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Second Demo, Second Opinion

Craney91

Registered User
Could there be a more suited user name for you than "Amateur?"

Because you my friend, are very very very amateur.

I've read your wall of texts in reply to my comment and other peoples. If I was you, I'd try and get out just a tad more, it seems only football games are on your brain. You cannot differentiate a football GAME...from real life, You are NOT looking for a FOOTBALL GAME, you are looking for something that isn't even feasible for a computer game, because believe it or not the real thing does itself exists, you know, where you go to a football match or watch it on the tele?

I don't play a COMPUTER GAME to be so controlled and brainwashed by it, I play it to sit back and enjoy. I'd argue first that both football games are not as good as they can be, but out of the two...Pro Evo does a better job than FIFA...FOR ME.

You then go on with you little kiddy school playground rant;

"You were kind enough to tell me how much of an idiot I am, you even added completely unnecessary smileys to reaffirm how much of a twat you truly are, yet you were not very giving with the actually relevant and objective facts; why is movement within space very very very possible? and why is it not just a gimmick? a similar gimmick to the FIFA tricks system perhaps? Please, do enlighten me with your knowledge...."

So what about your wall of meaningless texts every single fucking comment then? Does this reaffirm how much of a deluded, brainwashed twat you are then?

You are an idiot pal, your making assumptions without actually playing the demo, play the demo THEN have an opinion. KNOW what you are talking about, not THINK. Wall of text, upon wall of text, upon FUCKING WALL OF TEXT to try and emphasize your brainless and meaningless points. You are not looking for a football game, you are looking for real life. If you got out more instead of playing computer games and dossing around on "internet commando" forums, you may find that the experience you are after, IS OUT THERE. It's called 3pm on a Saturday afternoon, you could maybe even play the sport it yourself, if you of course are able. ;)

UNLIKE YOU, some of us can't sit on a forum all day, explaining our every point to the fullest, like you seem to do 99% of the time. Not to mention some of us just don't give a flying fuck what you have to say, so all that time, effort and energy you put in to these essay's, is totally and utterly meaningless. You talk absolute codswallop behind your clever clogs persona. Controller config this, movement in space that, I KNOW how to make this etc etc etc

If you KNOW what you want, whats stopping you from making this football game?

That's right, excuses, your full of them....and you know it. Your incapable of doing so, therefore have this "I know best" BS attitude. Mate, you know absolutely fuck all. No value whatsoever to the community, no meaning, no worth.

Just a total Amateur....and when you upgrade yourself up to Top Player, come again prick....please.
 

MysteryMan

Registered User
no matter who is the AI player, his core abilities (agility, dribbling, response...) have been artificially increased and the teams are now more leveled.
I see things on the field terrifying me:Internacional players who continuously control the ball and dribble like Messi. I think there good pass rate is over 90%, while in real life is about 70%-75%.

This is one of the biggest issues that is holding pes 2012 back atm.

Dribbling is good, but the problem is that EVERY player dribbles good, there is no inviduality.
Same goes for all the other areas of play, there is too little difference between them, in the previus PES games there was a huge difference when someone had 90DA and 90DS compared to someone who had 80 or even less, in PES 2012 theres little to no difference, the real difference becomes obvious with like 20 less or so.

For example if you look at Barca in real life you have Messi, Iniesta and Sanchez who are really great dribblers and they can beat their man most of the time, but here in PES 2012 you could do that with pretty much every player, because the differences in stats are just too little.
 

James_dean

Registered User
Could there be a more suited user name for you than "Amateur?"

Because you my friend, are very very very amateur.

I've read your wall of texts in reply to my comment and other peoples. If I was you, I'd try and get out just a tad more, it seems only football games are on your brain. You cannot differentiate a football GAME...from real life, You are NOT looking for a FOOTBALL GAME, you are looking for something that isn't even feasible for a computer game, because believe it or not the real thing does itself exists, you know, where you go to a football match or watch it on the tele?

I don't play a COMPUTER GAME to be so controlled and brainwashed by it, I play it to sit back and enjoy. I'd argue first that both football games are not as good as they can be, but out of the two...Pro Evo does a better job than FIFA...FOR ME.

