PES 2012 Negativity thread

[p34semm]

FAIL lolz

PES 2012=VERY FUN AND GOOD GAME

Sorry for having an opinion.

 

[lyc10]

MLO - I think the balance is out of whack because of the fact that players who are speed merchants are too unstoppable. It ruins the game when all the goals are dribbling goals through the entire team and a rounding of the keeper. Needs to be addressed in a patch big time IMO.

yes, fucking speed merchant, the entire company was probably smoking a huge joint when they thought of that idea, pes11 and pes12 could be so much better without speed merchant. To be able to deal with them is one thing, to be able to dribble pass 3-4 players just holding R1 is unacceptable, it takes no skill

 

[Kefir]

yes, fucking speed merchant, the entire company was probably smoking a huge joint when they thought of that idea, pes11 and pes12 could be so much better without speed merchant. To be able to deal with them is one thing, to be able to dribble pass 3-4 players just holding R1 is unacceptable, it takes no skill

This was one of Hatoshis wonderful ideas. He saved his job by doing this and some other services to SeabASS that i wont mention here.

 

[CheatersSuck]

1) The Stat menus!!! I want to see as much stats that I can on one page ! Why change it?!

2) Agility but ESPECIALLY shot technique stat must come back!

3) Almost no excuse for the lack of Roster update.

4) MY biggest negativity.. ONLINE CHEATERS!

Several players, almost always from South America or Europe, disconnect on me in the second half while I am leading and I end up with a 3-0 loss.

This is terrible. Instead of adding so many new features and trying to innovate the online experience, Konami should've really focused on the most important and most basic aspect of online play; MAKING SURE THAT WHOEVER DISCONNECTS IS THE PLAYER THAT LOSES!

This is so frustrating; it is subconsciously forcing me to not play to my full capabilities so that the game can be closer and that I do not run up the score in order to give some sort of incentive for the opposing player not to cheat and disconnect on me while receiving the win.




Having said then, except for the almost game-breaking issue of cheaters, as of now for me, this is a FANTASTIC game.

 

[brunosebalo]

Several players, almost always from South America or Europe, disconnect on me in the second half while I am leading and I end up with a 3-0 loss.

There is no way cheaters disconnect on you and you end up with a default loss mate, perharps your connnection is the problem?
Still online cheaters suck big time, I was reading someone elses post and the dude was saying that even if you are not the one who disconnect your connection ratio go down as well, this is so dissapointing, it is a game breaker for me,I am on pc and MLO last year got to a point where it became unplayable on weekends because of cheaters and only playing against the A.I is not that fun.

I still have hope though, since konami claimed they had fixed the online by developing a system where cheaters would only get paired with cheaters, since the game came out as early as three or four daus ago maybe the new system will kick in after the first week when divisions and everything is update.

Will keep following the forum looking for news about that.

 

[Montanaro]

Theres going to be a Patch Available tomorrow, People please stop crying over stupid little things, AI,Goal Keeping, 3D support, and hopefully full roster will be there tomorrow

Oh, so they are fixing every single thing in the game in one early patch?

I'm impressed....it usually takes Konami an entire console generation to do that.

 

[CheatersSuck]

There is no way cheaters disconnect on you and you end up with a default loss mate, perharps your connnection is the problem?
Still online cheaters suck big time, I was reading someone elses post and the dude was saying that even if you are not the one who disconnect your connection ratio go down as well, this is so dissapointing,

First of all, what you just said is a complete fallacy; how can you tell me what my situation is when it is MY SITUATION!? I wasn't proposing that usually cheaters disconnect and still somehow get the win; I was STATING it.

There is no doubt; several players disconnect on me and many times, I get the loss. And look at your choice of words: "NO WAY". Umm, YES WAY. I just told you so. What a horrible and arrogantly revealing post on your part.

1) My internet connection is very strong
2) I have never had an internet drop whether using my PC, my laptop through wifi, or ANY OTHER GAMES that I play on xbox.
3) If there is NO WAY, then how come when this situation happens(where there is a disconnect and I get the loss), it is ALWAYS when I am leading and it is ALWAYS when the game is about to end.
4) There are so many players, a countless amount, who have the same issue with cheating.

I cannot believe I just responded to your idiotic notion.

Keep following the forum and realize how foolishly and arrogantly ignorant you are when you realize that many players have the issue where when the opposing player disconnects, you get the loss.

