Considering the events regarding racism over the last few months, I don't see how it's ridiculous. The FA were itching to throw the book at someone as a public display of their stance on the subject. They went a little too far in my opinion.It's not excessive at all. He's lucky it's not longer. Kicking racism out of the game isn't banning someone for 8 games.
Your scapegoat comment is ridiculous.
Fair play. I suppose that part doesn't belong in this argument.Of course your friends make nothing of it. But would you go down the street and say it to the first black person who walked past? Of course you wouldn't, just like I wouldn't shout "you white so and so" to a white person. The context in which it is used is offensive and that is why it is deemed a racist slur.
Now, see, this is exactly what I was talking about when I said the idea of equality is a joke nowadays. Even if he just called him a cunt, is that okay? What's the real difference between telling someone to 'fuck off' or calling them a 'black cunt'? They are both forms of discrimination are they not? Yes, bringing race into it is taking it a step higher, but that doesn't justify a lesser form of discrimination; it should be wrong in any form.Again, it's the context in how he used it. Why couldn't he just call him a cunt? He's pinned black to a negative word. He's being negative. He's being abusive. It's racist.
If I called a disabled person a "stupid cripple" is it not discrimination?
How can you compare telling someone to "fuck off" to "you're a black cunt"?
This is getting silly now.
I wasn't referring to that when I said inconsistencies.Where are the inconsistencies in this? Suarez (Liverpool), Evra (United) and the FA each got to pick one member of the panel. The panel found Suarez guilty. The FA then decided on the length of the ban. People are acting like the FA has made the decision, but it's not just them.
Of course, I understand that. But this deserved a 3 game ban at the most. If Rooney can get away with a 3 game ban for telling everyone watching to 'fuck off' three times then surely Suarez can get away with a similar punishment IF he was indeed found to be using racist language - which I think highly unlikely still, I'm afraid. This is why I think they're using him as a scapegoat because they needed someone to make an example of with relatively little backlash as soon as the opportunity presented itself.I think you also have to remember that footballers are in the public eye. They can't be seen to be using racist terms, however accidental or unintentional, and be allowed to get away with it. Surely you can see how that would send out the wrong message?
I acknowledge your points there. But what if Terry had never said what he said. What if, instead, Ferdinand shouted 'Yeah, yeah? Ugly cunt. Knobhead.' Would Ferdinand suddenly be put under investigation for discriminating the very nature of a person's physical appearance? (Even though that same definition applies to racism, but for the general public it's okay since it doesn't talk about the colour of your skin) I find it highly unlikely. That's another reason why punishing Terry for what he said proves nothing in the end, for me. There's a lot of worse discrimination going on in football, both at home and abroad.It's about the context, I think. Terry called him a cunt, so he obviously meant it as an insult and, in that case, why add the 'black' part, if that wasn't meant in a derogatory way? Why not just call him a cunt? While Ferdinand is black, in this context, the use of the word 'black' can be construed as racist.
Personally, I just see it as a cockney thing anyway. Cockneys tend to generalise the black population and a significant portion of them are racist anyway. But I think this was a culture thing, as ridiculous as it may sound. I don't see Terry as the racist type either anyway.
Exactly. This is my question too. Where do you draw the line?It's an interesting argument though - where do we draw the line with regards to what's 'acceptable' abuse and what's not?
If I'm honest, in the context of the Suarez thing it seems like a slap on the wrist now.I seem to remember Rooney getting a ban for swearing last season.
No, of course not. He was delusional when he said that. But what happened between Suarez and Evra seems like something that wouldn't have got any attention until Evra started playing the victim. Then the timing of it all seems to have swung the whole thing in both his and the FA's favour. Ironic, I would say.I've heard this argument from a lot of Liverpool fans. So did you agree, at the time, with Blatter when he said racism on the pitch could be resolved with a handshake?