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Regular too easy, professional too hard?

Militico

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I have been playing my first masterleague as Napoli, and I started on regular. By Jan/Feb of the season I was cruising (they have a pretty good team + purchases), easily thumping 5 goals against poorer sides. So I thought, regular is too easy, up it to professional. But the problem with professional is, it's too hard! I remember there was never much distinction between top player and professional (in fact me and my mates used to say professional was harder because the CPU attacks more on top player, leaving space open). Once you're on professional, the worst team in the league is practically as good as the best (Inter, Real) is on regular.

I did used to play older PES on top player but you really needed to pick a halfway decent team. And there's always been a problem I noticed with the game. Upping the difficulty doesn't really make it any more 'realistic' per se or the opposition 'harder' in that they're creative. All it does is make their defense infuriatingly efficient. They don't make mistakes or leave space open, and their tackles come in too quickly, you can't anticipate them. The animation is too fast. Anybody who plays football knows that when you're faced with a defender you play close attention to his movement, because if he commits too early you can pass him. But it seems you can't realistically anticipate on PES with this tiny little players on your computer screen.

So basically, since their defense is so competent, all the CPU's tactic is to absorb your attack and then counter. That's it. And they inevitably bundle in some goal under dubious circumstances after you've lost the ball pressing all your men forward. The problem is, you can never really organize your defense as efficiently as the CPU, so you're always vulnerable to the counter. The problem with regular is that it sucks all the fun out when you thrash the computer every time, but on professional upwards they become annoyingly good at defending.

What do you think? How do you cope on higher difficulties?

My tactics for scoring on regular were mainly waiting for the right moment for a lofted through ball over the top (usually at an angle) to stretch defence or get straight in on goal, or going wide and crossing low. Once you've got good players the latter results in a goal like 80% of the time because the CPU doesn't really defend the wings well. What tactics work well to ensure goals on higher difficulties? I found I could use a lot of the dribbling skills on regular but on professional they close down so quick you just have to pass before you can pull it off on the controller.
 

Swanee

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I think professional level is the best most rounded level of them all I never drop down to regular so can't comment on it but pro level reminds me of top player of a few years ago the CPU will play to their strengths and you can exploit their weaknesses! Its balanced I've won games well scrapped wins and draws lost heavily and lost games I shouldn't so for me its the most well balanced and gives the best experience. Going up to top player or superstar infuriates me with the scripting,the CPUs overpowered defence and attack which are impossible to penetrate and defend against respectively. My advice stick with pro level it may take time for you to acclimatise to it from regular but its rewarding imo
 

Stormrider

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On professional and higher it's about more than just being good on the pitch. You have to be tactical as well. When going up against teams with good players, you should man mark those players. Some players I would even double mark. Also make use of your defense/offense bar (L2+up/down). When playing against stronger teams than yours, it would be wise to set the bar more towards defense if you wanna keep the score low. Just like in reality, good teams are usually very cautious against each other and don't commit too much men to the attack unless they're forced to. If you're feeling adventurous, feel free to up the attack bar against weaker opposition.

Just keep at it and soon enough you'll outgrow professional and find it too easy, just like you did with regular. After the patch they did make it easier so there is quite a big difference between a poor team and a top team most of the times. Of course there will be times when they feel like a top team, just like the Portugal vs Northern Ireland match but that's football :)
 

Militico

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I played some more matches and it seemed okay, out of 4 matches on professional 1 loss, 2 wins 1 draw. I didn't mind the loss too much even though the CPU's goals were predictably messy and gained by countering. I made a lot of chances so it was my fault for not finishing.

However it comes to the Europa knockout match against Malaga. Predictably the CPU sits behind the ball. After first half both sides have 0 shots on goal, and I have 65% possession (something like that, might have been more). So you can see why there were 0 shots, they just sit behind the ball, and I did well to cut out their counters every single time. Second half not so lucky. Predictably, loft a ball up to one of their big dumb strikers, who always manages to control it and get in on goal, shoots, keeper saves but fumbles into path of other striker, goal. Defence AWOL.

