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Official Winning Eleven 8 Impressions - No Chatting!

Cyrax

Registered User
I really don't understand you guys. I have absolutely no problem with shooting from outside the box. It even goes better and more realistic in WE8 than it did it PES3 for me. Is it me, or do some of you need to practise a bit more? The only thing I do agree with is the passing with the outside of the foot, it happens to much. You can pass the ball pretty quick, but not when you hold the button for to long, because than it will go to the player that is further away. When you tap the passbutton, he will pass it quickly, just as in PES3. Did anyone use the penalty where the player doesn't run towards the ball and shoots, but just stands still right behind the ball and then shoots?? It looks great..
 

garyvann

Registered User
dean7879 said:
we8 is really sluggish..i press x to pass but it doesnt do it straight away...the game never flows..the slightest touch and its a foul....long shots are dodgy...the freekick where two people are over the ball is pointless.....volleys hardly work.....players knock the ball too far ahead of them and seem to jog after the ball.........them are my hatreds towards the game....if them are fixed in pro 4 then i will be happy

I don't think u play enough matches. Some match are very very exciting and flow, some just sluggish, like u said.
 

Cray

Prince of Voetbal
I agree with everything that had said in here about WE8...sometime players doesn't react as soon as expected but that is just because the player's skill wasn't good so they need to take time to control the ball...6* is easy because i used to how the (A.I.) computer moves but if i play with a human i will be very crap as i do not play regulary with a human...Most Headers and Shots goes wide or straight to keeper, but it is ok because if all my shots and headers go in, i suppose i can score like 10 - 20 goals a match, and it will be too unrealistic...sometimes if i play with a "better" team(AC, Inter, Madrid, Arsenal..), i may struggle a bit which excites me a lot...Overall it is a great game
 

garyvann

Registered User
One thing I would like to add is the AI of both comp. and human team. The comp teams simply arn't clever and challenging enough, It's never difficult to play against teams like Arsenal, or liverpool. I also don't think the teams' got enough personality. I don't I ever notice the fluent play ,one touch passes and clever runs when I play against Arsenal. They are just like any other team.

The movement of the human team also could use some improvement. One time I have Giggsy hovering just outside the penalty box, and Rooney just stand like a statue inside! Surely Fergie would be furious about that.

I do think the AI has been improved, the goal against has more variety, the movements of the human team has been improved, just not enough.

One more thing, it IS too easy when using star players and teams. I don't even have to point to the goal with Owen to score! Same with Alan Smith(!).
It takes away some of the satisfation when u scores.
 

guitar_god92

Registered User
wahtah said:
I REALLY hope they have improved this in pes4. If not i'll stick to pes3 (where the shooting and passing is like it supposed to be)

i disagree with u m8, in pro ev 3 its impossible to do a side foot curler from outside the box unless ur del piero with his special move

and will some1 say whether u can side foot curl it in we8?
 

Nturtle

Mr. Kung Fu Soccer
garyvann said:
I don't think u play enough matches. Some match are very very exciting and flow, some just sluggish, like u said.


Well, I DO feel a difference when playing teams from other continents (i.e. Brazilian / Portugese teams) in terms of their tactics and also their movement...it IS an improvement on We7i so I'm happy...not EVERYTHING is perfect...otherwise we'll never get to WE10...heh heh... :cool:

As previously mentioned by jimc1014...there is greater emphasis on individual skills so that is more realistic...I admire the guys who can go through a few seasons with the default ML players...and if the game is too easy for you...maybe that is what you should be trying!! :D
 

adda7

Registered User
slowdowns

larsson said:
Here´s my little review, after about 20 matches, mostly on 4*

First of all the menus have a complete new structure and are much brighter, personally I don´t care that much about it, but it´s very decent. They´re user-friendly as always. Also the menu music has changed, no Japan-Techno-Pop anymore, a bit more rock style.
You can play the 3 licensed leagues, and you can create an own league with up to 20 teams. Haven´t touched ML, edit mode or cup mode yet.

