PES 13 CVG comments

[shaun7]

I am not starting any war here Shaun....i am just stating the facts.
Fifa will murder Konami again this year because Fifa is the best footie game on any platform today....period!

I know you don't like seeing that written anywhere...and will go to no ends to smear EA's name. You see Shaun my friend...wars are usually between at least two parties.

But not in this thread. It's always the same. I won't indulge in this argument.

Maybe you should not start a war trying to pass those "stupid, idiotic, chase the goats and chickens win a sword" games such as Skyrim and Dark Souls on people. If you like them ...keep it to yourself! Not everyone does.

That's not a war. A war is when you compare games. I wasn't comparing. I was mentioning a few excellent games unlike fifa and pes.

The question is Shaun.....who decides if a game is good or bad?
When you find the answer to that question ....you will find peace within yourself and maybe ...just maybe... start playing Fifa again.

No, as long as Fifa runs on the same engine script, I will never touch it again because it is so fundamentally flawed that it bugs me straight away. If you like it, go to the fifa thread.

By the way...if you only purchase 3 to 4 games a year....who are you to tell others what games are good or bad or if the gaming industry is doing good or bad. Leave it to people like me who owns 80% of the games that are released yearly.

Because I play the demos, watch many videos and read alot about the games and I never buy games that I won't play. So in the end, I would end up playing the best games (for me) and the best quality games (you may not like the games that I do, but the games I listed are quality).

I don't hate fifa, I hate bad games like it.

 

[zizou4ever]

I have read several reviews of PES 2013 and, although almost all of them are positive, I really did not see anything that indicates that it will be a great game. Most of them agree that PES 2013 is a kind of "tweaked PES 2012".
I saw the list of new commands and I am disappointed that they are just those ones. Player ID for only 50 players? Really?
What about shielding the ball? What about a real 360 dribbling system? What about better and more fluid animations? And the stadium atmosphere?
So far I am not impressed at all. I am aware that PES 2013 possibly will be better than PES 2012 but that's not enough. I was expecting a lot more.

 

[abu97]

I have read several reviews of PES 2013 and, although almost all of them are positive, I really did not see anything that indicates that it will be a great game. Most of them agree that PES 2013 is a kind of "tweaked PES 2012".
I saw the list of new commands and I am disappointed that they are just those ones. Player ID for only 50 players? Really?
What about shielding the ball? What about a real 360 dribbling system? What about better and more fluid animations? And the stadium atmosphere?
So far I am not impressed at all. I am aware that PES 2013 possibly will be better than PES 2012 but that's not enough. I was expecting a lot more.

Chill out, this is the first code and this is the first year when the reviews for the first code sound promising. Player ID is a lot for 50 players as the other players in the game will also have unique moves but not as exact as those 50 players they are copying exactly. From reading these reviews, its very hard to not jump on the hype train.

Also, shielding the ball is better with the new touch settings so you can fend the ball off a player using your body and using R2 makes you position your body more better and effectively. R2 is magical this year basically in terms of control and trap so don't be disheartened already as there is more to come. 360 dribbling was already mentioned from the start as players now aren't locked to the ball and are free to move so supercancel is unnecessary this year according to Adam from WENB. Animations are to be improved but not mind-blowing animations as this engine is really limited so the animation will be simple and fluid but not FIFA-esque.

 

[MozzyEng]

Some people need to get there heads from out of the sand and wake up a little bit.

Whenever this "conversation" arises it is always the case that people get highly offended by somebody speaking blunt about the state of computer games. It's like they go all defensive because people dare not say whats right about the industry. It means so much to them, almost like they are brainwashed by it at all, they will defend it to the death and attack those who speak out.

Also, if you actually READ what I said, there are SOME good points to todays games, but the BADS outweigh the goods FOR ME. For all kind of different reasons, reasons I've already provided. But the goods come in bits with todays games, divided, separate...and that's done on purpose to entice you into believing that the next game that comes along the conveyer belt, will fix all of those problems with the previous installment, rinse and repeat. Developers sell you an illusion. Almost like that episode of South Park where they play that stupid game chasing the horse, but they never catch it.