You then go on with you little kiddy school playground rant;

"You were kind enough to tell me how much of an idiot I am, you even added completely unnecessary smileys to reaffirm how much of a twat you truly are, yet you were not very giving with the actually relevant and objective facts; why is movement within space very very very possible? and why is it not just a gimmick? a similar gimmick to the FIFA tricks system perhaps? Please, do enlighten me with your knowledge...."

So what about your wall of meaningless texts every single fucking comment then? Does this reaffirm how much of a deluded, brainwashed twat you are then?

You are an idiot pal, your making assumptions without actually playing the demo, play the demo THEN have an opinion. KNOW what you are talking about, not THINK. Wall of text, upon wall of text, upon FUCKING WALL OF TEXT to try and emphasize your brainless and meaningless points. You are not looking for a football game, you are looking for real life. If you got out more instead of playing computer games and dossing around on "internet commando" forums, you may find that the experience you are after, IS OUT THERE. It's called 3pm on a Saturday afternoon, you could maybe even play the sport it yourself, if you of course are able. ;)

UNLIKE YOU, some of us can't sit on a forum all day, explaining our every point to the fullest, like you seem to do 99% of the time. Not to mention some of us just don't give a flying fuck what you have to say, so all that time, effort and energy you put in to these essay's, is totally and utterly meaningless. You talk absolute codswallop behind your clever clogs persona. Controller config this, movement in space that, I KNOW how to make this etc etc etc

If you KNOW what you want, whats stopping you from making this football game?

That's right, excuses, your full of them....and you know it. Your incapable of doing so, therefore have this "I know best" BS attitude. Mate, you know absolutely fuck all. No value whatsoever to the community, no meaning, no worth.

Just a total Amateur....and when you upgrade yourself up to Top Player, come again prick....please.

Actually I think you are both right :)

To me Amateur is a bit like Einstein, he looks to to future and dousn´t accept the limits of modern times.
To me Craney91 (and most people on this site and I´m no exception!) choose to go with the flow, It´s much easier to live that way.

Remember all the people who were burned alive for saying the earth was round?
Amateur is simply pointing out a possible future for football(soccer) games to be made in a pretty stale and non progressive gaming world.

Though * I encourage Amateur to try the Demo 2 out :)
 

Craney91

Registered User
Actually I think you are both right :)

To me Amateur is a bit like Einstein, he looks to to future and dousn´t accept the limits of modern times.
To me Craney91 (and most people on this site and I´m no exception!) choose to go with the flow, It´s much easier to live that way.

Remember all the people who were burned alive for saying the earth was round?
Amateur is simply pointing out a possible future for football(soccer) games to be made in a pretty stale and non progressive gaming world.

Though * I encourage Amateur to try the Demo 2 out :)

I wouldn't say that mate. I look at the now and the future, not just at football games either. ;)

I just know the difference between a computer game and real life, I think some of the things he says are relevant but you need to grasp the difference between a game and real life. I don't think he quite does! If I want a laugh, escape and some R&R I play computer games, If I want to be there and captivated, in it, of it and living it, I do the real thing, or watch it.

For someone who has not played the 2nd demo at the very least, saying something like movement is impossible is pretty fucking arrogant. Yet he seems to "know" this, is he mystic meg in disguise? PES 2011's dribbling/movement/responsiveness was terrible, it was jerky, sloppy, uncontrollable and un-responsive. PES was always renowned for the dribbling aspect in the good days, so last year disappointed me a little, but the focus was making a game base and focusing on the passing. So we can have a solid whole game in the future. This year though, all has been focused on and the dribbling reminds me of old but with a rather large twist, there is more freedom now.

This is the main problem with FIFA, they don't have the base sorted, therefore they add more BS on top of an already broken game. That's why we get the same shit every year, combined with the fact that EA Sports are cushty, powerfull and afraid of change and to take risks.

I myself bang on all the time that neither game is as good as it could be or even should be at this time. But what you must remember is, it's like that for a reason. They have to hold back and look the other way at things, to keep the blind public buying every year with "overwhelming new" features and add-ons.
 

ilyasmad

Registered User
Actually I think you are both right :)

To me Amateur is a bit like Einstein, he looks to to future and dousn´t accept the limits of modern times.
To me Craney91 (and most people on this site and I´m no exception!) choose to go with the flow, It´s much easier to live that way.

