Quite difficult to play at Super Star level

[cadburyho]

Hi guys,
How do you find playing at the Super Star level. I used to play at the highest level on all the past edition and winning all major trophies but this one really have me fully beaten. I gave away a lot of silly goals esp via through passes. Even with England I lost to Zambia 2-3. I started playing the Master League with Blackburn Rovers and after 4 defeats , I was languishing at the bottom of the table. I have no clue how to defend properly as my defenders were always too slow to intercept the ball even with 5 of them at the back.

Is there a strategy to defend properly. I tried man to man marking to no avail.

Comments appreciated.

 

[superpes]

http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=96755
look at my post , on this thread.It works against superstar too.

 

[cadburyho]

http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=96755
look at my post , on this thread.It works against superstar too.

Hey thanks man for the information. I will give a try.

 

[optimistic]

Hi guys,
How do you find playing at the Super Star level. I used to play at the highest level on all the past edition and winning all major trophies but this one really have me fully beaten. I gave away a lot of silly goals esp via through passes. Even with England I lost to Zambia 2-3. I started playing the Master League with Blackburn Rovers and after 4 defeats , I was languishing at the bottom of the table. I have no clue how to defend properly as my defenders were always too slow to intercept the ball even with 5 of them at the back.

Is there a strategy to defend properly. I tried man to man marking to no avail.

Comments appreciated.

I am on PS3
I also find playing at super star level is extremely hard, only recently I changed my ML difficulty level from professional to Super Star to get some chanllenge, I can win a lot of games at professional level, but at
super star I can barely win a single game, winning at super star is just too much to ask for especially vs a strong team or average team. Opposition AI can always score some unstoppable goals to lead or equalize, I dont know how to defend effectively at super star. Somebody please help.

Mod Ali mentioned in another thread at super star level he got promoted
in 2 division and win 1 division league champion by using Bolton, he only lost once. I want to know how Ali managed to defend so well, hope he can tell us some methods to defend on super star level.

Anyone got more tips on how to defend at super star level, plz share with me and other PES gamers, Thanks.

 

[Ali]

Ermm.... I don't really have any specific tips with regards to defending. But you know what they say - attack is the best form of defence. So buy good forwards and midfielders!

 

[optimistic]

Ermm.... I don't really have any specific tips with regards to defending. But you know what they say - attack is the best form of defence. So buy good forwards and midfielders!

Thanks for your reply

I also think attacking more and scoring more goals is a good tactic for defending, but there must be something I can do to defend better, maybe buy top defenders with high stats like cheillini, dont know.

I will defintely buy a good CF for more goals, but they cost quite a bit.
So basically I need to score loads of goals, then opponent AI can never
catch up, LOL.

 

[Victory_22]

Thanks for your reply

I also think attacking more and scoring more goals is a good tactic for defending, but there must be something I can do to defend better, maybe buy top defenders with high stats like cheillini, dont know.

I will defintely buy a good CF for more goals, but they cost quite a bit.
So basically I need to score loads of goals, then opponent AI can never
catch up, LOL.

Your right it is extremely difficult. I play with D2 teams and am unstoppable against any team on top player but sometimes struggle on superstar (lose or draw about every 4th game).

Perfecting defense is crucial on superstar, the key to defending is to not defend aggressively. Stay goal side about 1 pes metre :unsure: from the player on ball and track back occasionally pressing x to stay facing the player. They will eventually shoot from a distance, have a poor touch to tackle and your team will track back if all out defense is selected in the formation settings. As said before foul straight from the kick off and DO NOT use square to call for support (except some circumstances.) your AI will lose 90% of the time. Also try to out possess the AI if possible and play many short safe passes from outback, this often turns the game in your favor.

Overall focus on defense and preventing goals rather then outscoring and the goals and wins will come.