The fact of the matter is, games should have moved on so much over the last 6 years, GAMEPLAY wise with the new technology....and in all honesty, it hasn't, it's just go buggier and glitchier, but the gloss around the edges has moved along steadily.

Let's take PES 6 for instance, a complete football game, solid, does the job in all sorts of areas, was as good as it can be from day 1 on release. Compare that to PES 2012.....how many patches have there been again?

It's happened with so many games, not just PES.

But some of you will be so blind and captivated by it all, you will basically bend over, pull your trousers down and let these game developers do what they want.....and guess what?.....you'll pay for that to!....and the extras afterwards... (DLC)

I guess having played games for as long as I have, once you reach that, you might see it all the same as me, because believe it or not, I was like you once, I could see no wrong.

....and now I weigh up all the options and variables before spending cash on these computer games.

Wake up. It's embarrassing.

Amen. Lol at world of wankcraft to. That's what i called it (Who ever said that)

 

[zizou4ever]

Chill out, this is the first code and this is the first year when the reviews for the first code sound promising. Player ID is a lot for 50 players as the other players in the game will also have unique moves but not as exact as those 50 players they are copying exactly. From reading these reviews, its very hard to not jump on the hype train.

Also, shielding the ball is better with the new touch settings so you can fend the ball off a player using your body and using R2 makes you position your body more better and effectively. R2 is magical this year basically in terms of control and trap so don't be disheartened already as there is more to come. 360 dribbling was already mentioned from the start as players now aren't locked to the ball and are free to move so supercancel is unnecessary this year according to Adam from WENB. Animations are to be improved but not mind-blowing animations as this engine is really limited so the animation will be simple and fluid but not FIFA-esque.

Abu97, you have no idea how much I hope you are right. However this is not my first PES. Just to give you an example:

"That's not to say Konami hasn't moved the series forward. In fact it's a noticeable improvement over last year's next-gen effort for a number of reasons. Firstly, the loose controls have been tightened up and are much more responsive, providing greater on-the-ball and close control. The AI - the foundation upon which PES has been built for so long - is markedly better too. Your players make more intelligent runs, they work together as a team more proficiently and the opposition puts up a much better fight, especially on the higher difficulty settings against the best teams.

(...) Having said that, the AI still feels more like an evolution rather a revolution, which is no bad thing. Defenders will track back more aggressively if you continually attack in the same way and, likewise, they'll take advantage of weak spots in your defence unless you adapt to the way they play. However, it's not so overwhelming that you need to change your tactics every time you run out onto the pitch.

(...) Your players react the way you'd expect them to, not just as a team but also as individuals. Rooney is a bruiser on the ball and can ride the challenges of most defenders and still net a goal from 35 yards. Fabregas, on the other hand, occasionally needs protecting from overly enthusiastic opposition but technically he's one of the best players in the game, making rarely a stray pass even under pressure. "

So, that was a review for PES 2008! All elements that Konami has advertised are there: "improved AI", "close control", "individuality". I suggest you checking the reviews for previous PES. It is all about the same.

I am not saying that FIFA is better. Actually I never really played FIFA apart from the demos.

What I am saying is that I am no longer believe that the game will be awesome because of the reviews.

I do hope I am wrong.

 

[abu97]

Abu97, you have no idea how much I hope you are right. However this is not my first PES. Just to give you an example:

"That's not to say Konami hasn't moved the series forward. In fact it's a noticeable improvement over last year's next-gen effort for a number of reasons. Firstly, the loose controls have been tightened up and are much more responsive, providing greater on-the-ball and close control. The AI - the foundation upon which PES has been built for so long - is markedly better too. Your players make more intelligent runs, they work together as a team more proficiently and the opposition puts up a much better fight, especially on the higher difficulty settings against the best teams.

(...) Having said that, the AI still feels more like an evolution rather a revolution, which is no bad thing. Defenders will track back more aggressively if you continually attack in the same way and, likewise, they'll take advantage of weak spots in your defence unless you adapt to the way they play. However, it's not so overwhelming that you need to change your tactics every time you run out onto the pitch.