 

[brunosebalo]

First of all, what you just said is a complete fallacy; how can you tell me what my situation is when it is MY SITUATION!? I wasn't proposing that usually cheaters disconnect and still somehow get the win; I was STATING it.

There is no doubt; several players disconnect on me and many times, I get the loss. And look at your choice of words: "NO WAY". Umm, YES WAY. I just told you so. What a horrible and arrogantly revealing post on your part.

1) My internet connection is very strong
2) I have never had an internet drop whether using my PC, my laptop through wifi, or ANY OTHER GAMES that I play on xbox.
3) If there is NO WAY, then how come when this situation happens(where there is a disconnect and I get the loss), it is ALWAYS when I am leading and it is ALWAYS when the game is about to end.
4) There are so many players, a countless amount, who have the same issue with cheating.

I cannot believe I just responded to your idiotic notion.

Keep following the forum and realize how foolishly and arrogantly ignorant you are when you realize that many players have the issue where when the opposing player disconnects, you get the loss.

:kanyeshrug:

Why so serious son ????? lets put a smile on that face.

:lmao:

 

[iamcanadianeh]

I thought the same thing 2 days ago but now I think the game is fine, the speed merchants are very stoppable. We are used to playing defense a certain way, in 2011 you could play up with your defense, You could cheat and still recover and stop the speedsters like Messi, Ronaldo etc because of the catch up bug in that version. This year you have to becareful, stay back and try to push them off the ball with X and trap them with R2 to take the ball from them. Look at my scores from last night, all those teams I played against have speed merchants but non of them really did much by their running because I figured out how to close them down. Trust me, once you figure it out you'll be fine.

Just to be fair, you're advice is well taken, but still, I think the balance is a tiny bit off, especially when it comes to how easy it is to round the keeper. I think your idea of not diving in is spot on, to make the best of the situation, but it's still ridiculous to see five players swarming one superhuman speed merchant and being blown away. You just don't see that sort of thing very often in a real game. Too easy.

Also, I should point out that I never used speed merchants in pes 2011, not once. The only reason I bought them this year was with the intention of selling them because I know what all the spammers want

What ended up happening though was that I did so well with these players that I reached almost top spot for a while, only losing 1 out of 32 matches. So, I think from my perspective it's fair for me to log this as something which needs to be addressed. I agree the crossing effectiveness is a tad too high as well, especially because with a speed merchant on the wing you can get wide open for a cross again and again and again.

PEACE

 

[lyc10]

i bought villa just because i wanted to test out speed merchants in pes 2012, and I must say, pairing that with a speed team style and he is unstoppable, I scored numerous goals where i get the ball in my own box and dribbled all the way pass my opponents defense to score, its just retarded

 

[iamcanadianeh]

i bought villa just because i wanted to test out speed merchants in pes 2012, and I must say, pairing that with a speed team style and he is unstoppable, I scored numerous goals where i get the ball in my own box and dribbled all the way pass my opponents defense to score, its just retarded

Exactly. And you will get better at it too. But eventually there are ways to defend better once you get used to it. Hopefully it will be toned down so we can all enjoy more realistic games.

 

[lyc10]

Exactly. And you will get better at it too. But eventually there are ways to defend better once you get used to it. Hopefully it will be toned down so we can all enjoy more realistic games.

the thing i hate about it is the amount of shitty players with the speed merchant, there's alot of players with speed merchant who have something like an overall rating of 60-70, drib acc 7x . These players dribble better than those with 90drib acc without speed merchant, it just doesnt make sense

 

[abu97]

they don'y dribble better, its not dribbling its agility. some players can turn so quick but don't have good dribbling. villa is always turning like that but he is agile not that he is a good dribbler. if you see benayoun or xavi play they don't make high speed turns

 

[MysteryMan]

I don't understand the people raving about PES2012. I just purchased it last night for the PC and played the 1.01 patch and a ton of the things that irked me in PES2011 are still there.

Yair needs to put out a gameplay patch for the new version because the CPU cheats are infuriating.

Issues (playing on Professional w/ 1 bar Pass Support):
Dribbling - CPU can dribble through my legs with ease and any player changes directions like a superstar. I'm rarely using 'A' or 'R2+A' unless if the situation calls for it but people with low 70s dribbling skill are controlling the midfield like Xavi/Iniesta. I've been using the R2 and positioning tactic that seemed to be working well in the demos. I can't dribble like the CPU does AT ALL. Even the stabs of R2 only works with great dribblers whereas the CPU does it with anyone including slow fullbacks.