Lets have a look at the gameplay. I should start with the negative things. Keepers aren´t improved, also their animations are still the same, at least I haven´t seen any new animations. In those 20 matches I´ve conceded at least 5 goals which came from stupid keeper AI.
Passes, well, for some reasons 1/3 of the passes are totally stupid outside of the foot or pike passes, even when there´s no need for that. It spoils the new passing system, which is great, a little bit.
Another thing, slowdowns, there are slowdowns, at almost every corner. It doesn´t happen when I cross normally during the game though. I´m using the normal camera, not the wide-angle.
Haven´t noticed any great inside of the foot kicks so far, except in the penalty area in 1 on1 situations with the keeper

But lets get to the positive aspects of the game :cool:
There´s much more freedom in the players movement, it´s not so exaggerated like in FK though. It takes some time till you get used to it, but it´s very realistic. The controls are more sensitive than in WE7, the players react better and faster to eg changes of direction compared to WE7.
Also more variety for :x: passing, you can chose whether you want to pass to the player who´s next to you or to a player who stands a long way off. For example the LB passes directly to the RB, without using the central defenders. Through passes are improved, looks like offensive players are more active and are running into open spaces with much more intensity. I´ve had a great situation while playing with Liverpool, Riise was on the left wing, then I suddenly saw that Kewell is accelerating, I pressed :triangle:, Kewell overtook his defender at full speed, tried to cross, but the opponent fouled him with a desperate tackling in the last moment, the animation of the falling Kewell was superb btw.
:L1: + :triangle: passes are very effective for counter-attacks, however I haven´t found the right timing yet.
Crosses are superb, they´re not as slow as in WE7, but not rocket-like, like in WE7:I. The speed is almost perfect, so is the aiming. It´s a bit harder to get into a good header position than in previous versions though.
The power bar for shots seems not to be that sensitive anymore.
The refs are ok, I haven´t conceded any stupid ridicolous red card like in WE7. The animations for tacklings and fouls are fantastic, sometimes if you tackle an opponent hard (but clean) and the ref doesn´t call a foul the player doesn´t stand up but sits on the ground waving his arms and looking at the ref while hoping for a free kick.
There are many different referees, some are more strict some are less. The advantage rule was adapted from WE7:I I think, it´s almost perfect, not screwed up like in PES3 or WE7. Haven´t noticed any handballs yet.
Then there are also a few details like special animations for corners (eg Beckham, Pires), different nets in different stadiums, the non-original kits don´t look dull anymore, seems that some keepers have also long pants, not only shorts. Maybe we had this also in WE7:I, can´t remember anymore ;)
 

adda7

Registered User
slowdowns

larsson said:
Here´s my little review, after about 20 matches, mostly on 4*

First of all the menus have a complete new structure and are much brighter, personally I don´t care that much about it, but it´s very decent. They´re user-friendly as always. Also the menu music has changed, no Japan-Techno-Pop anymore, a bit more rock style.
You can play the 3 licensed leagues, and you can create an own league with up to 20 teams. Haven´t touched ML, edit mode or cup mode yet.

Lets have a look at the gameplay. I should start with the negative things. Keepers aren´t improved, also their animations are still the same, at least I haven´t seen any new animations. In those 20 matches I´ve conceded at least 5 goals which came from stupid keeper AI.
Passes, well, for some reasons 1/3 of the passes are totally stupid outside of the foot or pike passes, even when there´s no need for that. It spoils the new passing system, which is great, a little bit.
Another thing, slowdowns, there are slowdowns, at almost every corner. It doesn´t happen when I cross normally during the game though. I´m using the normal camera, not the wide-angle.
Haven´t noticed any great inside of the foot kicks so far, except in the penalty area in 1 on1 situations with the keeper

But lets get to the positive aspects of the game :cool:
There´s much more freedom in the players movement, it´s not so exaggerated like in FK though. It takes some time till you get used to it, but it´s very realistic. The controls are more sensitive than in WE7, the players react better and faster to eg changes of direction compared to WE7.
Also more variety for :x: passing, you can chose whether you want to pass to the player who´s next to you or to a player who stands a long way off. For example the LB passes directly to the RB, without using the central defenders. Through passes are improved, looks like offensive players are more active and are running into open spaces with much more intensity. I´ve had a great situation while playing with Liverpool, Riise was on the left wing, then I suddenly saw that Kewell is accelerating, I pressed :triangle:, Kewell overtook his defender at full speed, tried to cross, but the opponent fouled him with a desperate tackling in the last moment, the animation of the falling Kewell was superb btw.
:L1: + :triangle: passes are very effective for counter-attacks, however I haven´t found the right timing yet.
Crosses are superb, they´re not as slow as in WE7, but not rocket-like, like in WE7:I. The speed is almost perfect, so is the aiming. It´s a bit harder to get into a good header position than in previous versions though.
The power bar for shots seems not to be that sensitive anymore.
The refs are ok, I haven´t conceded any stupid ridicolous red card like in WE7. The animations for tacklings and fouls are fantastic, sometimes if you tackle an opponent hard (but clean) and the ref doesn´t call a foul the player doesn´t stand up but sits on the ground waving his arms and looking at the ref while hoping for a free kick.
There are many different referees, some are more strict some are less. The advantage rule was adapted from WE7:I I think, it´s almost perfect, not screwed up like in PES3 or WE7. Haven´t noticed any handballs yet.
Then there are also a few details like special animations for corners (eg Beckham, Pires), different nets in different stadiums, the non-original kits don´t look dull anymore, seems that some keepers have also long pants, not only shorts. Maybe we had this also in WE7:I, can´t remember anymore ;)