All they have to do for rest of match is sit behind defense. Always have like 7 men behind the ball at least. Freaking infuriating. The game doesn't reward creative or aggressive play. In my anger I reset PC. Some matches you just can't accept the loss because you've completely outplayed them and thrown everything but the kitchen sink at them and still come out empty handed.

You can sometimes replay matches and they actually change tactics to attack and open up more. Whenever they do that you hammer them 3-0. To be honest I think the AI is somewhat broken. And the game can't be too realistic. I play 10 minute matches. With the CPU's ultra realistic defense you might as well play a full 90 minutes to actually get the goals.
 

raphael2012

Registered User
To win matches in ML you just have to not let the CPU score many goals
It's normal the cpu with good teams score at least one goal at the match, so relax .
To defend well just don't rush the defence ,get time to your defenders come back.
DONT SPAM the R1[Rb] + X [A]

To score goals i use a lot of passing to build the play and when my CA or SA get into the box ,or near it I pass to him then just turn to the good leg kick and shoot .Inside the box it's a deadly ball .

Against CPU i usually spam fake shots to turn directions quickly .
Just press [] (X)then X (A),do not push any direction button .
 

Militico

Registered User
To win matches in ML you just have to not let the CPU score many goals
It's normal the cpu with good teams score at least one goal at the match, so relax .
To defend well just don't rush the defence ,get time to your defenders come back.
DONT SPAM the R1[Rb] + X [A]

To score goals i use a lot of passing to build the play and when my CA or SA get into the box ,or near it I pass to him then just turn to the good leg kick and shoot .Inside the box it's a deadly ball .

Against CPU i usually spam fake shots to turn directions quickly .
Just press [] (X)then X (A),do not push any direction button .

I'm thinking of making my matches 15 minutes long so that if they score I have enough time for a reply. On professional they can just sit behind the ball too easily. Yeah I used to use shot feints a lot on the older PESs but it seems to be redundant now, it does not fool defenders like it used to, they just react as if nothing happened
 

raphael2012

Registered User
do fake shot to kill the ball and change direction
fake it but don't press any direction button ...then you change direction
it's usefull as hell
 

Coxy101

Registered User
To win matches in ML you just have to not let the CPU score many goals
It's normal the cpu with good teams score at least one goal at the match, so relax .
To defend well just don't rush the defence ,get time to your defenders come back.
DONT SPAM the R1[Rb] + X [A]

To score goals i use a lot of passing to build the play and when my CA or SA get into the box ,or near it I pass to him then just turn to the good leg kick and shoot .Inside the box it's a deadly ball .

Against CPU i usually spam fake shots to turn directions quickly .
Just press [] (X)then X (A),do not push any direction button .

This is good advice. I play on top player and its great. I also ended up enjoying master league on top player on the last game (2012), despite initial difficulties. I am no master but I will share my tips.

To get organised defensively, I strongly recommend a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1, with one deep holding midfielder and two tight CMs. The DM should have a very high defence rating, preferably at least 80, and I recommend no less than a 65 defence rating for the two centre mids. They should also have 3 for defensive awareness. Similarly full backs who can defend (75+ rating) and have the awareness (otherwise they are continually standing still out of position) are essential.

When defending, dont hammer the tackle button. Instead track runners, try and block crosses, keep the DM in front of the CBs. Most important of all, never drag your CBs out of position.

The best form of defence in PES is possession. If you feel the CPU are starting to dominate, get the ball and play it around the back and midfield. They will only get it if they press. If they press, counter quickly down the wings. Its essential to have good allround midfielders who can pick a pass as well as defend.

Sometimes you will get beat with a ridiculous mistake or unstoppable goal which is clearly down to scripting. However I find that by following these tactics, it happens less and less, and its rewarding to play solid defence to stop this.

Attacking wise, I score at a decent rate, probably on average around 2-3 per game for 10 minute matches. I agree with the patience tip. Get the ball into your striker and get shots off with his stronger foot. Through balls are difficult but cut backs from the wing are effective. I recommend all attackers to have a powerful shot and good body balance. Wingers need burning pace, and again I recommend players with powerful shots.