Remember all the people who were burned alive for saying the earth was round?
Amateur is simply pointing out a possible future for football(soccer) games to be made in a pretty stale and non progressive gaming world.

Though * I encourage Amateur to try the Demo 2 out :)

I for one agree with you on that. Amateur does make most sense when introducing new and improved mechanics of the game. Maybe he should start designing an alternative community based football game; free to play.:D

As you said, most people tend to go with the flow. Amateur merely insist of change; change only happens when the majority agrees; and thats the problem.
 

techboy11

Registered User
Could there be a more suited user name for you than "Amateur?"

Because you my friend, are very very very amateur.

I've read your wall of texts in reply to my comment and other peoples. If I was you, I'd try and get out just a tad more, it seems only football games are on your brain. You cannot differentiate a football GAME...from real life, You are NOT looking for a FOOTBALL GAME, you are looking for something that isn't even feasible for a computer game, because believe it or not the real thing does itself exists, you know, where you go to a football match or watch it on the tele?

I don't play a COMPUTER GAME to be so controlled and brainwashed by it, I play it to sit back and enjoy. I'd argue first that both football games are not as good as they can be, but out of the two...Pro Evo does a better job than FIFA...FOR ME.

You then go on with you little kiddy school playground rant;

"You were kind enough to tell me how much of an idiot I am, you even added completely unnecessary smileys to reaffirm how much of a twat you truly are, yet you were not very giving with the actually relevant and objective facts; why is movement within space very very very possible? and why is it not just a gimmick? a similar gimmick to the FIFA tricks system perhaps? Please, do enlighten me with your knowledge...."

So what about your wall of meaningless texts every single fucking comment then? Does this reaffirm how much of a deluded, brainwashed twat you are then?

You are an idiot pal, your making assumptions without actually playing the demo, play the demo THEN have an opinion. KNOW what you are talking about, not THINK. Wall of text, upon wall of text, upon FUCKING WALL OF TEXT to try and emphasize your brainless and meaningless points. You are not looking for a football game, you are looking for real life. If you got out more instead of playing computer games and dossing around on "internet commando" forums, you may find that the experience you are after, IS OUT THERE. It's called 3pm on a Saturday afternoon, you could maybe even play the sport it yourself, if you of course are able. ;)

UNLIKE YOU, some of us can't sit on a forum all day, explaining our every point to the fullest, like you seem to do 99% of the time. Not to mention some of us just don't give a flying fuck what you have to say, so all that time, effort and energy you put in to these essay's, is totally and utterly meaningless. You talk absolute codswallop behind your clever clogs persona. Controller config this, movement in space that, I KNOW how to make this etc etc etc

If you KNOW what you want, whats stopping you from making this football game?

That's right, excuses, your full of them....and you know it. Your incapable of doing so, therefore have this "I know best" BS attitude. Mate, you know absolutely fuck all. No value whatsoever to the community, no meaning, no worth.

Just a total Amateur....and when you upgrade yourself up to Top Player, come again prick....please.

Couldn't agree more Crainey!!

Amateur has some obvious deep psychological problems. I responded to somebody, he responded by swearing and being patronising back at ME. I'm not going to raise to his bait. He's not worth it. His rambling bullshit drives me insane these days, pages and pages of incessant nonsense. But hey, it's a forum, so give the kid his lollipop and just scroll down.

As for his points that he made, he's wrong. Bale doesn't get tackled (or at least very often), neither does Ribbery or Robben. Or players like Aguero for that matter. They may be made to lose possession by getting crowded out, but defenders know that to tackle someone like a Bale means considerable risk.

AMATEUR what do you mean that each defender tackles lots during a game. THEY DON'T. Simple as. I play at a decent enough level, and I'm a defender, and I don't tackle much. I've given that as an example. The best defenders around in people's opinions, just don't tackle with the frequency that you suggest. In most cases in football, teams lose possession by giving the ball away due to space being closed down, not by being tackled. Players may lose possession by being pressured, tightly jockeyed and being physically bossed (up close) but an actual tackle is hard to find these days against the top players.