Hello

what is slowdowns ? I have played PES many yeras now, but i don`t understand what slowdowns are. Can you explaine me, pleas !!!!!
 

Zygalski

Administrator
adda7 please try to edit your post rather than requoting like that. It takes up too much space. And this thread is for impressions not questions....

WE8 Slowdown is when the action in the penalty area makes the game play as if in "bullet-time" - in slow-motion for a few seconds. And then it goes back to normal. It gets quite annoying. Something to do with the fans near the goal.

No more questions in this thread.
 

Kewell[AUS]

Registered User
My thoughts

ok, i'll add my thoughts to this - i've only just got WE8 imported and played about 10 matches about 3 on 3* and 7 on 5*.

I started on 3* so i could get used to the game play, but there was no need for that because i was scoring so easily and all you need to do is play with 2 strikers and 2 attacking mids out on the left or right, and the long ball would just rip up the defence, or lack there of.

So i switched to 5* but there hasn't been much of an improvement, i beat arsenal with man u, at highbury 5 - 2 and i would of missed about 5 1on1 chances and many other great opportunities to score. It seems like the Attack out weighs the Defence - because the Defenders won't pick up the runs of wingers and strikers quick enough. The game just seems to be slightly un-balanced, there is a lack of mid-field and it sort of by passes the mid-field altogether and centers on putting long and through balls forward as the means of attack.

So the lack of defence and mid-field seems to be an issue, the slowdown certainly is one but one that i can live with. And the overall game speed seems a bit fast to me, if they could slow it all down a little i think it would make it look and feel more realistic.

Apart from these major issues, the Game is Brilliant its easily the best football game i have ever played dispite is flaws. The animation is great, the cut scenes really add to the game and so do the improved graphics ( i have been surprised with the amount of improvement, its more than i would have expected) So i will of course keep playing with my delight at how good it is and maybe editing some formations can balance the game-play a little more.
 

rebusrahman

Registered User
Hey there! Reb again! I'm in Laos and I found a shop where you can play PS2 for 40p per hour!!!! They had WE8 and so I almost wet myself getting the thing loaded up...

I haven't played any console games in 6 mths and it showed. I was thrashed 4-0 on 3* as England v Brazil in my 1st match. How belittling! Anyway, 2nd match I played the same and won 3-1 so it was just a glitch in the Matrix!

Anyway, can't say exactly what I thought cos the damn thing was all in Japanese! And what really pissed me off was that I only realised that they had a mem card with the English names in the shop as I was leaving... that would be why the woman (who spoke no English) put a card in my PS2. I just thought she meant I could save stuff! What a numbnuts!!!

Anyhow, the graphical improvement was top notch. The offside seems much better, as does the slide tackle and fouls (I like the anim for when the ref just has a friendly word instead of booking you - nice touch) but the ref does not seem to be a solid person as the ball goes thru him... nice to see him there tho. Oh yeah! Players going off for treatment is cool too.

I hope to get another chance to play, as I only played for 90 mins (game of 2 halves!), but I have to not feel guilty. I mean I am travelling round Asia after all and felt a little "dirty" sitting in front of a PS2 instead of exploring what SE Asia (currently Laos) has to offer!

Oh well!
 

GFK

Registered User
You dont read this probably anymore, but its always fun to see post of you! Enjoy the rest of your trip!! And hopefulll we will get more updates from you!

