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Liverpool

Is 10/11 going to be Liverpool's season?


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chelsea11

Registered User
They're both c*nts to be honest. Evra wound him up, and incited it in a way. But Suarez should know not to say anything like that, and deserves what he got.

Saying 'You're European' in response to 'South American' is ridiculous. One is far more negatively associated than the other, so it wouldn't be a balanced insult as such.
 

Joel

Administrator
Staff member
I just hope by contrast Terry gets slapped with a career-ending ban.

But he won't because he's English.

I hate Liverpool. I need to get out of this thread.

He will be banned. Probably worse too, as it went through to the police and then passed onto the prosecutors.

The fact that no one likes him will not help him with his sentence.
 

StringerBell

Registered User
Care to explain how such a lengthy ban is just and fare when it comes solely from this “Don’t touch me, you South American,’’ Evra is alleged to have said. To which, the Uruguayan replied: “Porque, Negrito?’’

How does one party who is reacting to a statement receive an 8 match ban (when it should be noted that Luis was trying to make nice with Evra in the inital embrace) and the other guy gets nothing in fact he becomes a one sided victim when that term doesn't even mean black in the literal sense in Uruguay? The FA needs to release the other evidence (if there is anything) to justify this. If they have nothing than an 8 matches simply based on this exchange alone is excessive to say the least.

Chairman of anti-racism group Kick It Out Herman Ouseley said:

“This charge is not saying Luis Suarez is a racist. It’s saying, on this occasion, he used racist language. It doesn’t make him a bad guy – he needs to learn what is acceptable.”

That almost suggests that he could have inadvertently used racist language; he needs to learn that words have different meanings in England. So guilty of misconduct yes perhaps guilty of racism no not really...

If legitimate evidence is shown that Suarez is a racist fine throw the book at him and dump him. This is not some sort of black and white issue the truth of this is somewhere in the middle. Attaching the word Racist next to his name (which at this point will follow him for quite some time) explain why to us, show us the proof. What we are left with is "he did it because Patrice said so" even though not one other player or official heard anything. I just find it ridiculous how Luis can supposedly say something 10 times and no one hears it. Cameras everywhere officials players yet absolutely no one on either side has any comment other than a shrug of the shoulders.
 

Sminky

Registered User
LFC said:
We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.

You have to admit it, Scouse or not, its a good point.
 

Sminky

Registered User
C'mon. This was investigated for over two months. There is no way it would have come down to just Evra's word alone.

Indeed ... where's the hard evidence and findings though? Until all the details are released it does look ropey.
 

Joel

Administrator
Staff member
Indeed ... where's the hard evidence and findings though? Until all the details are released it does look ropey.

Fair do's. I understand that.

I can't believe how hard StringerBell is defending Suarez though. He must he a member from RAWK.
 

Sminky

Registered User
Fair do's. I understand that.

I can't believe how hard StringerBell is defending Suarez though. He must he a member from RAWK.

Personally I'm glad we take racism very seriously in this country now. I feel we have a more enlightened attitude than most countries.
 

u1tradt

Registered User
I don't know what your problem is Joel. You're just bashing anyone who happens to disagree with you here.

I'm not saying Suarez is some saint or something. If I was a defender playing against him I'd find it extremely hard to not punch him in the balls while marking him. All I'm saying is that the punishment is excessive and unjustified; the FA were looking for a scapegoat, it seems, and have railed in on Suarez who just happened to do something they deem racist at this particular time.

I don't understand how calling someone 'negro' can be seen as racist. It just means black, that's it. I call my black friends all sorts of obscenities regarding their race the same way I do with my white and asian friends, and they do the same to me. Does that make me or them racist?

For example, let's look at the Terry case. There are only two things he could have said there. He either said 'black cunt' or 'blind cunt'. Let's assume for the time being he said the former. If the FA throw the book at him then on what grounds are they calling it racial abuse? Is Ferdinand not black?

Suppose someone called Rooney a 'bald cunt' at some point last season. What category of abuse does that fall under? Was he not bald? Would people be calling for the FA to throw the book at the perpetrator in that scenario? People wouldn't even though Rooney's baldness is simply down to genetics and is no fault of his own.

As I mentioned previously, Rooney spouts an unbelievable amount of abuse towards players and officials alike. Most of the time what he says is much worse than a simple 'so-and-so cunt'. But it seems to me he gets away with it as the officials look at it as a heat of the moment thing and place it down to adrenaline. I say bollocks to all that. His verbal sportsmanship stinks and any kid who can lip-read a little bit will pick up on his verbal abuse during games - even to referees. What kind of example is that setting to the pre-adolescent football fan who will one day become a PL team regular? That he should tell the ref or linesman to 'fuck off' whenever he gets a warning from them and to tell every single viewer the same after scoring a hat trick or something similar.