The problem (if you could call it that) on this demo is that it is difficult to make an assumption about the game. In demo one we had Manchester United, Napoli and Milan. Three great team. In demo two, we have Spurs (with some great technical players), Inter and Bayern (who have two of the best dribblers in the modern game in one team) so people I feel are panicking over defending being too hard because most of the teams I have mentioned have a few players with great dribbling precision.

I don't get Rangers players darting past me for example, although they pose a different aerial threat by all accounts.

What do people want? A FIFA player came over mine last night and bitched and moaned for the first three or four games, he was getting wiped by me. Then we played FIFA12 demo for a bit because his toys came out of the pram, but after two games HE wanted to play PES again. After 10 games or so on PES he began to appreciate how much of a DUMB FUCK he'd been over the years, a non-skilled pressure basher.

There is an art to defending in this game AMATEUR - it's just a shame you spend most of your time on here writing your nonsense and not practising defending - it's a pity, I think you'll enjoy it more (with or without movement, in, about, through, over, under, space)!

I'll await your child like retort - but my scroll down button will be at the ready.
 

Kefir

Registered User
Actually I think you are both right :)

To me Amateur is a bit like Einstein, he looks to to future and dousn´t accept the limits of modern times.
To me Craney91 (and most people on this site and I´m no exception!) choose to go with the flow, It´s much easier to live that way.

Remember all the people who were burned alive for saying the earth was round?
Amateur is simply pointing out a possible future for football(soccer) games to be made in a pretty stale and non progressive gaming world.

Though * I encourage Amateur to try the Demo 2 out :)

Please are you serious. Dont insult Amateur by comparing him to Einstein and Copernicus.

If you read your post again you will see how ridiculous it is.

Yours sincerly Niels Bohr.:shocking:

Amateur i didnt read your post. Couldnt bother but from what other people say i think your post is garbage. Get my point?
 

MysteryMan

Registered User
I just can't continue playing pes 2012 with this super close control that players have, if they don't tone it down in the final game im not playing this year at all.
 

Sminky

Registered User
Right, just downloaded it, waiting for the bloody opening video to finish before trying it out. My expectations are that it isn't a 100mph and that I can play football without having to execute 20 alterations on setups screens to do so. Fingers crossed.
 

LuKaKu_TT

Registered User
I have to say i think that the second demo is very very good, the game has improved so so much since last years game, you can finally move around the pitch more freely with 360 dribbling it is not like 2011 where you ran in straight lines and diagonals. The kit quality have improved a lot really similar to what they are like in the modern game a lot tighter on their chests etc. Football life from the videos i have seen on onlyproevolutions.com is going to be absolutely amazing. I feel that this year PES has blown FIFA completely out of the water, PES is going to be really amazing this year and it will finally show FIFA fans what they have been missing out on. :) great demo
 

marcgiu

Registered User
I have to say i think that the second demo is very very good, the game has improved so so much since last years game, you can finally move around the pitch more freely with 360 dribbling it is not like 2011 where you ran in straight lines and diagonals. The kit quality have improved a lot really similar to what they are like in the modern game a lot tighter on their chests etc. Football life from the videos i have seen on onlyproevolutions.com is going to be absolutely amazing. I feel that this year PES has blown FIFA completely out of the water, PES is going to be really amazing this year and it will finally show FIFA fans what they have been missing out on. :) great demo

Agree with almost all of that:)
 

JackWilshere

Registered User
- Shooting from short range is terrible and almost impossible to control.

- My goalkeeper seems to let in everything whereas the CPU's GK is almost unbeatable.

- The off the ball runs are useless because they are ALWAYS tracked perfectly by the defence.

- The animations for running, shooting, passing and celebrating are, frankly, appalling.

My main gripes with the game, if all of these were addressed it would be a near perfect game imo.
 

MysteryMan

Registered User
- Shooting from short range is terrible and almost impossible to control.

- My goalkeeper seems to let in everything whereas the CPU's GK is almost unbeatable.

- The off the ball runs are useless because they are ALWAYS tracked perfectly by the defence.