Cheers
 

buitre28

Registered User
I have been playing WE8 for the last three weeks now and it took me two weeks to get used to the game. The slow down was and actually still is extremely annoying but I learned to take it for granted, also knowing that with Pes4 the problem has been solved.
Now I am enjoying the game like I enjoyed it with WE7I (Jap), got used to the different game speed and like the little touched Konami added. What I regret is the fact that in the Master League you now play against teams from different countries. I think it adds more exitement if you play a national league and that the WEFA gives you the opportunity to battle against international competitors. That gives the WEFA championship an extra touch, while now you play internationally all the time.
Another thing I regret is the fact that penalties are awarded to me as if it was christmas time, all the time! I don´t know if its my play, or what, but I in three different matches I received three (!!!) penalties in my favour, while my player was not even seriously tackled. Unbelievable! First time I see this in a WE serie. Hope they fix this in Pes4.
For the rest I think Konami did a great job.
 

ezio

Registered User
buitre28 said:
I have been playing WE8 for the last three weeks now and it took me two weeks to get used to the game. The slow down was and actually still is extremely annoying but I learned to take it for granted, also knowing that with Pes4 the problem has been solved.
Now I am enjoying the game like I enjoyed it with WE7I (Jap), got used to the different game speed and like the little touched Konami added. What I regret is the fact that in the Master League you now play against teams from different countries. I think it adds more exitement if you play a national league and that the WEFA gives you the opportunity to battle against international competitors. That gives the WEFA championship an extra touch, while now you play internationally all the time.
Another thing I regret is the fact that penalties are awarded to me as if it was christmas time, all the time! I don´t know if its my play, or what, but I in three different matches I received three (!!!) penalties in my favour, while my player was not even seriously tackled. Unbelievable! First time I see this in a WE serie. Hope they fix this in Pes4.
For the rest I think Konami did a great job.

You can unlock the Custom ML option in we-shop so that you can set up the leagues they way you want. So you can basically put all Italian teams in one legaue etc.

Ezio
 

buitre28

Registered User
ezio said:
You can unlock the Custom ML option in we-shop so that you can set up the leagues they way you want. So you can basically put all Italian teams in one legaue etc.

Ezio

Great! Thanks Ezio for the tip! Did not know this, will make a huge difference for me.
 

garyvann

Registered User
Been playing WE8 for more than a month now and mostly in 5 * level, and i just find it's too easy to score if u have star players in your team.

When i have players like raul or Ruud VAn, i don't even have to try and think to get clean shot to score. It's so easy sometimes i don't know how i did it, it's very discouraging. i found myself surfing on the internet while playing course i don't have really have to worry if i lose.

i guess the problem is in the stats of the players, cos i find a lot more enjoyable using mid table teams. i'm currently using Blackburn (Hughesie!) and my team is like this:

freidel

Neil Mellberg Amoruso Gray

Thompson Redknapp Barry Gronkjaer

Angel Stead
Main subs: Ferguson, Matt Jensen, Paul Gallagher( in game ststs unrealisticly low), emerton...

and I'm enjoying scoring again! And i found with this subs could actually change a game!
I bring on Dickov at 0-0, and i score two gaols with him.

My opinion is that players like Figo, Ronaldino, Ruud Van shouldn't have unrealisticly high stats ( I can't point out the excat nums, but i think they got a lot of 95 upwards), and players like Jon Stead, David thonpson should have better stats.

In terms of shooting, it does feel a bit easy and a bit FIFA!

ps, i use narmal cam 3 and one of the jap studiua with track around it, there are almost zero slowdown even in corner situations.

BTW, i don't think there's too much wrong with the game, i think complains about speed or too easy might, just might, be cos of Konomi's direction change towards importance os Star players. I don't we need another FIFA.

Gamplay is fine, physics is good if not great, looks fine.
 

larsson

Administrator
Well as long as it´s only the stats which are too high it´s not such a big problem. Have you tried the 6* difficulty ?
 

dons5

Registered User
Ok guys know what your thinking and you must think im crazy for thinking that we6 is better then we8, but to me it is soo much better and these are my reasons.

1. Game speed- Obviosuly WE8 is better then FIFA, but compared to WE6, WE8 seems so much more faster gameplay and just in general more FIFA'ish feel to the game. The guys would just blast the ball into perfect spots unlike WE6 which just seemed so much more real ( they could still do beautiful shots in WE6 though).

2. Passing in the air/crossing - In WE6 the passes in the air felt so much better and realistic, sometimes they would pass it a bit more diagnol sometimes a little less harder etc most of the times went where u wtryin to make it go, but in WE8 its almost always either stright up or down, or straight left or right, not always though. And even if they do do a smi decent long pass, they are usesless because 80 percent of the times they are more accurate towards the other teams player then your player.