But they don't do a damn thing. He is british. The board at the FA also happens to be british. Maybe it's racist in it's own way that they let this repeat offender get away with so much while scapegoating a foreigner with very little grounds.

This is all I'm saying. This situation only raises a bunch of questions for me and gives very little answers. It's just not consistent from the FA's point of view. It seems that it's only in light of the whole Terry situation recently and Sepp Blatter's comments afterwards that they felt forced to play their hand and show everyone "Look at us, we're not racist at all and know racism exists in football. And we're going to throw the book at anyone who even brings race into an argument on the pitch from here on out."

It's bullshit. Plain and simple. Suarez is a lot of things but I don't see him as the racist type. He tries to get under everyone's skin because he knows he's good at it. That's part of what makes him such a great player, that he so often manages to get into players' heads and force them to make silly mistakes. If this is something that ends up driving him away from the league then it's the PL that misses out, not him.
 

Joel

Administrator
Staff member
I don't know what your problem is Joel. You're just bashing anyone who happens to disagree with you here.

I'm only bashing idiotic statements.

I'm not saying Suarez is some saint or something. If I was a defender playing against him I'd find it extremely hard to not punch him in the balls while marking him. All I'm saying is that the punishment is excessive and unjustified; the FA were looking for a scapegoat, it seems, and have railed in on Suarez who just happened to do something they deem racist at this particular time.

It's not excessive at all. He's lucky it's not longer. Kicking racism out of the game isn't banning someone for 8 games.

Your scapegoat comment is ridiculous.

I don't understand how calling someone 'negro' can be seen as racist. It just means black, that's it. I call my black friends all sorts of obscenities regarding their race the same way I do with my white and asian friends, and they do the same to me. Does that make me or them racist?

Of course your friends make nothing of it. But would you go down the street and say it to the first black person who walked past? Of course you wouldn't, just like I wouldn't shout "you white so and so" to a white person. The context in which it is used is offensive and that is why it is deemed a racist slur.

For example, let's look at the Terry case. There are only two things he could have said there. He either said 'black cunt' or 'blind cunt'. Let's assume for the time being he said the former. If the FA throw the book at him then on what grounds are they calling it racial abuse? Is Ferdinand not black?

Again, it's the context in how he used it. Why couldn't he just call him a cunt? He's pinned black to a negative word. He's being negative. He's being abusive. It's racist.

If I called a disabled person a "stupid cripple" is it not discrimination?

Suppose someone called Rooney a 'bald cunt' at some point last season. What category of abuse does that fall under? Was he not bald? Would people be calling for the FA to throw the book at the perpetrator in that scenario? People wouldn't even though Rooney's baldness is simply down to genetics and is no fault of his own.



As I mentioned previously, Rooney spouts an unbelievable amount of abuse towards players and officials alike. Most of the time what he says is much worse than a simple 'so-and-so cunt'. But it seems to me he gets away with it as the officials look at it as a heat of the moment thing and place it down to adrenaline. I say bollocks to all that. His verbal sportsmanship stinks and any kid who can lip-read a little bit will pick up on his verbal abuse during games - even to referees. What kind of example is that setting to the pre-adolescent football fan who will one day become a PL team regular? That he should tell the ref or linesman to 'fuck off' whenever he gets a warning from them and to tell every single viewer the same after scoring a hat trick or something similar.

But they don't do a damn thing. He is british. The board at the FA also happens to be british. Maybe it's racist in it's own way that they let this repeat offender get away with so much while scapegoating a foreigner with very little grounds.

How can you compare telling someone to "fuck off" to "you're a black cunt"?

This is getting silly now.

This is all I'm saying. This situation only raises a bunch of questions for me and gives very little answers. It's just not consistent from the FA's point of view. It seems that it's only in light of the whole Terry situation recently and Sepp Blatter's comments afterwards that they felt forced to play their hand and show everyone "Look at us, we're not racist at all and know racism exists in football. And we're going to throw the book at anyone who even brings race into an argument on the pitch from here on out."

Where are the inconsistencies in this? Suarez (Liverpool), Evra (United) and the FA each got to pick one member of the panel. The panel found Suarez guilty. The FA then decided on the length of the ban. People are acting like the FA has made the decision, but it's not just them.

It's bullshit. Plain and simple. Suarez is a lot of things but I don't see him as the racist type. He tries to get under everyone's skin because he knows he's good at it. That's part of what makes him such a great player, that he so often manages to get into players' heads and force them to make silly mistakes. If this is something that ends up driving him away from the league then it's the PL that misses out, not him.

Maybe he is not racist, but he has used a racial slur. And for that he must be punished. Get the fuck over it.
 

Bammers05

Registered User
I don't understand how calling someone 'negro' can be seen as racist. It just means black, that's it. I call my black friends all sorts of obscenities regarding their race the same way I do with my white and asian friends, and they do the same to me. Does that make me or them racist?