 

[matthewjohn85]

its really not that difficult ! sure im 4th in the league and find it challenging but in 11 games iv'e only conceded 8 goals and scored 12 because i can keep it tight at the back but sometimes i find it hard to score and other games i can score 2 or 3. but basically one thing you need to know about being able to defend on superstar is you can't rush in and close down the AI player everytime they pass and so on you need to jockey and back off and make sure switching L1 and closing the space for the AI's next pass while using circle presure by teammate (fifa controls) to eventually win the ball back but obviously theirs time where double X is ok when on edge of the box and while they're cutting in from wide.

 

[stiker]

I have always played in superstar... got promoted after 2 seasons in d2, I think the key is concentration... try to keep possession and focus on the game, don't take to many risks with risky passes... and fancy goals might not always be the way to go... sometimes a shot is better than walkin the ball into the net... and u haven't won till the whistle is blown...

 

[ThaReaper01]

I honestly found Top Player much more difficult than Superstar. My record on SS was 1-3-2, but I was always competitive. I never lost by more than 1 goal. I created chances, had possession and would usually be disappointed in not taking 3 points. On Top Player, I got dominated. The AI strikers danced around my defense. All my attacks broke down and led to counter attacks.

I started my ML on Top Player and lost my first 3 in the league and my one match in Europe. I lost 2-0 to Brighton FFS. Professional wa basically the same as SS, for me.

 

[Witless]

One top Superstar defending tip: as a rule, try to close down opposing forwards with your midfielders whenever possible. The Superstar AI thrives on instances where a CB is lured from his position, especially with teams who play with two out-and-out strikers. If you track back and press with a CMF or winger, though, your back line maintains its shape - and this means that you're more likely to intercept those infernal through-balls, or have someone in place to pick up a run.

If you've played much football in real life, you'll know about how annoying it is to hear teammates yell "STAND HIM UP!" when you're defending. But the logic is always sound, and applies just as well to PES. If you stand off a little and slow a player down, he'll generally look for a pass... which means that you have a chance to make an interception, or punish a poor first touch by the receiving player. Charging in with double-tap tackles has its place, but should never be the cornerstone of your defensive strategy.

I know it’s hard to maintain your discipline when you’re chasing a goal, and even really good PES 2015 players experience lapses where they turn an average opposing striker into a world-class matador by firing defenders on a straight line collision course. I will say, though, that I “cracked” Superstar when I slowed down and learned to savour the defensive aspect of the game.

 

[EMP]

I found playing top player for a season or two before switching to superstar made it alot less daunting.

 

[rebelinho]

I honestly found Top Player much more difficult than Superstar. My record on SS was 1-3-2, but I was always competitive. I never lost by more than 1 goal. I created chances, had possession and would usually be disappointed in not taking 3 points. On Top Player, I got dominated. The AI strikers danced around my defense. All my attacks broke down and led to counter attacks.

I started my ML on Top Player and lost my first 3 in the league and my one match in Europe. I lost 2-0 to Brighton FFS. Professional wa basically the same as SS, for me.

Same here, Top Player is complete robbery, the fucking game gets the ball like magic, and scores the shittiest goals.

Super Star is the best difficulty level. Just like Pro it is fair, but more challenging. It gets a bit unrealistic in SS because even the worst teams play well, which isn't possible IRL, but no sweaty goals, own goals, that fucking backline possesion Top Player has, and specially no more frustration. It is a rewarding game, and lots of fun when you start to understand it.

Regarding playing against the AI when...

- Attacking: Possession, possession, and more possession. Keep the ball circulating until you find a breach. There's no hurry, so don't rush things. Sooner or later the opposition will screw up. Of course this method requires good passers, so good midfielders and wingers with good pass stats are required. The tatics are a bit more complex, if anybody wants I'll post here my experience.