3. Goalies - Well they are great it seems, apart from the fact that half the times they just stand there and let the ball fly by, even if it just skims the post too, or sometimes they even get scored on and they dont even move. They dont turn there head in the "surprised I have no chance" type of thing like i see them do sometimes in WE6 and 8, but its as if the goalie is just standing there daydreaming its *bleep*ed.

4. Teammate AI and opponent AI- It seems they have no common sence they will just let balls go right beside them and not even care its so un WE'ish. Like when passing a ball they just stand there and wait for it, in WE6 I could make my guy run towards it so much better then in WE8.

5. Turn Around Long Pass- If you have your back towards the opponents goal and you wanna do a long pass, instead of the player turning around and then passing, he either passes it in the complete opposite direction (towards your goalie), or he'll send it in some random direction most of the time out of bounds, even if you are aiming in the right direction.

6. Pressure checking- Well in WE6 when pressing the Pressure checking button the guy would try to obviously check the other player, but in WE8 unless ur 1 inch away from the guy he wont even do anything, he wont even make the pressure checking animation, I constantly run towards a guy either head on or at an angle or whatever and while running at him pressing the Pressure Check button and unless the player is dead on with him, he will just keep on running past him even if you are constantly hitting the pressure check button, its like they dont see the guy with the ball. If he happens to be really close while you push the buttn he might try to take it, but if hes not an inch away then he'll just keep running lookin for someone to pressure check, like they are completely oblivious.

7. Excitment - Yes they got the Serie A full License but for some reason when me and all my friends played WE6 we would go crazy on the free kicks, fouls, goals, saves, everything, just like in a real life game, but in WE8 its soooo much more less intense, it feels like it doesnt mean as much when something really good or bad happeens your just not in it like u are with WE6.

8. General feel - Ok WE6 most of the times just in general what you do in real soccer you do in WE6 also, you didnt need to get used to the way the game felt to be able to score or do whatever it was just whatever worked in real life worked in the game. Sometimes pass, sometiems rush the ball, sometimes hold back, sometimes using alot of chip passes, sometimes lots of through balls, using a misture of passong types etc etc and you can do all this stuff like real soccer. But in WE8 just the general feeling of the game is that in general to score most goals you just have to send through balls past the defence and score. Thats what I used to do to score in FIFA, so un WE'ish. I mean in WE6 I could do that too but I could just build the play up so many different ways, without even having to adjust the strategy, positioning etc etc. I mean you could shoot the ball from far and try to make nice plays for fun but its rarely neccesary in WE8. In WE6 though, sometimes you would have to shoot from far and do different stuff cause you just couldnt get the through balls through the defence, sometimes u could sometimes u couldnt, so much more realistic. In WE8 it feels like I just gotta rpeat the same stuff over and over again to score. It just feels all more human like, more realistc in WE6.

Now one thing that I think maybe the problem is that supposedly the N.American copy, which I am playing is the same like feel physics stuff as the European version (PES4) not the real true WE8. And i heard some people saying that PES4 was infact sped up compared to original WE8 and some stuff about the shot and long pass accuracy probelms also, which were not present in the Original WE8. So maybe thats the problem, I also wanted to point out that I never have played WE7, Just WI6 and WE8 for Xbox.

Thank you guys I just needed to get this off my chest after expecting the best soccer game ever, which almost everyone says it is and which I felt the first time I played WE6 couple years ago. And by the way I tried putting that auto help stuff on max, middle and manual didnt really help, although it did feel a little better on manual. Honestly It just seems like Konami tried adding a bit of FIFI'ish style play maybe to make more N. American crowd like the game i dunno, there are cool things like hand balls and goals called off due to offsides and stuff like that but lets face it those things dont change the actual feel for the game. I have played about 6 or 7 games at 15 minutes each so its not like i need to get used to this one, I havent played WE6 since like a year ago and didnt play it a whole lot, I didnt own it. I never had to get used to WE6 to play, i just thought like i did in real soccer and it worked. Most things just responded and acted better according to my controller inputs in WE6. Geez I wanna love WE8 but I just cant at the moment.
Thanx again!

p.s. Officially here in N.America it is called World Soccer Winning Eleven 8 International

by the way nice to be here
 
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