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Manchester United

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ArtisanWenger

Registered User
You will still be shit next season.

We will still finish above you in the league,you are not even in the Champions League,who cares if you won a petty cup with luck or not.

Say you had finished 4th and won the fa cup,you could have claimed a better seaso than us.
 

Joel

Administrator
Staff member
You will still be shit next season.

We will still finish above you in the league,you are not even in the Champions League,who cares if you won a petty cup with luck or not.

Say you had finished 4th and won the fa cup,you could have claimed a better seaso than us.
Didn't you used to say that same cup was going to propel you to the Premier League title?
 

Ziss

The Three Amigos
Didn't you used to say that same cup was going to propel you to the Premier League title?
He probably did. I'm not saying we had a better season than Arsenal, as ours was pretty shit, but we won more than them and that's a fahct.



You will still be shit next season.

We will still finish above you in the league,you are not even in the Champions League,who cares if you won a petty cup with luck or not.

Say you had finished 4th and won the fa cup,you could have claimed a better seaso than us.
If it's a petty cup, how does finishing 4th make it any different? We know our level, and not being in the CL is probably a good thing as it saves us getting spanked. I can only dream of the day where we've gone over a decade without winning the league and we think we can take on Barcelona and advance :no:
 

ArtisanWenger

Registered User
We will still finish above you and even if Jose is a success,the team will break down by the 3rd,in this case 4th season since you will probably be really successful by your fergie standards in your 3rd season...then what will you do?Let him kick people out,rebuild..spend 100s of millions again or appoint giggs on a 3 year contract,hope fully you do that...you will go down for a long time like Liverpool.

Personally do you think you will make top 4?

I see us and Guardiola definitely being top 4,he already has worldclass first team assuming Laporte is signed:

Aguero

Sterling KDB Silva

Gundogan Nasri

Clichy Kompany Laporte Sagna

Hart.

He can make some more chopping and changing in January as well and fill some depth.

Klopp and Liverpool with no europe at all should get a spot.

Chelsea and Conte if they click should get the last spot or it will be a battle between you,Chelsea,Tottenham who if they give zero shits about europe again can probably get the 4th spot ahead of you.

I see you finishing 5th at best,your best hope would be to win the Europa League and get back in the CHampions league.

Feel free to disagree.
 

Ziss

The Three Amigos
We will still finish above you and even if Jose is a success,the team will break down by the 3rd,in this case 4th season since you will probably be really successful by your fergie standards in your 3rd season...then what will you do?Let him kick people out,rebuild..spend 100s of millions again or appoint giggs on a 3 year contract,hope fully you do that...you will go down for a long time like Liverpool.

Personally do you think you will make top 4?

I see us and Guardiola definitely being top 4,he already has worldclass first team assuming Laporte is signed:

Aguero

Sterling KDB Silva

Gundogan Nasri

Clichy Kompany Laporte Sagna

Hart.

He can make some more chopping and changing in January as well and fill some depth.

Klopp and Liverpool with no europe at all should get a spot.

Chelsea and Conte if they click should get the last spot or it will be a battle between you,Chelsea,Tottenham who if they give zero shits about europe again can probably get the 4th spot ahead of you.

I see you finishing 5th at best,your best hope would be to win the Europa League and get back in the CHampions league.

Feel free to disagree.
I skimmed this before reading and saw Nasri in centre midfield for a Guardiola Man City so didn't bother reading it properly.
 

Lörd TH

Registered User
He probably did. I'm not saying we had a better season than Arsenal, as ours was pretty shit, but we won more than them and that's a fahct.

Arsenal won the English Super Champions trophy...so we were equal on silverware this season.
 

rebelinho

Moderator
Well and jose bashing his players,,hey whats new and so it starts.
Because he soooo wrong in saying that...

https://twitter.com/FootballExpose/status/774604323112095748

And just so you know, he said something along the lines of "if I knew what was going to happen, I'd never start those players. I thought they'd give me something they didn't. And who's to blame? Me!, because I'm the one who made that decision and put them there on the pitch". Yes, he bashed them. And yes, he admit is guilt in a very "fuck all" way. Doesn't mean he's wrong.
 

ArtisanWenger

Registered User
Yeah thats great,he had to air his dirty laundry like the rest dont,refer to guardiola when asked about claudio bravo...this is what ultimately leads to fall outs,not every player is supermature and takes it in a good way.You dont need to tell me what he said,i saw his post match interview,he blamed his players and agreed that he is at fault very sarcastically.
 

Joel

Administrator
Staff member
I actually kind of agree with Meyyappan here. It's far too early in his reign for him to be saying things like "they didn't give me what I wanted". He should have just said he got the line up wrong. And he really, really did get it wrong.
 

rebelinho

Moderator
I actually kind of agree with Meyyappan here. It's far too early in his reign for him to be saying things like "they didn't give me what I wanted". He should have just said he got the line up wrong. And he really, really did get it wrong.
Answer me this then: yes, he made a mistake. He trusted his players, but it went wrong. So...

- Is he the one to blame because he chose "bad" players (and if the players are bad, why are they there? Who's to blame for that?)