(...) Your players react the way you'd expect them to, not just as a team but also as individuals. Rooney is a bruiser on the ball and can ride the challenges of most defenders and still net a goal from 35 yards. Fabregas, on the other hand, occasionally needs protecting from overly enthusiastic opposition but technically he's one of the best players in the game, making rarely a stray pass even under pressure. "

So, that was a review for PES 2008! All elements that Konami has advertised are there: "improved AI", "close control", "individuality". I suggest you checking the reviews for previous PES. It is all about the same.

I am not saying that FIFA is better. Actually I never really played FIFA apart from the demos.

What I am saying is that I am no longer believe that the game will be awesome because of the reviews.

I do hope I am wrong.

That review overhyped things a lot but it didn't mention any elements that are going to take place in PES 2008 - PES 2012 mentions it is going to improve 5 things- Dynamic first touch, response defending, pro-active AI, player ID and some other things and that is going to happen. PES 2008's reviews, eventhough the game was crap, say some aspects are going to improve, nothing new. Instead everything went down and nothing new was there. PES 2012 will obviously include the elements, as eventhough they lie, they aren't going to joke and say they are not going to add the new features.

Look at PES 2012 - they said AI is going to be revamped and more responsive and it was. PES 2013 will contain the 5 things I mentioned but could have a downgrade like PES 2012 did so it might not be a good game.

I'm not sure you understand my point as I may have confused you, but all PES 2012 needed was manual passing, shooting, individuality and better AI aswell as defending to be at the most a good game and we will be getting that as they are themselves a new feature KONAMI are adding. If we are not, trust me, KONAMI are going to lose alot of fans for lying.

I also don't trust reviews as they go over the top, but when was that PES 2008 review written? 1 month before release?

 

[Craney91]

Both games suffer from the same problems funnily enough. Although one does more than the other. They both suffer from game breaking scripting and rubber banding and no matter how much the fanboys and developers will deny it. It always has existed, it has to exist for the game itself to exist, however, although its always been there, todays football games suffer from it more than they used to.

Pro Evo for the last couple of years has improved, where FIFA has been the same old same old. FIFA sells to demographic and blind gamers, Pro Evo sells to the football enthusiast and it has something FIFA simply doesn't have. Soul.

It's that soul that will keep you going back for more and keeping your interested, FIFA will script the f*ck out of you, until you stop playing the game.

Both games have been "hacked" to find out the variables and code used to build these games, FIFA has code during games that will effect how the game plays, most of it is momentum code. Pro Evo has code base on runs of games or wins. I'm convinced we've all had a streak of winning in ML, beating teams with ease and then you'll play one game, where the CPU goalie will be superhuman and there will be a lack of control over your own players. It contains code where the game will see it as "you shouldn't have done that" You shouldn't have won that last game" therefore we will screw you in the next.

These are odd occasions though, whereas FIFA runs as the game runs, meaning scripting is almost in every single game played.

Shove your licenses up your arse! It has NEVER made up for the gameplay, i've always stood by that. So while FIFA had a good couple of years at PES's demise in 2008 and 2009, NOT because FIFA drastically improved, BUT more so Pro Evo was so poor!

......and now Pro Evo has took over again in many aspects.....although the mainstream will never say that now, they say what they get paid to say!

People must not forget, FIFA had 2 years over Pro Evo. Fair enough.

But Pro Evo had 10 or so years over it, late PS1 years all the way through the PS2.

FIFA was nothing.

 

[marvito]

Both games suffer from the same problems funnily enough. Although one does more than the other. They both suffer from game breaking scripting and rubber banding and no matter how much the fanboys and developers will deny it. It always has existed, it has to exist for the game itself to exist, however, although its always been there, todays football games suffer from it more than they used to.

Pro Evo for the last couple of years has improved, where FIFA has been the same old same old. FIFA sells to demographic and blind gamers, Pro Evo sells to the football enthusiast and it has something FIFA simply doesn't have. Soul.