- The animations for running, shooting, passing and celebrating are, frankly, appalling.

My main gripes with the game, if all of these were addressed it would be a near perfect game imo.

There are more for sure

- Close control, technique, speed etc... it feels similar no matter who you control, some players are better and some worse but the difference is so small you can barely feel it, it feels like 30 stat change in this game is same as 10 stat change in pes 2011.

- No matter if the attacker has 50 top speed and your defender has 90, once the attacker goes past you its over you WILL NOT catch him, EVER. Why couldn't they just make it stat dependant instead of going from catch up bug to the other extreme which is impossible catch up bug.

- Players running on rails when they get a pass, no matter how logical it was to run different.
 

daveyc17

Registered User
There are more for sure

- Close control, technique, speed etc... it feels similar no matter who you control, some players are better and some worse but the difference is so small you can barely feel it, it feels like 30 stat change in this game is same as 10 stat change in pes 2011.

- No matter if the attacker has 50 top speed and your defender has 90, once the attacker goes past you its over you WILL NOT catch him, EVER. Why couldn't they just make it stat dependant instead of going from catch up bug to the other extreme which is impossible catch up bug.

- Players running on rails when they get a pass, no matter how logical it was to run different.

I really disagree with all your points. I just don't get what you're saying to be honest
 

MysteryMan

Registered User
I really disagree with all your points. I just don't get what you're saying to be honest

What don't you get?

1. When you pass the ball to your player into space u have no control over him, he will run straight at the ball even tho it would be better to do it in a different way sometimes, for example turn away a bit and intercept the ball sooner. Computer taking control of your player is stupid, I wan't to be the one in control all the time.

2. when the cpu AI controlled player goes past your defender and runs towards 1 on 1 with your keeper your defender will not catch him anymore.
The attackers top speed can be 60 and ur defenders 90, they can even run through half a field but your defender still won't catch him, which is absolutely ridicilous, its just the opposite of the catch up bug.

3. When you run at full speed with a player ( his dribble accuraccy can be as low as 70 even ) he will control the ball like Messi , the ball feels like its glued to his foot or attached by a small string.
Check PES 2011 and see how many steps players took before having a 2nd touch with the ball, even Messi with his 97 dribble acc had a few steps.
Here in Pes 2012 even players with 70 dribble acc can rival what Messi in Pes 2011 was in terms of dribbling accuracy, it actually feels even better than that.
 

Amateur

Registered User
Actually I think you are both right :)

To me Amateur is a bit like Einstein, he looks to to future and dousn´t accept the limits of modern times.
To me Craney91 (and most people on this site and I´m no exception!) choose to go with the flow, It´s much easier to live that way.

Remember all the people who were burned alive for saying the earth was round?
Amateur is simply pointing out a possible future for football(soccer) games to be made in a pretty stale and non progressive gaming world.

Though * I encourage Amateur to try the Demo 2 out :)

To me Craney91 is someone who takes video games too seriously, I am talking about a video game, there's absolutely no need for any human being to take offense about anything that I say about PES12.

I'm not saying that PES12 is complete rubbish and I'm not saying that I will not try it out, in fact, I compared PES12 with PES5 and PES6, that's not exactly negative is it?

I get why some feel the need to take personal offense over something that isn't personal, I just hope they can see how stupid it is to dismiss what some random person is saying for no justifiable or logical reason. I was merely agreeing with certain people who have pointed out the fact that, despite the improvement, it has not improved enough. And the criticism itself, was based on fundamental deficiencies, which means that I do not need to play the game in order to criticize.

I fail to see why I deserve to be dismissed or laughed at for merely expressing completely objective observations. It's people like them, who make the world a fucked up place to live in.

Worryingly I think you might be right. I don't mean this as an insult Amateur but I honestly believe you might have issues that you need to speak to a professional about.

I'm sorry but this is hilarious, you people are complete idiots, I'm talking about a video game here, plain and simple; if anything, you people need help, for not understanding the complete casualness with which I express my points.... there's nothing at stake for me, I fail to see how anyone can venture into my personal life by inventing theories which can only be based on "PES does not offer movement within the space" -- OMG -- I have problems and I need professional help.... should I panic? Pathetic.