I also find the higher ratings all my players have, the less AI 'cheating' I encounter. Try and get a team with all the starting XI at 85 overall and above.

Most of all it takes time and practice. I probably spent 3-4 seasons on PES 2012 master league before I got to a level where top player felt very winnable. If you dont have the time to practice, then I would agree that staying on a lower difficulty level is the way to go.
 

Rapid Counter

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I started on Normal, it was way too easy even with default players on ML. Went to professional with default players and after 4 seasons with my default team Won the treble so I have moved it up to Top Player. I have won 3 games an beat Man City in the super cup.

Do I prefer Top Player to Professional? It's more of a challenge but im not sure.

On top player any team seems relentless in the final third. Ive got to concentrate against any team. Each team feels the same on top player, so that isn't so good.

Ill try ML on top player from the beginning soon. That will be frustrating!
 

Militico

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I'm on top player now and tbh I think I've 'beat' the game. My Napoli team is monstrously good already by the end of second season (note that I started it again, having reached third season on another Napoli ML) - by mid second season professional difficulty was too easy and so I switched to top player. The difference between the two is marginal. I'd say the computer holds possession better on top player but tbh that feels more like a difference in tactics rather than actual difficulty.

Thing is, your players seems to develop much quicker than the CPUs (I made a thread about this and from further observation it is definitely true). My team is just monstrous. I have 4 players in the top 10 rated players - Zuniga at 102; Reto Ziegler at 100; Cavani at 98; Hamsik at 96; and Dzemaili is 11th at 95 (note that they have boots equipped but I refuse to use + player stat items). It feels like it's much easier to create a super-team than it was on older versions - I'm sure it took more seasons to create that perfect squad.

So it feels like I've actually cracked the game. Cavani has netted something like 60+ goals this season (including 18 in champions league), playing half on professional and half on top player. Crazy.
 

Rapid Counter

Registered User
"do fake shot to kill the ball and change direction
fake it but don't press any direction button ...then you change direction
it's usefull as hell"

I thought doing it without direction would do nothing, I was wrong!

Surely this is cheating! I love doing this but it is too easy sometimes. The computer A.I fools for it nearly every time, some times they fall on their but and you just walk around them.

I scored a great goal doing this. (so I thought) I ran down the left side of the 18 yard box with a defender to my right, just as he was about to tackle me I pressed shoot/pass no direction, immediately after I pressed R2 and shoot (finesse shot) It went in the top corner with the defender on the floor and the keeper routed to his spot.

This happened time and time again against the com A.I until I noticed that it is really easy and is a cheap way of scoring! (even though IRL it is really hard to do!)

Basically when running down the left/right the goalkeeper sidesteps to his post the more you get to one side of the goal, when you press fake shot the com player gets fooled enough for a quick curling shot. As soon as you fake shoot the shot is immediately pressed on the controller so the keeper has no chance to move his feet, the finesse shot puts it in the corner so the keeper has no chance.

If I do a fake shot now I don't immediately press R2/Shoot it feels like cheating!

I've gone off top player on ML but if I play any other game I play Top player.

I like the player individuality on Prof. I think there is quite a gap between Prof and Top player.
 

Pistol SFC

Registered User
I started my ML on top player but have moved to prof and i'm still getting my a$$ handed to me!

I've played 8 games, lost 7 and drew 1, conceeded 21 goals and scored 3....the issue I'm having is defending against scripted goals (over the top balls, on the floor through balls) they just always manage to get in behind my defence and I can't catch them for anything :(

EDIT: After sussing the use of A.I pressure when they're on the ball and super cancel I won my first game this morning 1-0 against Blackburn, my advice is these two features are key to success!
 
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Ali

It is happening again
I started my ML on top player but have moved to prof and i'm still getting my a$$ handed to me!

I've played 8 games, lost 7 and drew 1, conceeded 21 goals and scored 3....the issue I'm having is defending against scripted goals (over the top balls, on the floor through balls) they just always manage to get in behind my defence and I can't catch them for anything :(

EDIT: After sussing the use of A.I pressure when they're on the ball and super cancel I won my first game this morning 1-0 against Blackburn, my advice is these two features are key to success!

What team are you?
 
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