are all regens but they're the only ones worth promoting from the youth team if you ask me. (unless you find a rare gem that isn't a regen) I think when you get onto your 3rd, 4th seasons etc this approach works well.

By the way, what happens to players' abilities in the youth squad? Do they improve or just gain age?

Yes players in your youth team still improve but much slower, I had Downing in mine for ages who I didn't take any notice of at all until I noticed one day he had slowly creeped up to 78OR! Promoted him and sold him on straight away.
 

DunkLFC

Registered User
True, they are all regens but they're the only ones worth promoting from the youth team if you ask me. (unless you find a rare gem that isn't a regen) I think when you get onto your 3rd, 4th seasons etc this approach works well.

Yes, I promoted some youth players who were 68-70 OR during my first season, as they looked like prospects. These are the guys that went out on loan. I've sold them all now since the regens arrived making those original youth players completely useless.


Yes players in your youth team still improve but much slower, I had Downing in mine for ages who I didn't take any notice of at all until I noticed one day he had slowly creeped up to 78OR! Promoted him and sold him on straight away.

That's good to know. I have several regens in there that aren't good enough yet for the first team squad (Joe Cole, Carvalho, Bent ...), so I'll probably leave them there for now. Promoting them and loaning them out will presumably still count towards my max squad limit of 32!?
 

Willocrew

Registered User
I usually try to have at least 24 players minimum.

I play 4231/4213.

So for my 3 forward positions (CF, RWF, LWF) I try to have 7 players. This can be various combos; but usually it's 3 strikers and three to four wingers. It's better to have more strikers as they can be used on the wings but not the other way around because not many wingers have reliable finishing.

I have 2 Attacking mids and 2 CMs (Complete player/box to box) and 2 DMs.

2 RB and 2 LB.

4 CBs.

Plus 2 GKs. So total 23 players.

In past PES I would loan out lots of young players to earn money from their future sales. But this year, with the training perks from experienced veteran players, I try to limit loans to around 2-3. Then I'll use the remaining space to either buy or loan in veteran players with good training perks like Maestro or grand master to give my key players a boost.

In terms of my backup players (I.e. Outside first 11), they are usually around 75 to 80. Young players who are around 70 get loaned out until they hit 75 where they are ready to be in my first team. Once they return around 75, I will sell off my fringe senior players who are around 80 and who are around 25 years old. If the young player doesn't develop, they get sold off. And the new youth player gets promoted.

This is the revolving door policy for fringe players to maintain squad depth.

Most of the time, my star players come from external purchase. Usually a young talented player like Lucas Moura or Pogba, Varane, Götze etc. Expensive but just below that top tier bracket. However Origi really broke this trend. He was stagnating around 78 for most of the first season and I was relying on sturridge heavily, who ended up winning world player awards. Then when negotiation time came he wanted $13M salary. Also, a fantastic offer came in for him from Ajax for $45M. He had an 83 rating. And around this time, Origi suddenly flourished and hit 82 so I decided to sell sturridge and put Origi for season two as lead striker. My original plan was to buy Lacazette to replace Sturridge.
 
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