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Improvements and Problems in PES 2012

optimistic

Registered User
Hi PES gamers

I ve played the game(on ps3) for almost a month now and i would like to give my opinions about IMPROVEMENTS and PROBLEMS of PES 12.
(sorry for repetitive context which might be the same as in other threads)

Improvements:

1, Through ball pass usage is not excessive and well regulated.
In pes 2012, through ball pass is useful and harder to make
as sometimes AI might intercept but gamers can still deliver well
timed through ball passes from both wings and even right in
the middle to give AI opposition fatal blows.
In pes 2011, through ball passes were used too much and IMO
was the biggest issue ruined pes 2011.

2, In depth gameplay, you can use different tactics to play with
different teams accordingly. You can have goal scoring variety
and most goals scored are different from one another at nearly
anywhere on the pitch. In PES 2011, through ball passes will
do almost all the tricks, but in 2012, you can play your own way
even build up play is difficult.

3, AI becomes cleverer and more aggessive.
In pes 2012, AI mark your players closely and you will get chanllenged
and pressurised in the most part of the field. In pes 2011 AI will just kick the ball off the byline and give you cheap corners and throwins when pressurised.

4, Players are agile and easy to control, scoring is very satisfying.

PROBLEMS:

1, AI cheating and scripting (especially on TOPPLAYER lv) is definitely
obviously too much and annoying, IMO is the WORST issue in pes 12.

2, Weightless for kicking the ball around and passing, feel like kicking
the ball made by cotton or paper, weightless for players strenth too.

3, Players movement is like ice skating or on the rail.

4, Ball is like glued to players feet, and making tackling and defending
very very difficult, i admit a lot of players dribble like MESSI but not
all players are like that.

5, Manually use " off ball control" is tricky and hard, i mean it is very
difficult for me to use L3 and simutaneously use R3 to controll two
players, impossible for me, might need more practise. Assisted off
ball control R3+click on players who will make a run to the pointed
direction work well and usefull to create scoring chances.

6, Burst run is not fruitful, i mean most of the times i just burst run
off the byline or to the wrong path or to AI's feet, but AI can always
use burst run to their favour to out run my players.

7, Shooting feels weird and some shots lack power and directionning.

8, Hold up play works sometimes but need luck, well timed R2
releasing and tackle combined together to stop AI attackers.
On TOPPLAYER LV, hold up play is not that useful, because it will
only slow down AI and leave gaps which could be used against
you by skilled players like Villia or Messi, also there are risks for
long rangers, you just cant always use holp up play to retreat
and retreat, and will be costly when playing against top teams
like Barca or spain.

9, Through ball pass along both wings are nearly impossible to defend.
Once AI players recieve through ball passes(especially lobbed through ball) and overrun your defenders, basically there are not much you
can do to stop AI crossing overs and smashing headers, most of
the time will be a goal sometimes get lucky the ball is over the
bar; off target or saved by your keeper. If ANY GAMERS have some tips
for stopping these wing through ball passes, please help me.
Vice versa, you can also create this deadly wing though ball
passes to fuck AI opposition over, but it is not that easy.

10, The luck is mostly at AI opposition's side.(especially ON TOPPLAYER)
After clearing the ball in your box, the ball normally will go to
AI's feet and then shit will happen.......... AI can easily intercept
your passes but you can hardly do that.

11, AI free kicks are too deadly and accurate, it will piss you off
big time when you are 1 up and the game is at 90' min.

These are the IMPROVEMENTS and ISSUES that i can think of so far
there are got to be more, please share with PES gamers.

Thank you for reading this lenthy post.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL.
 
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k2daz

Registered User
THANKS FOR SHARING THIS VALUABLE INFO friend!! I'll make sure to add anything if I stumble on any issues .....although the BIGGEST ONE would be" AI CHEATING" all the damn time! Fustrating but a good practice on how to get better on PES 12..
 

ArvD*

Registered User
Fixing the "FIX" for the goalkeepers in another HIGH problem!
Shooting and passing as well which you mentioned!
 

