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[Silver Surfer]

Your Coman is miles ahead mine in Pescara, not even similar. The difference is probably around 7/10 points in each stat.

I bought Coman at the start of my first season, he was one of the targets i identified to get in at all costs! 1st team regular from back when Mallorca were in the 2nd devision and owned the left wing ever since.
He's up to 87 OR now progressing nicely.

And Morata... I thought my Coutinho was good. That 99 Heading makes me a tad jealous. I guess I need to start buying GMs as well?

Yea Morata was a real surprise, I didn't know he could develop this highly. Almost every corner he scores from now - Fabregas assist > Morata goal.
I really would advise you to look at this tactic of recruiting GMs as much as you can afford, even if they're not going to play, the training ex boost is invaluable.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Quick ML Update

Just finished my 4th Season with Mallorca, really happy with the team now. At that stage where I only need one or two more quality signings.
Went the full season with a 100% win record in the league, haven’t done that for a long, long time! Still had a few draws and defeats in the Cup & Champions League though.
Considering Martial’s only back up for Morata he still managed 30 league goals, that guys a beast!

Forgot to include Iturbe’s stats in the last update so here they are now. Looks like he’s all pace and control with no end product but you don’t score 18 league goals from the wing unless you’ve got more in your locker. His finishing ability should be much higher than 78 with some of the goals I’ve scored with him.

 

[rebelinho]

Forgot to include Iturbe’s stats in the last update so here they are now. Looks like he’s all pace and control with no end product but you don’t score 18 league goals from the wing unless you’ve got more in your locker. His finishing ability should be much higher than 78 with some of the goals I’ve scored with him.

Incredible how in FOUR seasons his passing increased by a mere 2 points, but his dribbling went up some staggering 13 points. If anybody needed further proof on training importance, here it is.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Incredible how in FOUR seasons his passing increased by a mere 2 points, but his dribbling went up some staggering 13 points. If anybody needed further proof on training importance, here it is.

Yes! Amazing isn't it! I was constantly training him on dribbling and speed for the best part of 2 seasons with 3 Grand Masters in his area of the pitch (1 in his direct position)

As I said to Ali, I really think buying GMs for specific young players you want to develop is the way forward...and above is the proof.

 

[rebelinho]

Yes! Amazing isn't it! I was constantly training him on dribbling and speed for the best part of 2 seasons with 3 Grand Masters in his area of the pitch (1 in his direct position)

As I said to Ali, I really think buying GMs for specific young players you want to develop is the way forward...and above is the proof.

I've been doing so, bought some GMs but then remembered Legends go "back" to level 3 GMs. I'll be some of those and sell GMs to open up some slots.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Update on my ML with Mallorca

Just over half way through my 5th season now and there are 2 players who stand out on the development front…

Coman

Recently reached 90 OR and at 24 yrs old i’m hoping for more. He’s gone all the way through level 1, 2 & 3 Protégé and now he’s turned into a Superstar (Lv.1) I’m still not sure what the best attribute to train him on and find myself switching his training up regularly.

Garel

My unknown find of the season for sure, this lad keeps on surprising me with the rate of his development growth. Every time I look at his stats they just keep getting better and better…

My Full Squad

Very happy with my team at the moment, not many more additions needed. On the look out for an AMF so i can move Iturbe (87 OR - RWF) back into his favoured position and go back to using Martial as an impact sub.

Signed Odegaard but not happy with him at all, he’s very light weight and gets pushed off the ball to easily…he lost his place and went up for sale after 3 games.

 

[Ali]

Update on my ML with Mallorca

Wow, quite a bit better than mine, that 46% training boost is insane. Guess that shows the benefit of signing Grand Masters and Maestros. Problem with me is that I only ever sign players I can develop, not established Grand Masters, so I miss out on a bit of boost.

My Ntcham was much better than yours though. :sweey5:

 

[Silver Surfer]

Wow, quite a bit better than mine, that 46% training boost is insane. Guess that shows the benefit of signing Grand Masters and Maestros. Problem with me is that I only ever sign players I can develop, not established Grand Masters, so I miss out on a bit of boost.

You should change your transfer policy Ali, its well worth it (as you can see above) I normally do the same as you and only ever sign players who are young (under 23/24) and have room to develop...but the way PES is this year with the player roles and the direct effect it has on the younger players growth, its a massive bonus.

