Who agrees with me that PES 12 was the best PES ever made? PES got worse for me after PES 13, PES 14, 15 and 16 are weird for me. I gave PES 14 a chance and didn't like it. Is PES 16 any better? Judging by the demo it looks like it isn't too good. Oh the point of the thread, is PES 12 the best PES ever made?