No wingbacks?!?!?
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gunnerglow
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It does seem silly to remove the position, There is a definate differance between a RB and a RWB IMO.
This would not be a problem if we had sliders for each individual player, why they do not implement this idea i really do not know. Individual player instructions are a must for every manager, why not on PES?
This would not be a problem if we had sliders for each individual player, why they do not implement this idea i really do not know. Individual player instructions are a must for every manager, why not on PES?
BuddhaBone
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CheatersSuck
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I was just about to make a thread like this. Removing agility, shot technique, and now wingbacks?
The notion that wingbacks are not used in football today is the most outrageous claim I have heard in a while. No, top 3 outrageous things I have heard in the past decade. Actually, disregard that, it is not the most outrageous thing I have heard in a while because if it was, that would mean that I am, in some shape or form, dignifying such a ridiculous and oblivious claim. (and I apologize if that claim was sarcastic)
I cannot see any upsides to removing the wingback position, especially considering the fact that the removed the player arrows to adjust the attacking/defensive mindset of individual players.
The notion that wingbacks are not used in football today is the most outrageous claim I have heard in a while. No, top 3 outrageous things I have heard in the past decade. Actually, disregard that, it is not the most outrageous thing I have heard in a while because if it was, that would mean that I am, in some shape or form, dignifying such a ridiculous and oblivious claim. (and I apologize if that claim was sarcastic)
I cannot see any upsides to removing the wingback position, especially considering the fact that the removed the player arrows to adjust the attacking/defensive mindset of individual players.
CheatersSuck
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yah true, that helps though I still would want the actual position.
StringerBell
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word, I used wingbacks when I play with Fiorentina and I'm pretty sure the real team utilizes that position from time to time.
Sminky
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Against 4-3-3 you'll get raped using that. I just change my full-backs to side midfielders by my centre backs and use two defensive midfielders to cover the spaces. Job's a good 'un.
Sabatasso
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Sminky, you are aware that you have 4 different tactics and strategies at disposal?
I use all of them, one which have my backs on the halfway line, two has the backs "normal" and the last got them completely on line with the defenders and very narrow. I am using a very defensive center midfield rather than a pure DMC, because they don't fall so deep when I am under pressure.
Safe to say that I switch strategy twice or more each half, as it also brings on a lot of unpredictable runs offensively. I mostly switch between Possession and Quick Counter, and the formations are the same, but different... if you know what I mean.
I use all of them, one which have my backs on the halfway line, two has the backs "normal" and the last got them completely on line with the defenders and very narrow. I am using a very defensive center midfield rather than a pure DMC, because they don't fall so deep when I am under pressure.
Safe to say that I switch strategy twice or more each half, as it also brings on a lot of unpredictable runs offensively. I mostly switch between Possession and Quick Counter, and the formations are the same, but different... if you know what I mean.
maggio was 88 at pes 2011 and his highest stat was his stamina which was 82 which is weird so it was basically messed up so to make things less complicated they did the right things to remove it and add the card offensive fullback which technically is the same. now maggio has a realistic overall 80 aswell as being an offensive fullback. job done
Sminky
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Similar systems to which I use although I never push my back line too high (fnar fnar) as I rarely have centre-backs with pace to cover the acres of space behind them. I'm slightly disappointed they removed the wingback role, outdated or not it was still a unique and nice touch by Konami but then it wouldn't be PES if they didn't needlessly remove something.
Sminky
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As someone who regularly used wingbacks on PES2011 thats just not true. There is a difference and everything is worth complaining about in one sense or another.
Also it makes no monetary or space difference having wingbacks in the game. It may seem a pointless conversation but generally posting on a forum about a video game is too.
Personally, I'd like to see Konami reinstate it.
Randiesel75
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Can I assume your 2 tactics dubbed as normal are using either Possession or Counter. Then for the tactic where your backs are at midfield is another Counter setup. Last, for the backs deep in defense is also while on Possession?
Now, for the Counter and Possession, are you going with the default on these or also manually adjusting them (lines, spacing, support, etc...).
Sabatasso
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In PES12, pushing too high up even with extremely fast center backs is deadly. I rarely go above 12, and I usually stay at 10. 8 when shutting up shop.
I don't use the predefined strategies, I don't find them suiting my playstyle.
"normal" setting first, then offensive and defensive alternatives in the brackets.
Standard Tactic
Player Support 15 (+3 and -3)
Support Range 8 (+2 and +4)
Position Switch 7 (I never change it)
Attacking Style 6 (-3 and +2)
Pressing 10 (I never change it)
Defensive Line 10 (+1 or +2 and -2)
Compactness 6 (I never change it)
442 or 433
With this strategy I play a mix between counter attack, and quick passing game. Depending on the situation, and varying the 4 Presets to fit each type of attack.
That's how I go about it, and it works well for me. I average at 24-3 goals per 10 games at Top Player. 17-2 in 4 online matches so far. Although the opposition is questionable.
Sminky
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@Sabatasso
I tried my luck with fullbacks on the half way line, actually works alot better on PES2012 than it did with PES2011. Using Bayern I played 4-5-1 but played Schweinsteiger as CMF quarterback just behind my two CB's. I played a further two CMF's much further forward meaning Schweingsteiger could dictate the pace of the game. I won 2-0 with Bayern against Rangers and Schweinsteiger was man of the match despite having no part in the goals.
I tried my luck with fullbacks on the half way line, actually works alot better on PES2012 than it did with PES2011. Using Bayern I played 4-5-1 but played Schweinsteiger as CMF quarterback just behind my two CB's. I played a further two CMF's much further forward meaning Schweingsteiger could dictate the pace of the game. I won 2-0 with Bayern against Rangers and Schweinsteiger was man of the match despite having no part in the goals.