I only play 2 out of my 9 GMs - the rest are just squad players or don't even come off the bench. You've just got to live with all those old guys in your team hogging up all the space :laugh:

My Ntcham was much better than yours though. :sweey5:

Yea I remember your Ntcham was a beast! I've only signed mine in the last transfer window so he's had hardly any time with me to develop.

 

[Ali]

I only play 2 out of my 9 GMs - the rest are just squad players or don't even come off the bench. You've just got to live with all those old guys in your team hogging up all the space :laugh:

I've just had 2 players going through their flashing red arrow stage for my Corinthians team. Tried to play my GM (as captain) as much as possible to give them the extra match boost. Problem is his stanima is fucking shocking, plus he's an AM - they tend to tire more than other positions.

Yea I remember your Ntcham was a beast! I've only signed mine in the last transfer window so he's had hardly any time with me to develop.

It still annoys me that players don't develop as well at CPU teams.

 

[Devil656]

Update on my ML with Mallorca

Just over half way through my 5th season now and there are 2 players who stand out on the development front…

Coman

Recently reached 90 OR and at 24 yrs old i’m hoping for more. He’s gone all the way through level 1, 2 & 3 Protégé and now he’s turned into a Superstar (Lv.1) I’m still not sure what the best attribute to train him on and find myself switching his training up regularly.

Nice!

He's 24, so he should have a good four years of development left. I usually train a player in something they're bad at, and keep training them until they reach the 90s. You're getting a flat 46% training boost from your grand masters and maestros, I assume? Roughly the same as what Di Natale is getting from a level 3 maestro in Lukaku and the legend that is Lio Messi. The thing about legends (and this is just speculation, because KONAMI!) is that I think they give EVERYONE on your team a slight training boost as well. It could be anything between 5-15%, but I know it's there because when I was training Di Natale on shooting, for instance, his speed stat was going up way faster than it should have been. It was almost as if I'd chosen 'balanced' training instead.

Coman is looking good for 100 OR if he can avoid injury and you keep training up his weak stats. I think you need four or five red 90s to get 100 OR as well, but I don't know how Konami calculate it. I mean, 99 OR used to be the max and that made sense. Now it's something like 109, which makes absolutely zero sense.

Garel

My unknown find of the season for sure, this lad keeps on surprising me with the rate of his development growth. Every time I look at his stats they just keep getting better and better…

That's an awesome keeper right there. Mine's around the same age, with all 99s in the goalkeeping stats, so it's doable to get them all maxed out. He's only (I say ONLY) 92 OR (just recently got there with a flourish boost, so he's my sixth 90-and-above rated player). I have him working on his passing right now. Gonna be awesome when he can ping long balls with 99 accuracy! And he's just an unknown like yours. Guy's called Artur.

My Full Squad

Very happy with my team at the moment, not many more additions needed. On the look out for an AMF so i can move Iturbe (87 OR - RWF) back into his favoured position and go back to using Martial as an impact sub.

Signed Odegaard but not happy with him at all, he’s very light weight and gets pushed off the ball to easily…he lost his place and went up for sale after 3 games.

Very nice squad, especially for only being five seasons in. Mine looked nothing like that at five seasons! It's looking very good now, and in fact I may even have a few more 90 OR players by the time season 11 draws to a close. They're all going up so fast, I think, because I have two legends on my team: Djene and Messi.

It's definitely doable to get 100 OR players. My only worry is whether or not it can be sustained long term.

 

[rebelinho]

Problem is his stanima is fucking shocking.

Nope, problem is after-match recovery. They just won't come back from tiredness quickly enough.

I mean, 99 OR used to be the max and that made sense. Now it's something like 109, which makes absolutely zero sense.

It's been like this for years now. In PES2013 I had a fully 109 team (Porto classics. Those were the days...).

It's definitely doable to get 100 OR players. My only worry is whether or not it can be sustained long term.

Probably it's gonna be hard. They will start to lose points on the Speed stats quite quickly, and there's no way to avoid it. And the players that don't rely on Speed... won't achieve 100 in the first place (maybe Lahm or Dani Alves, Thiago Silva or even Pepe, all as regens).

 

[Ali]

Nope, problem is after-match recovery. They just won't come back from tiredness quickly enough.

Well, it's both actually. He's knackered by 40mins, and I never play him the full 90.

 

[Devil656]

It's been like this for years now. In PES2013 I had a fully 109 team (Porto classics. Those were the days...).