You people need to grow up, PES is a fucking video game, I am a fucking human being, I am worth more than fucking PES and you sure as hell are also worth more than a fucking video game; for your own sake, grow the fuck up.

Could there be a more suited user name for you than "Amateur?"

Because you my friend, are very very very amateur.

I've read your wall of texts in reply to my comment and other peoples. If I was you, I'd try and get out just a tad more, it seems only football games are on your brain. You cannot differentiate a football GAME...from real life, You are NOT looking for a FOOTBALL GAME, you are looking for something that isn't even feasible for a computer game, because believe it or not the real thing does itself exists, you know, where you go to a football match or watch it on the tele?

I don't play a COMPUTER GAME to be so controlled and brainwashed by it, I play it to sit back and enjoy. I'd argue first that both football games are not as good as they can be, but out of the two...Pro Evo does a better job than FIFA...FOR ME.

You then go on with you little kiddy school playground rant;

"You were kind enough to tell me how much of an idiot I am, you even added completely unnecessary smileys to reaffirm how much of a twat you truly are, yet you were not very giving with the actually relevant and objective facts; why is movement within space very very very possible? and why is it not just a gimmick? a similar gimmick to the FIFA tricks system perhaps? Please, do enlighten me with your knowledge...."

So what about your wall of meaningless texts every single fucking comment then? Does this reaffirm how much of a deluded, brainwashed twat you are then?

You are an idiot pal, your making assumptions without actually playing the demo, play the demo THEN have an opinion. KNOW what you are talking about, not THINK. Wall of text, upon wall of text, upon FUCKING WALL OF TEXT to try and emphasize your brainless and meaningless points. You are not looking for a football game, you are looking for real life. If you got out more instead of playing computer games and dossing around on "internet commando" forums, you may find that the experience you are after, IS OUT THERE. It's called 3pm on a Saturday afternoon, you could maybe even play the sport it yourself, if you of course are able. ;)

UNLIKE YOU, some of us can't sit on a forum all day, explaining our every point to the fullest, like you seem to do 99% of the time. Not to mention some of us just don't give a flying fuck what you have to say, so all that time, effort and energy you put in to these essay's, is totally and utterly meaningless. You talk absolute codswallop behind your clever clogs persona. Controller config this, movement in space that, I KNOW how to make this etc etc etc

If you KNOW what you want, whats stopping you from making this football game?

That's right, excuses, your full of them....and you know it. Your incapable of doing so, therefore have this "I know best" BS attitude. Mate, you know absolutely fuck all. No value whatsoever to the community, no meaning, no worth.

Just a total Amateur....and when you upgrade yourself up to Top Player, come again prick....please.

You can talk about life all you want sweetheart, but I ain't the one whom is personally offended about what some random dude said about my favorite video game, I ain't the one defending a fucking video game as if it was my sex partner.

I come here, give my two cents about PES, and considering the fact that I have yet to play PES12, I just keep it on the fundamentals. I fail to see why that would suggest that I have no life outside of video games, you are talking from out of your arse, which apparently is the only way you know how to express yourself.

Bottom line: actions speak louder than words. You can talk and insult all you want, the fact is, at the end of the day, you are insulting a person over a video game, yet the person whom you are insulting was merely talking about the actual video game. If you ignore the words and observe the action or intent behind the words, it is clear that video games are a much more important aspect of your life than my life; me, I don't give a fuck, I practically do not play video games anymore, I will criticize PES and FIFA and any other video game, and I will not find it necessary to personally offend a person who disagrees with me.

That's the difference of course, between disagreeing and blatantly assaulting or insulting a person. The fact that you find it necessary to actually utter the word "life" in a PES12 thread, the fact that you find it necessary to offend a person over a video game, indicates that your life isn't all that great to begin with; I mean, how could a blatant idiot like myself, who spends his entire day on this forum, personally offend you? If you are personally offended by things that should be completely irrelevant to your life.... I can only imagine how many things will piss you off in your actual life.

Which brings me to another observation, you have not actually disproved any of my points, you have only made wild assumptions about my personal life and you have tried your best to offend me; and let it be clear that I have not offended you over a video game, I'm merely defending myself; long story short, you are full of shit, you are a fucking cunt.