- Defending: Calm and concentration are the main words. Never, under no circumstances, attack the player with the ball with your CB (on a three man backline) or start the play by running with a CB (even if you have two). The defense will get completely ruined, and if you lose the ball be prepared to take one in. When the opposition is attacking give them space. Man marking is extremely tiring for your players, and they always have somebody to pass. The only exception is if you play with a very attacking tatic, like my 3-2-2-3, and you can use 2 AMFs, 2 WFs and a CF to pressure the opposition right on their area (the CF and the AMFs pressure directly, the WF go back and protect the sides. Even if I can't get the ball they are forced to go to the sides, and then the WF provide extra help). But with more balanced tatics you can't get enough players upfront to get the ball early on. So my advice it to let them reach you. The closer they get to your area the more crowded it is, and more difficult it is for them to pass the ball around. Destroy the available pass lines, siege the player with the ball. If you can, force them to the sides, this way they lose almost 50% of the available places to pass. In summary, keep calm, pressure them only when they get to your area, try to force them to the sideline, and remember: this is a difficult game, if you want something easy go play F!FA. Practice and experience make perfect, but as always, it takes time. Don't panic

 

[Parkinfed]

The tatics are a bit more complex, if anybody wants I'll post here my experience.

Go go go!

So my advice it to let them reach you. The closer they get to your area the more crowded it is, and more difficult it is for them to pass the ball around. Destroy the available pass lines, siege the player with the ball. If you can, force them to the sides, this way they lose almost 50% of the available places to pass.

So, would you recommend playing with AOD (all out defense) rather than using Front Line Pressure (FLP)?

 

[Coxy101]

I play on superstar and its perfect for me, definitely winnable with the right tactics.

I strongly recommend the tactical advice given by witness & rebelinho. Defending is key- hold the formation, be patient, and control the midfielders or wingers rather than the defenders. Practice manually switching to control the right player- I find the use of the right stick essential in emergency situations, especially when the CPU is on the counterattack.

I know this is a ridiculously dull tactic, but find that you can keep the ball for unlimited periods if you knock it around the back when you are winning. I personally try not to do it, but if you need the win...

Finally, and I know its also very obvious, but you need a good team to win on superstar mode. In easier modes I can win with an average team, but in superstar I will generally look to have one of the best teams in the league to do well. As well as giving me the players with the abilities to dominate in attack and defence, I also find that having a better team minimises the amount of CPU boosting / momentum that the AI seems to get in certain fixtures (unproven, that's just my opinion). Just don't make your team too good, because that is also boring

 

[Coxy101]

So, would you recommend playing with AOD (all out defense) rather than using Front Line Pressure (FLP)?

I use frontline pressure, but set it to many players coming back to defend (making sure I pressure the ball with midfielders or attacking players). Seems to work well, but realistically do not expect to win the ball back high up the pitch. I look to contain the opposition in their own half, and win possession back when they enter my half. I felt my players let the opposition too close to my own box using OAD, resulting in too many chances for the CPU.

 

[rebelinho]

I use frontline pressure, but set it to many players coming back to defend (making sure I pressure the ball with midfielders or attacking players). Seems to work well, but realistically do not expect to win the ball back high up the pitch. I look to contain the opposition in their own half, and win possession back when they enter my half. I felt my players let the opposition too close to my own box using OAD, resulting in too many chances for the CPU.

[MENTION=210887]Parkinfed[/MENTION] exactly this. I find AOD to work better with counter attacking style, not sure why. Either way, that bold sentence sum it up perfectly

 

[Parkinfed]

Hi, i've been doing some tests over the last two days. I've made some good discoveries. it's very easy to create a good variety of systems.

I've found some good sets to base teams off.

The key to attacks is these settings, everything else is based off these four gameplan styles.

Short Pass + Possession game = Tiki Taka
Using the other values can change the focal attacking players. teams keep the ball for long periods of play and use quick interchanges to find room to score.

Teams seem to refuse to cross regardless of set to wide or center.