- Are both the ones to blame because a) he chose the wrong players because b) they were supposed to be better (had it gone well, we wouldn't be discussing this; regardless Mou's options)

- Are the players the ones the blame, because they were expected to fulfil a role and despite doing so in the training (Mou's not stupid), failed to deal with the pressure/whatever and failed in the actual game.

Yes, he was inelegant, if you want it that way. He could be diverting the blame. He could have said it with other words. But for sure the players are to blame at least as much as Mou. They are the ones who do the running. Even if Mou is the one who allowed them to.
 

Joel

Administrator
Staff member
I'd say he is to blame because choosing Mkhitaryan and Lingard when they have been lacking match fitness in a game of such high intensity as that was pretty daft. Especially Mkhitaryan who he has had ample chance to give him his debut start. So to throw him into this game when he is no where he probably has never played in such a frantic match was just poor decision making by Mourinho.

But even so, my point is that it's way too early for him to be making those comments. He's just come through the door. Yes, his reputation is massive, but he hasn't done shit at United and he's coming off a disastrous spell at Chelsea. He should be trying to get the players on his side, after LvG was reportedly very hard on them. I'm not saying to baby them, but he should protect them. That's what he used to do, but the third season at Madrid has changed him a lot.
 

ArtisanWenger

Registered User
No,its not about who was at fault,its about keeping the team united and moving on especially when we know that Managers with history will receive a lot of backing from the United hierarchy,like van gaal did...it was not an unavoidable question either but he had to bash players he himself started,its a bit like distancing yourself from the team,we win together but you lose alone atleast its still better than i win alone but you lose alone moreever he has been here for 5 games,way too early to say things like certain individuals,he could just say the team didnt work as he expected to...rebelinho anyways..this is the reason he has been falling out at and since madrid,he used to protect his players at inter and his first chelsea stint.
 

rebelinho

Moderator
But even so, my point is that it's way too early for him to be making those comments. He's just come through the door. Yes, his reputation is massive, but he hasn't done shit at United and he's coming off a disastrous spell at Chelsea. He should be trying to get the players on his side, after LvG was reportedly very hard on them. I'm not saying to baby them, but he should protect them. That's what he used to do, but the third season at Madrid has changed him a lot.
Agreed, specially the Madrid part. Even if he's right (or wrong, doesn't matter for this), he should have talked to the players behind closed doors, not to the press.

this is the reason he has been falling out at and since madrid,he used to protect his players at inter and his first chelsea stint.
I suppose he learned that it just isn't worth it? At Madrid it sure wasn't.
 

Ziss

The Three Amigos
Tried to second guess Guardiola by starting Henrik and Jesse over Martial and Mata, backfired. I've no problem him coming out and bashing players, without naming any, but too many didn't show up for a big game but it's not the first time it's happened. Guardiola may have come out and defended Bravo, but the guy's not stupid, he knows he had a shocker (and was lucky not to be sent off). It's easy to defend players when you've just won a game, not put in an AWFUL first 40 minutes and effectively lost the game then.

Rashford, btw :excited: Needed to start yesterday, needs to do more so next weekend.

EDIT: Also, just because he said one thing to the press doesn't mean he said the same to the players (perhaps he did to one or two). Remember SAF's way would be to blame something other than the players, but you knew he would have laid in to them if need be behind closed doors. It's one game FFS, when this happens through to May then I'll start to worry. Mourinho got his selection wrong, and a number of players were completely off the pace.
 

ArtisanWenger

Registered User
Rashford obviously needs to start and deserves to but then Zlatan adds a lot of character to the team and is your best player so what are you guys going to do?

Play rashford on the wing?Martial and Jose have trouble over his defensive duties and ironically mata seems to be doing a stellar job for Jose.

What do you mean 2nd guessing Pep?He played his usual starting 11 with Iheanacho coming in for Aguero,pep wont change things around for one game when he is trying to build something and get people follow his philosophy when they are improving game by game and only 4 games in,can anyone 2nd guess that wrong?

Until he gets his first team performing exactly as he wants for a series of matches and his subs,rest of the squad seamlessly fitting in..he wont be making major changes for a single game.We can expect that only from the second half of the season.
 

Ziss

The Three Amigos
What do you mean 2nd guessing Pep?He played his usual starting 11 with Iheanacho coming in for Aguero,pep wont change things around for one game when he is trying to build something and get people follow his philosophy when they are improving game by game and only 4 games in,can anyone 2nd guess that wrong?
He picked Henrik and Lingard over Mata and Martial I assume to give more defensive cover, only problem is both lacked match fitness, didn't press enough and generally played shit. He got his selection completely wrong.

Need a career ending injury on Rooney, but sadly been waiting years for that and it doesn't seem to be coming :crymore:
 

rebelinho

Moderator
I'm not the biggest fan of De Gea, but I'm not dumb. One doesn't have to like something to properly evaluate it. He's a great goalkeeper, one of the best of his generation for sure. And this save... Oh my.

https://streamable.com/vgw2

Also, a more than deserved shout to Ander Herrera's incredibly annoying display. He was that good. He has always been, just not in the defensive side of the game.
 
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