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i hate van der (speed) mirch (ant)

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minanda10

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i'm absolutely sick of playing against van der mirch, mphela, et al.

i'm getting better at defending against them, but i nearly always concede a goal, sooner or later, against these sprinters.

what really galls me, is that they have terrible shooting stats (worse than the defaults), but nearly always score when one-on-one (especially vdm).

i play with huntelaar, up front. in real life, a top quality centre forward.

in pes, he has amazing stats (heading and shooting in the nineties), but because he's slow, he'll never be as effective as the aforementioned speed freaks.

also, i've never scored a header with him, but i'm not sure if that's me, or the gameplay.
 
iamcanadianeh

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
I hear ya. I hate it too. It just shows what the underlying problems are with the game that you can use a player with 72 shot accuracy as a CF more effectively than a player with 93 shot acc, plus so many other useful cards for a stiker.

My story is that I was using Huntelaar but had to sell him. Bought Umut Bulut for a bit more pace, at a cheaper price, and use Di Natale as well. I also had Salpingidis and Gedo up front. I was getting so pissed off at the game though that I lent it to a friend and said, "do what you will." His first signing was Van Der Mirch, and he swears by him. Yes, it's effective to use a player like that, but I can't stand it! If it were me and I wanted to play like that, I would at least look for a player like Daniel Sturridge, who has some ball control, dribbling, teamwork, responsiveness and finishing.
 
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oziz14

Registered User
minanda10 said:
i'm absolutely sick of playing against van der mirch, mphela, et al.

i'm getting better at defending against them, but i nearly always concede a goal, sooner or later, against these sprinters.

what really galls me, is that they have terrible shooting stats (worse than the defaults), but nearly always score when one-on-one (especially vdm).

i play with huntelaar, up front. in real life, a top quality centre forward.

in pes, he has amazing stats (heading and shooting in the nineties), but because he's slow, he'll never be as effective as the aforementioned speed freaks.

also, i've never scored a header with him, but i'm not sure if that's me, or the gameplay.
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Yeah I can feel you...add Martins to the list too

Try signing a center-half like Perea (95 top speed)
 
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ytfc_fezzy77

Registered User
I thought he was good in PES 2012, but everytime I have come across him in this years version I thought he has been largely ineffective. A lot of people just try and speed whore with quick players and it doesnt work as well as it used to.

I actually like having to defend against these types of players. I feel I frustrate them a lot with my patient 4-5-1
 
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foosh_pes

Registered User
I wouldn't call lob passing cheating. That is a bit harsh, it is a tactic.

I use Walcott on the right wing, and Robinho on the left wing, so they can cross in to Toivonen or bring my attacking line up and start passing around the midfield again, by the way my overall team strength is only 680, and it's the only tactic I can use to beat people around the 750-800 mark. Also, I still have to do the hard work of getting it from defense to midfield in order to get the ball up the pitch.
 
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oziz14

Registered User
foosh_pes said:
I wouldn't call lob passing cheating. That is a bit harsh, it is a tactic.

I use Walcott on the right wing, and Robinho on the left wing, so they can cross in to Toivonen or bring my attacking line up and start passing around the midfield again, by the way my overall team strength is only 680, and it's the only tactic I can use to beat people around the 750-800 mark. Also, I still have to do the hard work of getting it from defense to midfield in order to get the ball up the pitch.
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Well maybe cheating would be a harsh word but believe me mate sometimes it is disgusting football...the man has a point as well

I mean sometimes you keep passing and playing good football and then your opponent just makes one through ball without doing anything else and he scores
 
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paddyahern44

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Germany_1989 said:
Put your defensive line at zero, its the best way to counter lob pass cheaters.
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Your defensive line will always move up to the half-way line when on the offense and after a bout of possession. A deep defensive line only dictates how quickly they do this and how quickly they drop back when possession is lost. It definately counters to a degree a quick counter, but not the long ball counter, i.e. you have a shot, keeper parrys, opposition defender picks up the ball and hoofs it up, Lucio trips over the ball and Van Der Mirch runs through on goal.

Problem is a combination of player switching, a bit of lag and this,


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LB--CB------RB
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-------CB/CF---

Why on earth does the CB follow the forward? Maybe for the first few seconds as he makes the run, but after a while he should be playing him offside and getting back in position with his teammates.
 
iamcanadianeh

iamcanadianeh

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paddyahern44 said:
Your defensive line will always move up to the half-way line when on the offense and after a bout of possession. A deep defensive line only dictates how quickly they do this and how quickly they drop back when possession is lost. It definately counters to a degree a quick counter, but not the long ball counter, i.e. you have a shot, keeper parrys, opposition defender picks up the ball and hoofs it up, Lucio trips over the ball and Van Der Mirch runs through on goal.

Problem is a combination of player switching, a bit of lag and this,


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LB--CB------RB
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-------CB/CF---

Why on earth does the CB follow the forward? Maybe for the first few seconds as he makes the run, but after a while he should be playing him offside and getting back in position with his teammates.
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Spot on. I noticed this in the demo even. It's as if the defending is just buggered for that very reason. Maybe that's all Konami need to change to resolve it?