Couldn't agree more Crainey!!

Amateur has some obvious deep psychological problems. I responded to somebody, he responded by swearing and being patronising back at ME.

I'm sorry, but how are the following phrases,

1st -- I'm sorry, but could you please explain what the fuck is your point??

2nd -- The point being, obviously, why the fuck are you comparing REAL FOOTBALL with PES?

3rd -- Your argument does not make sense, it is a false argument, as simple as that. I can appreciate the fact that YOU think *laughs* that PES has tackling spot on, it is your opinion, but don't forget that your opinion is far away from reality; please do yourself a favor, watch some real football, count the number of times each player from each position tackles throughout the 90 minutes of play, you will find that a lot of standing tackles are thrown.

4th -- Come on now, be fucking real, dribbling in PES12 is not realistic at all, it might be entertaining, the same way that PES5 and PES6 were entertaining, but to say that it is "realistic" is just bullshit.

How am I insulting you? Yes I used the word "fuck" more than I usually use it, but I am not actually using the word against you as in say "you are a stupid fuck".

And yes, I was very patronizing, on purpose, not by mistake or accident, because your argument was very patronizing. Please go back and read your response to Athlon, it was a very patronizing and very false argument; if you do not like it when people are patronizing, then why the fuck do you patronize other people? Don't be a hypocrite.

Sorry Athlon, but I'm not with you at all. How many tackles does John Terry make in a game? Answer - perhaps one or two. In NINETY F'KIN MINUTES!! Defenders don't 'tackle' a great deal, do you know why?

You pose a question and you answer it yourself in a very condescending manner, and after being blatantly condescending, you go on to pose another question, which yet again, you answered yourself, showing again your complete lack of respect for whatever Athlon had to say; yet you do not like it when people patronize you? Come one now, be fucking real.
 

usa plm

Registered User
i just noticed if i dribble like 25 yards with a player, he will suddenly lose pace (when holding dash)

its a problem cuz its not like he gets a little tired, its like a drop of plateaus, not realistic and way annoying.. and he wouldnt get crazy tired running only a 1/4 of the field
 

Sminky

Registered User
Well ... I've lost every game bar one today (I drew with Rangers 1-1 as Inter). I get a lot of possession but I'm still getting to grips with the new dribbling and controlling players off the ball. In fact I'm finding it quite difficult. As frustrating as it is not really knowing the controls and it been very challenging its not nearly as annoying as PES2011 but I just can't score!

Against Inter as Spurs they played the ball up the pitch and literally walked into the net and thats one slight gripe I have, sometimes you can't get the ball off of the CPU, doesn't matter what I do slide, block use R2 they still retain possession.

This demo is much better than the first and I find myself wanting to play it. Shame the training section didn't include dribbling, that would have helped alot. As it happens I won't be buying PES2012 when it's released. As much as I enjoy it, its just too tough for me. Its the first PES I'm truly awful at and I can't invest hours learning to be proficient in it either. Still, will look forward to the tournaments with my friends although I've got no chance of winning.
 

Craney91

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To me Craney91 is someone who takes video games too seriously, I am talking about a video game, there's absolutely no need for any human being to take offense about anything that I say about PES12.

I'm not saying that PES12 is complete rubbish and I'm not saying that I will not try it out, in fact, I compared PES12 with PES5 and PES6, that's not exactly negative is it?

I get why some feel the need to take personal offense over something that isn't personal, I just hope they can see how stupid it is to dismiss what some random person is saying for no justifiable or logical reason. I was merely agreeing with certain people who have pointed out the fact that, despite the improvement, it has not improved enough. And the criticism itself, was based on fundamental deficiencies, which means that I do not need to play the game in order to criticize.

I fail to see why I deserve to be dismissed or laughed at for merely expressing completely objective observations. It's people like them, who make the world a fucked up place to live in.



I'm sorry but this is hilarious, you people are complete idiots, I'm talking about a video game here, plain and simple; if anything, you people need help, for not understanding the complete casualness with which I express my points.... there's nothing at stake for me, I fail to see how anyone can venture into my personal life by inventing theories which can only be based on "PES does not offer movement within the space" -- OMG -- I have problems and I need professional help.... should I panic? Pathetic.