It's different though tbf. You and your friends know that you mean it in a jovial way and not to cause offence, whereas, with two people who are effectively strangers, that wouldn't be the case. I mean you wouldn't go up to some randomer in the street and say something racist to them, even if it, when you said the same thing to your friends, they just took it as a joke.

I think you also have to remember that footballers are in the public eye. They can't be seen to be using racist terms, however accidental or unintentional, and be allowed to get away with it. Surely you can see how that would send out the wrong message?

For example, let's look at the Terry case. There are only two things he could have said there. He either said 'black cunt' or 'blind cunt'. Let's assume for the time being he said the former. If the FA throw the book at him then on what grounds are they calling it racial abuse? Is Ferdinand not black?

It's about the context, I think. Terry called him a cunt, so he obviously meant it as an insult and, in that case, why add the 'black' part, if that wasn't meant in a derogatory way? Why not just call him a cunt? While Ferdinand is black, in this context, the use of the word 'black' can be construed as racist.

Suppose someone called Rooney a 'bald cunt' at some point last season. What category of abuse does that fall under? Was he not bald? Would people be calling for the FA to throw the book at the perpetrator in that scenario? People wouldn't even though Rooney's baldness is simply down to genetics and is no fault of his own.

That's an interesting point. I suppose, due to it's history and the fact that it's discrimination against a whole race, racism is seen as being a lot more serious than 'baldism'. It's an interesting argument though - where do we draw the line with regards to what's 'acceptable' abuse and what's not?[/QUOTE]

As I mentioned previously, Rooney spouts an unbelievable amount of abuse towards players and officials alike. Most of the time what he says is much worse than a simple 'so-and-so cunt'. But it seems to me he gets away with it as the officials look at it as a heat of the moment thing and place it down to adrenaline. I say bollocks to all that. His verbal sportsmanship stinks and any kid who can lip-read a little bit will pick up on his verbal abuse during games - even to referees. What kind of example is that setting to the pre-adolescent football fan who will one day become a PL team regular? That he should tell the ref or linesman to 'fuck off' whenever he gets a warning from them and to tell every single viewer the same after scoring a hat trick or something similar.

But they don't do a damn thing. He is british. The board at the FA also happens to be british. Maybe it's racist in it's own way that they let this repeat offender get away with so much while scapegoating a foreigner with very little grounds.

I seem to remember Rooney getting a ban for swearing last season.

This is all I'm saying. This situation only raises a bunch of questions for me and gives very little answers. It's just not consistent from the FA's point of view. It seems that it's only in light of the whole Terry situation recently and Sepp Blatter's comments afterwards that they felt forced to play their hand and show everyone "Look at us, we're not racist at all and know racism exists in football. And we're going to throw the book at anyone who even brings race into an argument on the pitch from here on out."

I've heard this argument from a lot of Liverpool fans. So did you agree, at the time, with Blatter when he said racism on the pitch could be resolved with a handshake? Personally, regardless of who's said what, I'm just glad the FA are taking a strong stance on racism.

I really do hope though that IF Terry is found guilty, he gets a ban of similar length, otherwise, I, like you, will be questioning the FA.
 

StringerBell

Registered User
You have to admit it, Scouse or not, its a good point.

It is and honestly why would Liverpool come out so vehemently against this if they knew that really the FA has no evidence other than that single horrific conversation You know I'd be happy if Evra received a similar ban like Suarez. Send the message out dont say stupid shit at all anything can be taken for racism just shut up play football. Letting Evra off from all of this makes the FA look stupid. SO whatever I've made my stance on this hopefully more details will come out...
 

Appswah

Registered User
It is and honestly why would Liverpool come out so vehemently against this if they knew that really the FA has no evidence other than that single horrific conversation You know I'd be happy if Evra received a similar ban like Suarez. Send the message out dont say stupid shit at all anything can be taken for racism just shut up play football. Letting Evra off from all of this makes the FA look stupid. SO whatever I've made my stance on this hopefully more details will come out...

:facepalm:

I hate this whole "The FA have no evidence" even though Suarez himself has admitted it.

So you think Evra should have a similar ban for;

a) Calling Suarez a 'South American'
b) Being the Victim of Racism.
 

StringerBell

Registered User
Show me please where Suarez admits to being a racist because thats what the FA is charging him with... I'll wait. No what he admits to saying is the dialogue thats been quoted above "negrito" which has a different meaning in Latin America. But what about how Suarez said something 10 times wheres the evidence for that? In that same game Evra supposedly told the ref "you're only booking me because I'm black" what a paranoid idiot if this was true. But you know what theres no evidence of this just like there is no evidence of Suarez going on some sort of Hitler like rant 10 times.

How can you not see how in that context Evra was using Luis's background as a negative? Imagine if Suarez was Arab "dont touch me you Arab" that just sounds so friendly doesn't it? No harm done there at all. I guess you cant be racist towards South Americans right? If the FA can ignore Evra's jab at Suarez thats hypocrisy.
 
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