Possible solution for the Messi/Ronaldo online runner/abusers for PES2011....

[DIECI]

I was thinking, how about introducing an energy bar for next years game that once its used up it takes some time for it to get full again. So basically they could sprint all they want with Messi or Ronaldo but when energy bar goes down they slow down and walk or jog because they are out of breath. It could also affect their shooting and passing accuracy when they use up the energy bar. 2KSports introduced this type of system in NBA2k10 to limit the abuse by people using Kobe or Lebron and for the most part it works well.

This could also be implemented on defensive situations like pressure, you could pressure for a certain amount of time but once you use up your energy you need to lay back and rest a bit to regain your stamina. If you dont and you keep abusing it, the player could simply bend over and put his hands on his hips to regain his strenght and he would basically be useless to you until he recovers. I think this would add a lot of realism to the game and also make it more evenly balanced and more team/pass oriented.

Here is a good explination of how the 2K system works in NBA2k10 (from IGN)

"2K10 now adds a new energy system beneath your players, which indicates how long they can continually sprint to push the fast break or get back for that last second defensive play to deny an opponent an easy shot. This bar goes in one of two stages: once you deplete your yellow bar that indicates your sprinting energy, you start to burn off a player's stamina. Depending on how much you use, you may have to rest that athlete for longer times before they get a chance to return to the court. This balancing act between running all out and saving your turbo works well, and ensures that the game won't degenerate to arcade-like speed exhibitions on the floor".




Thoughts???

 

[dicky_t]

are you suggesting they just implement something NEW into the game ,that they will get horribly wrong ,giving us something NEW to complain about?

if so ,your idea was suggested several years ago on this site,but both seabass and konami thought exactly what i wrote

but seriously why do that ,when you will just be making a bad game play even worse ,the game needs a serious overhaul not just in animations and control but in the way the programmers actually view the game and the way they program it to make it seem more enjoyable and more commercially viable ,rather than the accurate simulation we all crave

 

[DIECI]

Well the idea is for them to implement it correctly and make it work right. As for the game, I don't feel its bad, its a good game but it has its issues and could be even better if they took the time to think on how to improve it and make it more of a simulation. I think such a system would definitely give it more of a simulation feel (if done correctly).

 

[Kubi_KZ]

Good idea. I believe it would make the game more enjoyable online.

I also believe I saw something similar in FIFA.

 

[dicky_t]

i should laugh at you ,asking them to get it right ,but once again your missing the point ,the whole reason for you wanting to implement this into the game ,is because you cant stop these players or have trouble doing so ,where the simple soloution would be to lower certain players stats and take away the superhuman feel ,not only that the game is attack biased ,and gives forewards the advantage in headers ,50/50`s and collisions ,it is scripted that way and that is clearly what is wrong with pes ,even dribbling now is way too easy and aimed at the noob player in which to wow the player into thinking i score some good goals ,but when some body uses these players and tactics against another user its deemed "unplayable"

the game has lost its simulation feel ,the basic things you should be able to do easy ,the hard things should be difficult to do ,but rewarding when you do them

 

[DIECI]

Actually Messi and Ronaldo are quite stoppable if you know how to play defense and know how to position your players against them. Ofcourse I'm talking about a lag free game, if there's lag then God needs to be on your side to stop anyone not just the super players . I just thought that adding a stamina bar would add realism to the game, as it has in NBA2k10 compared to the older 2k bball titles and it works very well, so thats where I got the idea. As for the other issues like 50/50 balls, collission, scripting, headers etc.... yes, they should be addressed as well but those are issues that all previous PES games have had. Run down the side, cross and head the ball in has been an issue since Winning Eleven 3 or 4 from what I could remember, I know because my friend would do it all the time with Milan.... Cafu down the line, cross, Shevchenko Header all day! But I don't want to get into a whole discussion about other issues. I was just suggesting "if done well" a stamina bar for all players offensive and defensive as to limit sprinting through out the game.