Yeah, it's been like that since PES 2010, if I recall.

I had a team of 109s in PES 2011, which was the last time I saw any player at 100. I had a few 90s on PES 2013, but I didn't play it long enough to see any 100s (the whole training system was just out of whack for me; hated it).

Probably it's gonna be hard. They will start to lose points on the Speed stats quite quickly, and there's no way to avoid it. And the players that don't rely on Speed... won't achieve 100 in the first place (maybe Lahm or Dani Alves, Thiago Silva or even Pepe, all as regens).

Not even that, but from a monetary position. I don't know if I can afford the team salary for much longer.

 

[rebelinho]

Well, it's both actually. He's knackered by 40mins, and I never play him the full 90.

Jesus, around 40 minutes? How much is his Stamina stat?

Not even that, but from a monetary position. I don't know if I can afford the team salary for much longer.

Admittedly I never had a 95+ rated player in this game, but still, had I not spent €150m in signing Legends/GMs I would have almost €400m by now (after 3 seasons). What kind of wages do they demand?

 

[Ali]

Jesus, around 40 minutes? How much is his Stamina stat?

68. That coupled with his AM position means he tires easily in matches.

 

[rebelinho]

68. That coupled with his AM position means he tires easily in matches.

Yeah, that explains it. Even my Bernardo Silva gets tired after 80/85 mins and he has 86 Stamina.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Nice!

He's 24, so he should have a good four years of development left. I usually train a player in something they're bad at, and keep training them until they reach the 90s. You're getting a flat 46% training boost from your grand masters and maestros, I assume?

Coman is looking good for 100 OR if he can avoid injury and you keep training up his weak stats.

Yea I think i'll just keep giving the ball to Coman and let him do this thing, try and get as many 8.0/8.5 + 9.0 game ratings as I can with him...maybe even sign another LMF GM or Maestro to boost his training further...?

That's an awesome keeper right there. Mine's around the same age, with all 99s in the goalkeeping stats, so it's doable to get them all maxed out.

Yea I think you're right and GKs don't develop as rapidly as outfield players but I still have high hopes for Garel, he's only 24yrs old and keepers tend to peak later on, so he could be 'still developing' into his late 20s..?

Very nice squad, especially for only being five seasons in. Mine looked nothing like that at five seasons! It's looking very good now, and in fact I may even have a few more 90 OR players by the time season 11 draws to a close. They're all going up so fast, I think, because I have two legends on my team: Djene and Messi.

Thanks, yea i'm very happy with it. As I said before I only really need one quality ACM and i'll be done. Still only 2 legends in my game so far but i'm keeping an eye out for Djene

 

[rebelinho]

Thanks, yea i'm very happy with it. As I said before I only really need one quality ACM and i'll be done. Still only 2 legends in my game so far but i'm keeping an eye out for Djene

Djené should be available as a Legend or whatever right from the start...

As for AMFs, if you want regens you should already have a few from these:

- Very fast: Danny, Palacio
- More technical: Hernanes, Carlos Martins, d'Alessandro, Totti, Cassano
- Balanced: Kaká, Quagliarella, Rossi, and I personally love Kuyt
- No idea how they regenerate: Silva, Rooney, Sneijder, Van der Vaart,

 

[Silver Surfer]

Djené should be available as a Legend or whatever right from the start...

Really? When I search: Team role, Legend only Messi & Ron show up. I don't want to buy him before he 'changes' just incase it stops him for some reason

As for AMFs, if you want regens you should already have a few from these:

- Very fast: Danny, Palacio
- More technical: Hernanes, Carlos Martins, d'Alessandro, Totti, Cassano
- Balanced: Kaká, Quagliarella, Rossi, and I personally love Kuyt
- No idea how they regenerate: Silva, Rooney, Sneijder, Van der Vaart,

I'm a fan of Hernanes, Kaká & Rossi. I've already got Totti, he's out on loan at QPR (lol) until the end of the season so maybe I should just play him next season when he returns.

 

[rebelinho]

Really? When I search: Team role, Legend only Messi & Ron show up. I don't want to buy him before he 'changes' just incase it stops him for some reason.

That's probably a wise choice. As for how many Legends I had/have in my game, it's 7 or 8. I'll check tomorrow.

Also I forgot to ask you: could you please post stats for Rugani and Odegaard?