Ravenwolf

Registered User
i Imagine headers aren t as laughably bad as in 2011 then ??

seriously, headers and volleys were abismal in last game...a dive would end with the ball being shot BACKWARDS, it was a small miracle to score from a header!

and does it still have that frustratingly high percentage of jumping scissor kicks from outside the penalty box? i mean, cmon, only Manuel negrete ever scored like taht, ONCE, and ive seen it happen up to 5 times in a game, completely unreallistic
 

optimistic

Registered User
i Imagine headers aren t as laughably bad as in 2011 then ??

seriously, headers and volleys were abismal in last game...a dive would end with the ball being shot BACKWARDS, it was a small miracle to score from a header!

and does it still have that frustratingly high percentage of jumping scissor kicks from outside the penalty box? i mean, cmon, only Manuel negrete ever scored like taht, ONCE, and ive seen it happen up to 5 times in a game, completely unreallistic

Hi

A diving header with the ball being shot BACKWARDS is a funny bug in PES 11. I have not experienced that in PES 12 as far as i can remember.

But in PES 2012, sometimes even my players have teamwork stats over 70s, when they recieve the crossing over passes from wings and they should head the ball into the net but they just miss hitting it instead then the ball fly off the goal line or byline... wtf, frustrating.

In PES 2012, I have not seen many jumping scissor kicks or related goals. In penalty box AI players just pass the ball around in very tight
spaces and that is just undefendable and obviously the part of AI cheating.
 

optimistic

Registered User
Hi, I just forgot to talk about some trival but ANNOYING problems in
PES 2012.

1, Short Cut scenes of players image being played during THROW INs.
Come on KONAMI, throw in is just throw in, why players take ages
to walk next to the byline and slowly pick up the ball then throw and
showing some players image.
why??????? why is that????? show off your efforts to improve
animations and graphics? marketing strategy to leave some spaces
to improve further next year and make more money?
KONAMI, pleaaaaaaaaaaaase GET RID OF THIS SHIT ASAP!

2, AI players stay down right on top of the ball(the ball is underneath AI player's body, and it takes 1or2 seconds for your player to get to the ball, when you actually take the ball, very likely AI will snatch it, occationally AI will take advantage of this situation and launch a quick counter. I think no PES gamers like this.

3, REPLAY of useless things during matches. PES gamers, I dont know
about you, but i really hate seeing REPLAY of AI opposition scoring
cheated goals let alone celebrating it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also pointless REPLAYs for FOULS committed, Free kicks, set piece
takers putting the balll on the pitch then stare at the goal. NO NEED
to REPLAY shots being off target or on the bar too IMO. IF anyone
likes the REPLAY for everything, fine, there should be an OPTION
enabling you to ON or OFF REPLAYs.

The ONLY REPAY I want is the process of my scored goals or my
goals resulted by CORNERS, FREE KICKS, or deflections etc.

4, NO POWER or WEIGHT for CLEARING the ball away.
When I am under seige of AI opposition, once I get the ball, i just
want to clear it away as far as the ball can go, better if to OPPOSITION HALF regardless of my player's KICKING POWER. But it is
not what i want it to be.... instead, no matter how hard I press
square, the ball just softly fly up skyhigh then fall into AI
player's feet and the damn ball still end up with being in your own
half. RIDICULOUS

I ll add more info about this when i think of more.

By the way thank you guys for replying to my threat.

HAVE FUN WIHT THE GAME
 

stingo

Registered User
I can not agree more with the OP on all points. New things which were said and are the problems.

1. Burst run sucks 2. intercepting the ball hard for human and easy for ai 3. deadly through ball passes on the wings driving me nuts too because impossible to defend. 4. too much on the rail running is frustrating

I can add a few more.

The ai has hyper reactions to block every damn shot.

Interceptions when I throw the ball in. Your player should run and get the ball, but ai player constantly intercepts it.

I can not do a knuckle shot because it takes so long to do and is blocked most of the time and even if successful it will hit someone in the box. Regular shots from the penalty box are blocked to much too. Too many stupid deflection and own goals.

