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Player Stats Increase/Decrease

Ali

It is happening again
I miss the good ol' days when any developing player could get insanely good, like 90s and 95s on all attributes. :(
 

ThaReaper01

Registered User
I've had 3 players get the cut scene so far and a handful of others increase by 1 or 2 without it. Ravel went from 74 to a 78, Zaha from a 78 to an 82 and Herrera was the last but he doesn't play that often so it went away.
 

rebelinho

Moderator
I miss the good ol' days when any developing player could get insanely good, like 90s and 95s on all attributes. :(

In a way I do too, my starting eleven in FC Porto in PES 2013 was around 105 in overall, the worst player was Cillessen with 101 (first and only keeper I've seen surpasing 100 in OVR). But in another way even with a 82/83 OVR team you can get too good for the AI. I'm winning almost everything and everytime with FC Porto in PES2015 and my only players above 85 are Varane and Goretzka. And PES2013 was even easier
 

Ali

It is happening again
Annoyed yesterday because my GK didn't get his big stats boost. Kept 3 clean sheets in a row, made a few saves, but because I didn't actually have that many shots against, he only managed a 6.0 in these matches. Stupid bloody system!
 

rebelinho

Moderator
Annoyed yesterday because my GK didn't get his big stats boost. Kept 3 clean sheets in a row, made a few saves, but because I didn't actually have that many shots against, he only managed a 6.0 in these matches. Stupid bloody system!

I don't know how but I've managed a 7.5 three matches in a row. I think it was during the first games in SS, when I was still adapting, and as Cillessen saves almost everything, he was unplayable.

Apart from those games it was/is extremely difficult for a keeper to get a rating of 6.5 or higher
 

CoachBobby

Registered User
I had the same problem, but on a whim, played De Gea as a striker against an easy team and he scored! Next game, he went to a 94!

The other thing that strikes me as odd, is that some players with terrible stats are actually BETTER than ones with higher ones. For example, a young John Terry with 72 OVR is better than de vrij who is an 89. Young Gerrard is a 77 and is better than William (85 still developing) and Kondrogbia (89 still developing). Both Gerrard and Terry make amazing tackles that even Varane at 94 has a tough time making. Both have bad stats, but play like champions.
 

rebelinho

Moderator
I had the same problem, but on a whim, played De Gea as a striker against an easy team and he scored! Next game, he went to a 94!

The other thing that strikes me as odd, is that some players with terrible stats are actually BETTER than ones with higher ones. For example, a young John Terry with 72 OVR is better than de vrij who is an 89. Young Gerrard is a 77 and is better than William (85 still developing) and Kondrogbia (89 still developing). Both Gerrard and Terry make amazing tackles that even Varane at 94 has a tough time making. Both have bad stats, but play like champions.

It has to do with you actually. I like Ruben Neves, a FC Porto youngster, from the youth team, who has that distinctive style of playing from the former Porto players: he wants to fuck everything and everyone who are above him. Just like Porto had to do during the dictatorship 40 years ago. Tear up the system imposed.

He has a OVR of 67 or so when starting ML. I've always played him as a DMF, always on the starting team. I had Casemiro, Herrera, now Gerrard and Melo, and although these last two are incredible players, who already have a higher OVR compared to Neves, I can always play better with him. Goretzka has 89 OVR, but I never played as calmly, safely, or effectively with him as I do with Neves. It's like they can sense when you like them, and retribute the affection.

And yes, Gerrard is amazing, one of the best midfielders in the game, even when he's 16. I've never tried Terry because he seemed to slow, but I'm willing to do it now
 

CoachBobby

Registered User
And yes, Gerrard is amazing, one of the best midfielders in the game, even when he's 16. I've never tried Terry because he seemed to slow, but I'm willing to do it now

Terry is slow as balls, BUT his ass always seems to be in the right place at the right time. Plus, he makes tackles on his own or with me at the helm that normally I would say, "Oh shit", he's out of the game. No call on him.

I'm currently trying Phil Jones and he seems to be ALMOST the same way, with the exception of being able to run down forwards/mids. He even pushes up on his own if played as a DM and seems to love to get in on the attack, like young Gerrard.
 

rebelinho

Moderator
Terry is slow as balls, BUT his ass always seems to be in the right place at the right time.

I'm currently trying Phil Jones...

That's all I need to know. I'll give him a chance, and proven he isn't as dumb as Distin he might stay in the squad.

I've considered him too when I bought Varane. Even made an excel file with a bunch of useless numbers to compare those two and Sakho for the Cirrhosis Lake FC, only to find they were very similar, but Varane was better and cheper and younger and better. Yes, I said it twice.
 

CoachBobby

Registered User
That's all I need to know. I'll give him a chance, and proven he isn't as dumb as Distin he might stay in the squad.

I've considered him too when I bought Varane. Even made an excel file with a bunch of useless numbers to compare those two and Sakho for the Cirrhosis Lake FC, only to find they were very similar, but Varane was better and cheper and younger and better. Yes, I said it twice.

Let me know how they work out for you. :terry::jones:
 

rebelinho

Moderator
What the actual fuck??

Cilleseen is now 30 going into the 2019/2020 season. He started declining now. When the previous season ended he had an OVF of 86. It's the first week of September and he has already lost one fucking point in OVR??

This is really, really messing with me...
 

Silver Surfer

Registered User
When a player gets the red development arrow and gets the chance to increase in overall rating, does how well they play in the match determine how much they increase..?

For example I have just had a development increase in Goretzka. He played the match well, scored a goal and got a post match rating of 7.5, he went up from 77 OR to 80 OR - not bad. I was wondering if he had scored a hat-trick, and had a 8.0 man of the match rating if he would have risen more from 77 OR to 82/83 OR?
 

ThaReaper01

Registered User
Matt James got the cutscene. I played him in FOUR straight matches only to be told after the fifth match that it wasn't on the cards. Broken fucking mechanic.
 

Silver Surfer

Registered User
Matt James got the cutscene. I played him in FOUR straight matches only to be told after the fifth match that it wasn't on the cards. Broken fucking mechanic.

No way! Thats very unlucky :angry:

Ive heard of people playing there developing players out of position (e.g. defenders as AMC or SS) just to get then to score/assist so they can rise.
Crazy! Defenders should be rewarded for clean sheets just as much as a striker is for scoring.
 

sove

Registered User
When a player gets the red development arrow and gets the chance to increase in overall rating, does how well they play in the match determine how much they increase..?

For example I have just had a development increase in Goretzka. He played the match well, scored a goal and got a post match rating of 7.5, he went up from 77 OR to 80 OR - not bad. I was wondering if he had scored a hat-trick, and had a 8.0 man of the match rating if he would have risen more from 77 OR to 82/83 OR?

I dont think so, i played 15-16 seasons and no one got overal increased by 4. Dont know on wich forum but i read that Blind increased his overal from 81 to 85.
 

Parkinfed

Registered User
When you get the Red Development arrow you need to get a match rating of 6.5 or higher for that player for the OPR to increase. It increases anywhere between 2-4.
 

Ali

It is happening again
It could be to do with how far along the "development bars" are. So If there's quite a few attributes that are already close to increasing, you'll probably get a bigger OR increase.
 

Parkinfed

Registered User
Nah, its pre determined what stats will grow for what player position (registered). LMF and RMF seem to grow by 4 every time...maybe its different for everyone..
 

Ali

It is happening again
Still annoys me that some stats seem to decrease (speed in particular) when the player is still developing. It's happening with Martial for me, who's only 24 yet he's getting slower!
 
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