Shooting - There is no way to get a consistent low shot when in or around the penalty area. When I tap the shoot button, the striker does some stupid slide shot or toe poke and the ball goes nowhere. Tap the button for a little bit longer and the shot balloons over the bar or is shot directly at chest height for the GK. This happens with Cristiano Ronaldo and Drogba A LOT. Aiming is screwed up. You aim at the far corner and it the player shoots for the near post. Whenever you aim it in the middle of the goal, the ball always goes to the GK. No matter what happens there is no error when the ball is hit at the GK.

Passing - Sometimes you tap 'A' and the ball is passed 2 inches in front of you when your teammate is 5m out, other times it rockets past him with despite the same amount of power and using the same players.

User team AI - Is awful. I played PES2011 w/ Yair's patches and at best Konami's effort is close to Yair's final PES2011 version. CPU team players have instant reaction to loose balls, my teammates stand around like morons watching absolutely nothing. If you don't switch onto the player, the CPU will win a loose ball on the field all the time even if your teammate is 1m. This happens when the game doesn't lock in the loose ball for you. I'm not seeing many awesome runs no matter what type of tactics I'm using because the CPU D AI is always perfect while mine is shit.

CPU AI - Pressure fest. Players like SWP tackle like Maldini in the final third of the pitch. They block every longer distance shot attempt and crowd the penalty area, why the fuck won;t my team do that if I'm not pressuring like a maniac? Mine stand around and leave space for all kinds of shots. CPU plays perfect long passes all the time. It's like the CPU has Beckham on every team. My AI will ignore long balls or try to perform some shit clearing animation instead of actually going for the ball. Whenever I lose the ball in the final third of the pitch, the CPU plays a perfect clearance for a Counter-Attack. Always. It doesn't matter if it's someone with a 0 Long Pass rating, the clearance always lands to a striker. The perfect Through Balls are still there. My CB will casually let up for 1 second so the CPU CF can run clear through on goal. Happens with deep DL or high DL. My CBs will spread apart all the time by themselves and give up huge space in the middle. Also have seen a ton of players played onsides by a SB irregardless of the Offsides Trap option.

Deflections - Every ball goes to the CPU. I have had Benzema running wide open in the box on a counter attack take a first touch so heavy (w/o using Sprint) that the ball went to the opposing team's DMF near the sideline. Deflections somehow gain speed when hitting players and the ultra scripted out of bounds balls are still there.

Compared to PES2011 Yair Edition, I'm extremely dissapointed. I never played PES2011 w/o those gameplay patches so I don't know if the rave reviews coming in are from those who had to suffer through vanilla PES2011.

quote from some other place which I mostly agree with ( some points not tho ), alltho there are a few more issues aswell.

 

[lyc10]

they don'y dribble better, its not dribbling its agility. some players can turn so quick but don't have good dribbling. villa is always turning like that but he is agile not that he is a good dribbler. if you see benayoun or xavi play they don't make high speed turns

for me, what decides if a person is a good dribbler or not depends on his ability to get pass tight situations, and being agile certainly helps to a huge extent. of course you can do the same with xavi and benayoun, but that is because these players have dribbling acc in the 90s, unlike most speed merchants

 

[ctanyol]

Why I think this game is horrible

OK it's just been a few days I've been looking at this game and I think it is a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE move in the wrong direction.

The reason is that they slowed down the game. What I mean is that each player has much more time to decide on what to do. This gives a huge advantage to attackers.

As a result it has become waaay too easy to score. How many times did you see a player walk up to the keeper make a simple turn and leave the ball to an empty net? It is ridiculous. In PES WORLD even Terry would score Messi goals.

Of course part of it is that the keepers are still horrible. But it seems they are made intentionally so...

Every jackass with Arshavin and Messi can practically walk the ball into your net.

Also I think they simplified free kicks. Is this my impression?

Anyway... I don't like this. Even your passes cannot go wrong anymore. Where are the days when we used analog passes?