7-9 players in the penalty box with super reactions is freaking impossible to break in.

If Ai is in high pressure mode I can not score under any circumstances. They never make mistakes and just relentlessly push forward until they score. They don't stop or get tired until final whistle or they score. I find it is often easier to win if you concede a goal and then they may calm down a bit and you may score 2-4 after that.
 

optimistic

Registered User
They never make mistakes and just relentlessly push forward until they score. They don't stop or get tired until final whistle or they score. I find it is often easier to win if you concede a goal and then they may calm down a bit and you may score 2-4 after that.

Hi there

what you said is so true, i hope KONAMI staff can read these posts
carefully and deliver some geniune IMPROVEMENTS in pes 2013.

I actually think PES 2011 game engine is quite good, although players
movement is a bit slow, turning is stiff, etc. But players movement
look more realistic than in PES 12 and in PES 2011 you can feel the
player's WEIGHT and STRENTH as well as for passing and shooting.
If KONAMI can polish PES 2011 engine here and there, PES 12 will
be a better game IMO.

Maybe it is time for KONAMI to hire a new top class PROGRAMMER who loves and knows SOCCER, obove all: understand what PES gamers really
want with PES games. I guess perhaps KONAMI lacks in the field of
AI and IT advanced high technology which should fix AI CHEATING and
SCRIPTING that have been going on for years since PS2 gen.

KONAMI needs changes in many aspects, but i think FIXING AI CHEATING should be their primary objective for making PES better.

NOW i have to live with the fact that there are only 2 good footie
video games out there in the world: FIFA 12 and PES 12.
If you dont like both of them, you ll live through year 2012 without
playing any good scoccer video games.
I choose to play PES 2012 for quite a while, not meaning the game
is great, meaning I can play PES 12 to score goals and win matches, then i feel good and PES 12 becomes good, for PES 2012 game itself, it is just an average soccer game ( my rating: 6.0/10.0).
I mean you cant score heading goals in LA .Noire, can you?

So i ll play PES 12 to have some fun.
 

stingo

Registered User
I think "scripting" or as I see it these surges of high/extreme pressure from cpu are fine, but it has to be toned down significantly and they should make it more sophisticated. It should not be endless through entire match as if cpu decided to win no matter what. It does win because of that way to often. It is not realistic
if I know I can't win at all.
 

Boca Junior

Registered User
-Ref waits to give the faul till someone touch the ball, no matter how hard the tackle is
Its stupid to see. Make a hard tackle on the cpu and just let him get the bal agian and no faul. If you get the ball first its a faul and a yellow card

-Cpu can do everything and you only struggle. Cpu only needs to walk next to you player to get him of balance. While for you its imposeble the to do the same. Theres some sort of invisible wall, so the cpu just walk by you.

-You only win header when the cpu hasthe rebound. Else you lose

-Shooting is broke, you press left the shot goes right. Where is the weight of the ball, there is no joy in scoring a goal cause konami scores it for you. A shame

-passing is broke, what is the poi t of a power bar when it doesnt do anything. A full power bar gives a hard pas one time while the other time its just a real soft pas

-konami just puts your defender on a rail and guide it past his attacker.

And there is so much more. This could be an awesome game. But no komani has to take all the good from pes2011 and give us this. Why......

With some things i can live, but the passing and shooting.
Damn konami.........
 

JuventusKing

Registered User
even with the new patch , the shooting absolutely stinks! i have played the ProEvo franchise for 5 yrs now and the shot aiming in this game is awful. Most of the time the ball goes over the bar or way wide. No matter how i aim left , right softly tap shot. It does not feel like you have control over the ball. If i shot 10 times from inside the box , i don't expect to score.But 80% of the time i think i should at least put it on net. Sloppy.
 

abu97

Registered User
And don't you find it weird that every rickashay goes to the better team?
Also pes 2012 is very sloppy in regard to things like your own players intercepting your own goal throws or when you shoot low, for some reason your own player ducks and blocks it or when two defenders are trying to clear the ball and hey stumble with each other.

Irritating bugs like this stops the game from being free-flowing
 
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