Long Pass + Possession game = Long ball/Hoofball or Cross Merchent
The gameplan here with team set to center attack means the CPU will just look to laugh long balls from their center backs to the target man, all the time! Literally they don't do much else. Very reminiscent of Stoke under Pulis

If set to wide attack, it will change the team to constantly cross from the flanks

Short Pass + Counter attack = Quick Counter/Real Madrid style play
Works very well and effectively with teams like Bayern Leverkusen and other Bundersliga teams

Long Pass + Counter attack = Typical counter attack
Good for teams like Aston Villa, West Brom and Crystal palace under Pulis last year.

I've done the premiership, Barcelona, Atletico, Leverkusen and some others, i need to make the photoshop graphic, and i'll try next year to do some videos showing off what can be done.

I'm sure Konami will patch the game and expand on the depth but planning higher lines to teams and less teams set to possession/shot pass is getting a far better an bigger variety than on default. Also Konami massively messed up with Atletico and many of the 'defensive' formations.

Klashman, good explanation on attacking strategies. I tested a bit the defensive side of things and in particular the Defensive style - Pressing combinations. I see it like this at the moment (will follow your pattern of explaining):

Front-line pressure + Aggressive pressing = High pressure. Teams that press aggresively in the opponent half. Barcelona, Bayern, Bayer Leverkusen, Chile NT.

Front-line pressure + Conservative pressing = Medium-high defensive block. Teams that defend in a highish block, but do not press agressively, prefering to stay in a compact unit and to cut off passing lines instead. Germany NT, Benfica.

All-out defence + Aggressive pressing = Aggressive defence. Teams that let opponents to come closer before hitting them hard in their own half. Atletico Madrid, Uruguay NT.

All-out defence + Conservative pressing = Deep defence. Teams that defend in their own half prefering to keep men behind the ball. Majority of second tier teams in all leagues, Schalke, Udinese etc.


The thing I am not sure is how defensive area (Wide or Middle) affects the way teams defend. Anyone has tested it more profoundly?

Copied from a thread on another site LINK


This is the most helpful thing I found on the net regarding tactics this year, do you agree with what was said?

[MENTION=215711]rebelinho[/MENTION] I'm curious about what you said regarding CTR ATK and AOD, what would you rather use Aggressive pressuring or Conservative Pressuring?

 

[rebelinho]

Regarding attack I can't really give any advice, just use the one that suits your style, formation and players best.

Regarding defence I would separate it in two categories:

- Against lower teams, this is, games you are likely to win. In such games you can take advantage of your superiority and pressure them up high. So I would use a frontline aggressive pressing.

- Similar or higher level teams: most of the times, in SS difficulty level, this is the case. There's no point in running after the ball if they can pass it around, so save your players stamina and wait for them. For similar teams a frontline conservative pressure is enough, but if your playing high grade games, like semi finals in UCL or higher, and/or against better teams, it might be good to change. Using an aggresive AOD might be better, this way the defence is lower on the pitch and you can prevent the opposition from quickly reach your area. I reckon the conservative AOD is just too defensive to be used, just like the old Catenaccio.

Another thing to have in mind is that the defensive style narrows down the attacking style you can use. If you play AOD either CA and Possession game can be used, even if CA might work a little bit better. But if you defend high on the pitch you can't really do anything other than maintain the ball up high.

 

[rebelinho]

So... I've played a few more games and this is my experience:

- agressive AOD is probably the best, at least for me
- SS is completely unrealistic, the way Belenenses passes te ball around is enough to win 5-0 to the best Guardiola's Barcelona 10 games in a row
- more often than not the opposition just doesn't lose the ball, 1-vs-1 they can always pass, and during physical struggles they are unbeatable.
- in SS the usual fucking tatic the AI uses when attacking is still there: the winger goes by the line, gets back, goes paralel to the goal line, it's impossible to get the ball from him, passes, goal. Does anyone know a way to stop this? They score 75% of their goals like this, and I can't do anything to stop them

EDIT: This just happened. Julian Brandt, a german winger, 22 yo, very fast on and off the ball, with green stamina, gets EASILY outpaced by a 16 yo Van Buyten, one of the slowest players of the game, with no visible stamina on his bar. Please explain