 

[abu97]

yh but xavi hardly runs top speed turning at right angles but lavessi is always turning at right angles but jis close control isnt better than xavi so it all goes down to agility or personality (individuality) if they should be a speed merchant

 

[Danny1234567]

yh but xavi hardly runs top speed turning at right angles but lavessi is always turning at right angles but jis close control isnt better than xavi so it all goes down to agility or personality (individuality) if they should be a speed merchant

Then why get rid of the agility attribute? Those different types of dribbling techniques (Agility vs Control) were perfectly represented in PES 2011 with just the attributes. Now Konami have done away with agility, the only differentiating aspect is this Speed Merchant card. Which like someone has pointed out, gives the same level of technique to every player that has it.

 

[Sabatasso]

OK it's just been a few days I've been looking at this game and I think it is a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE move in the wrong direction.

The reason is that they slowed down the game. What I mean is that each player has much more time to decide on what to do. This gives a huge advantage to attackers.

When you play against the AI, I agree with you. But slowing down the game does infact give human defenders an advantage during two player.

As a result it has become waaay too easy to score. How many times did you see a player walk up to the keeper make a simple turn and leave the ball to an empty net? It is ridiculous. In PES WORLD even Terry would score Messi goals.

In all honesty, players with relative cool nerves have an easy time scoring 1 vs 1 against the keeper. The task only gets somewhat hard when there is defender pressure into the equation, and I think it's rather spot on in the game. KONAMI can't go around making keepers superfast just because the majority of PES players don't lose their nerves during clear cut chances. We have gotten more and better control of the players, as an effect it becomes easier to score in certain situations where it's "mind over muscle".

Of course part of it is that the keepers are still horrible. But it seems they are made intentionally so...

The only piece of valuable discovery you've done so far.

Every jackass with Arshavin and Messi can practically walk the ball into your net.

You just need to learn how to defend. Not only the strategy of defending, but also which player does what job. Once you learn that, the game becomes quite realistic.

Also I think they simplified free kicks. Is this my impression?

Anyway... I don't like this. Even your passes cannot go wrong anymore. Where are the days when we used analog passes?

I think the free kicks are much the same as in PES2011. Moderately easy, and the AI scores way too often on them. Your passes can go wrong, very wrong and even more so at level 5 assistance.

It has also been explained that a player using assistance level 0 on passes more or less ignores his players passing accuracy stat, and the only impact any abilities has on the passes is the passing power, a small impact it seems. Passing would be near impossible if a random effect based on passing ability was made to add to your somewhat limited control of passing direction. Most passes would be flunked that way. And I say limited control of passing direction because you use the same stick to control your players movement and some feints, and the window of selection is very slim from you decide to pass to when the pass is made.

If you think passing is easy, then good for you. Now learn how to defend and you'll make a good PES player in the end.

Then why get rid of the agility attribute? Those different types of dribbling techniques (Agility vs Control) were perfectly represented in PES 2011 with just the attributes. Now Konami have done away with agility, the only differentiating aspect is this Speed Merchant card. Which like someone has pointed out, gives the same level of technique to every player that has it.

Explosive Power is Agility and Acceleration in one ability. It would be nice if people actually did an ounce of research before posting and whining...

 

[Danny1234567]

It has also been explained that a player using assistance level 0 on passes more or less ignores his players passing accuracy stat, and the only impact any abilities has on the passes is the passing power, a small impact it seems. Passing would be near impossible if a random effect based on passing ability was made to add to your somewhat limited control of passing direction. Most passes would be flunked that way. And I say limited control of passing direction because you use the same stick to control your players movement and some feints, and the window of selection is very slim from you decide to pass to when the pass is made.

Explosive Power is Agility and Acceleration in one ability. It would be nice if people actually did an ounce of research before posting and whining...

Ok since you've clearly done you're "research", perhaps you can enlighten me....

1) Exactly where has been known that Explosive Power is Agility/Acceleration merged into one? From what I can tell it's down to pure guess-work from a few of us trying to decipher these missing attributes so it's clearly nothing definitive or official. Whats more, if it is the case than it's still an illogical decision. What sense is there merging two very distinctive attributes into one? And why does it have such a less pronounced effect on dribbling than previous years?

2) How exactly do you come to the conclusion that zero passing assistance does not taking stats into account? Give me a link to where exactly this has been 'explained', as you've clearly done your research, obviously. Why have some many other people on PES Forums argued the exact opposite, citing zero passing assistance offers the most individualistic experience as poor passers become more error prone?

Don't try and mug me off with condescending language when you don't have a clue yourself....