It's that soul that will keep you going back for more and keeping your interested, FIFA will script the f*ck out of you, until you stop playing the game.

Both games have been "hacked" to find out the variables and code used to build these games, FIFA has code during games that will effect how the game plays, most of it is momentum code. Pro Evo has code base on runs of games or wins. I'm convinced we've all had a streak of winning in ML, beating teams with ease and then you'll play one game, where the CPU goalie will be superhuman and there will be a lack of control over your own players. It contains code where the game will see it as "you shouldn't have done that" You shouldn't have won that last game" therefore we will screw you in the next.

These are odd occasions though, whereas FIFA runs as the game runs, meaning scripting is almost in every single game played.

Shove your licenses up your arse! It has NEVER made up for the gameplay, i've always stood by that. So while FIFA had a good couple of years at PES's demise in 2008 and 2009, NOT because FIFA drastically improved, BUT more so Pro Evo was so poor!

......and now Pro Evo has took over again in many aspects.....although the mainstream will never say that now, they say what they get paid to say!

People must not forget, FIFA had 2 years over Pro Evo. Fair enough.

But Pro Evo had 10 or so years over it, late PS1 years all the way through the PS2.

FIFA was nothing.

Totally agree about this actually, especially PES ruling the ps1 and 2 systems fifa sucked royal balls then, ive recently gone back to evo and i am addicted, only problem for me is the difficultly level, they are to steep, there is never 1 in between, like regular soon becomes to easy and pro is to hard when u face strong opposition and takes a lot of fun out but overall the game is better than fifa once more! LOVE being able to win the CL with chelsea, another thing pes always has had is that when you win trophies the celebrations are bloody awesome! on ffia they are like 2 seconds sitting with the trophy then back to menu screen.

 

[sgmullins]

For me pes 2012 plays a superb game of soccer most of the time. If i get frustrated at the game because it's not doing something i want it to, then i put the blame down to myself.
Maybe i'm a little tired or i'm not fully concentrating on what i'm doing. Pes 2012 is supremly addictive and has been for the last couple of years.

I think now more than ever you have to keep 100% concentration for the full 90 mins of each game or you will lose the match. Every goal you score is different and that is brilliant . I have played fifa 12 too and for me its shocking , every goal is pretty similar , there mostly just tapins and it's like your players are running on an ice rink.

Yes pes 2012 has problems but they are certainly not game breakers far from it. Let's also face it that there are ALWAYS going to be people who are not happy about how pes performs, goodness me if it was 100% perfect in every way there would still be the moaners.

I'm just thankful that we do have pes, i'm also thankful that we have fifa too (JUST TO SEE IT GOING BACKWARDS FROM FIFA 09).

 

[SteEagles27]

lol@ ppl in here on about games being released in unfinished condition then patching it with DLC.

we live in a different world now. the internet has changed everything. they do that becuase they can.

if online gaming would of been as big on ps2s and we know it today, we would of been going thru the same thing back then aswell

 

[kn23m]

lol@ ppl in here on about games being released in unfinished condition then patching it with DLC.

we live in a different world now. the internet has changed everything. they do that becuase they can.

if online gaming would of been as big on ps2s and we know it today, we would of been going thru the same thing back then aswell

Are you as dump as you sound??
They do it not because they can, but because of people like you who are willing to pay their hard earned money for crappy, unfinished games, which are full of bugs, which are not tested well enough before release!! Why they should put effort in what they do if there are many as dumb as you who will buy that crap anyway!?!

 

[shaun7]

^But the argument in itself is DUMP, because the ones that are crying about modern games sucking are the ones who aren't looking for good games. Yes, football games failed and so have some racing simulators, but it's not the end of the world because there are other superb quality games out there that offer some of the best experiences ever.

Yes the whole patch after release thing is annoying, I very much agree on that, but hey, back on the ps2, if a game had glitches, it stayed like that forever. At least now, after a few months, many games would be patched and many annoying bugs would be gone. So it's a loose some, win some situation.