Anyway, the way I counter the long through ball is to press up more. Sort of the opposite of having a defensive line set to zero. I'm not sure what my settings are, but basically I have learned when to press and when to jockey. You can't just always hold the pressure buttons and/or run or you will open gaps in your defensive line, on the wings or through the middle. At the same time though, you don't want to just jockey all the time and let them come at you, at the right times you need to apply lots of pressure, especially in the midfield, or any time you are able to do so without causing holes at the back. So, yeah, it's a mixture of things that will help stop this, including sometimes defending more with the cpu closing down while you control the player in support to cover gaps and protect the back line. It all depends on the situation. Also, I turn my att/def level down to level 2 manually and keep it there. I still score a lot of goals and it seems to help keep my defence in line. The point is though that I don't think just turning one slider to zero solves the problem. There's much more to it than that, but over time in one way or another if you stick with it and keep trying different things it is possible to get good enough at defending it that it is no longer a big problem. It's just annoying - that so many people don't play the game as if it were real football.

Foosh PES - What you don't seem to understand is that although your "tactics" might not be cheating, they are "cheap." You sound not nearly as bad as some guys, but by the way you describe the way you play it does sound like you are trying to break the game as opposed to playing it. Sorry, but if I played you, I would have no respect for you as soon as I saw you kept doing the same thing over and over, spamming Walcott on the wing. It's not just about winning you know. Try a little build up play and score some goals that aren't the same all the time and you will have more fun and when you win it will because you played well, not because you kept spamming a "tactic" that the other player can do nothing about. That's just cheap IMO.
 
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Hadziii

Registered User
Agree it's so annoying that Konami doesn't correct these mistakes but is't even more annoying that so much people play like this. I didn't meet 5 decent player's but nevermind. My solution for kid's that play like this is formation 4-5-1 copied default formation from Germany and so far it's working fine. I saw one more post with this tactics so try it you have nothing to lose :)
 
IronCity

IronCity

Banned
I still haven't caught on to this Van der Mirch business because I don't play PES2013, but please tell me Konami gave him a pumpkin head or something like that. That would really make it for me.
 
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Soccerdude

Registered User
The problem with Van der mirch is that his ball control is 81 Explosive power is 87 and Top Speed is 91 I think...along with his height as 187(I am assuming) and a good response.

Somehow it is very easy for him to latch on to through passes. After that with his long strides (because of his height) it is very easy for him to cover up ground easily and slot the ball easily past the keeper(his height,width,weight adds up to his balance which adds up to his finishing).

Without even making him run off the ball(with R3 joystick) with a certain technique it is possible to free him 1 on 1 vs the keeper ....that certain technique would be you play a diagonal long ball to him with full power on the passing bar.

I've faced players who have mastered the art of playing through balls to van der mirch ,those who even can't make simple passes inside their own half...all they do is spam through balls to van der mirch even with their center backs,full backs,DM :|
I've faced players who have a team strength of 770 with about 7 world class players in their starting line up but still play only Van der mirch upfront as a sole striker just to spam through balls to him.

It is ridiculous how you are pitched against teams spamming through balls to Van der Mirch and you have to concentrate your full energy on intercepting through balls to him and not enjoy your game.
 
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Soccerdude

Registered User
People complain how you play Eto'o and Martins as sole strikers upfront but you pay a salary of 150k plus per 10 matches for these 2 players.also Martins doesn't have the height,body strength advantage of van der mirch....

I don't think it is fair that you can buy the most played and game exploiting striker for 1.5 million euros with a 10 matches wages @ 50k
 
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gunnerglow

Registered User
setting the def. line to 0 most probably will not help. You need to understand that the problem lays in the pressing stat, this is how close your defenders get.... Try this

Team pressing 7-13
Def line 6
Compactness 6

Remember to LOOK at the RADAR when THEY have the ball, use the left analogue stick to select a CB and anticipate...
 
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Soccerdude

Registered User
gunnerglow said:
Remember to LOOK at the RADAR when THEY have the ball, use the left analogue stick to select a CB and anticipate...
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That is where things go wrong ...imagine you are in 70th minute of the game...your center backs would get tired and the opponent has been spamming through balls throughout the match...van der mirch is bound to go through on one or 2 occasions and free himself 1 on 1 against the keeper and because of his speed and explosive power his momentum will be transferred to his shot slotted past the keeper.

also you'd try to create attacking chances yourself and constantly switching your attention from attack to concentrating on defending van der mirch off the ball is mentally tiring...people play through balls to him even using center backs lol
 
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Hadziii

Registered User
It' starting to happen more and more, players mess up their connection just enough to automaticly abbandon the match. The worst thing is that I don't see a way for Konami to do something about this.
 
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Chazzie83

Registered User
I hate VDM i played 6 games the other day and he was in all 6 teams i would rather win in style than just hoofing the ball over the defense its frustrating always coming up against the same players.
 
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Germany_1989

Registered User
Konami really needs to do something about this shit, in the mean time I will be getting Vagner Love to counter these SOB's.
 
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