You people need to grow up, PES is a fucking video game, I am a fucking human being, I am worth more than fucking PES and you sure as hell are also worth more than a fucking video game; for your own sake, grow the fuck up.



You can talk about life all you want sweetheart, but I ain't the one whom is personally offended about what some random dude said about my favorite video game, I ain't the one defending a fucking video game as if it was my sex partner.

I come here, give my two cents about PES, and considering the fact that I have yet to play PES12, I just keep it on the fundamentals. I fail to see why that would suggest that I have no life outside of video games, you are talking from out of your arse, which apparently is the only way you know how to express yourself.

Bottom line: actions speak louder than words. You can talk and insult all you want, the fact is, at the end of the day, you are insulting a person over a video game, yet the person whom you are insulting was merely talking about the actual video game. If you ignore the words and observe the action or intent behind the words, it is clear that video games are a much more important aspect of your life than my life; me, I don't give a fuck, I practically do not play video games anymore, I will criticize PES and FIFA and any other video game, and I will not find it necessary to personally offend a person who disagrees with me.

That's the difference of course, between disagreeing and blatantly assaulting or insulting a person. The fact that you find it necessary to actually utter the word "life" in a PES12 thread, the fact that you find it necessary to offend a person over a video game, indicates that your life isn't all that great to begin with; I mean, how could a blatant idiot like myself, who spends his entire day on this forum, personally offend you? If you are personally offended by things that should be completely irrelevant to your life.... I can only imagine how many things will piss you off in your actual life.

Which brings me to another observation, you have not actually disproved any of my points, you have only made wild assumptions about my personal life and you have tried your best to offend me; and let it be clear that I have not offended you over a video game, I'm merely defending myself; long story short, you are full of shit, you are a fucking cunt.



I'm sorry, but how are the following phrases,

1st -- I'm sorry, but could you please explain what the fuck is your point??

2nd -- The point being, obviously, why the fuck are you comparing REAL FOOTBALL with PES?

3rd -- Your argument does not make sense, it is a false argument, as simple as that. I can appreciate the fact that YOU think *laughs* that PES has tackling spot on, it is your opinion, but don't forget that your opinion is far away from reality; please do yourself a favor, watch some real football, count the number of times each player from each position tackles throughout the 90 minutes of play, you will find that a lot of standing tackles are thrown.

4th -- Come on now, be fucking real, dribbling in PES12 is not realistic at all, it might be entertaining, the same way that PES5 and PES6 were entertaining, but to say that it is "realistic" is just bullshit.

How am I insulting you? Yes I used the word "fuck" more than I usually use it, but I am not actually using the word against you as in say "you are a stupid fuck".

And yes, I was very patronizing, on purpose, not by mistake or accident, because your argument was very patronizing. Please go back and read your response to Athlon, it was a very patronizing and very false argument; if you do not like it when people are patronizing, then why the fuck do you patronize other people? Don't be a hypocrite.



You pose a question and you answer it yourself in a very condescending manner, and after being blatantly condescending, you go on to pose another question, which yet again, you answered yourself, showing again your complete lack of respect for whatever Athlon had to say; yet you do not like it when people patronize you? Come one now, be fucking real.


Another wall of text I see.

I honestly think your in denial, you're the one criticizing the computer game you have not yet played, yet KNOW everything about it. You may find it is not what you expect at all, it might surprise you and be good or you may even find it rubbish. You cannot KNOW until you have played it, can you?

1. Pro Evo is not my favorite computer game, so you got that wrong, surprisingly.
2. I'm not arguing with you over the game. I'm arguing with YOU, yes YOU the person, YOU are the problem in this situation, NOT the game.

Your spouting utter shit, in the big scheme of things computer games are totally emphatically irrelevant in my life, they are played for enjoyment. I'd like to see the games be the best they possibly can, of course, especially when you are paying for them. But the problem here is not with the game as you make out, your the one in the KNOW and have not even played it, that is not a problem or argument over the game, that is a problem people have with you.

You remind me of some beautiful girl all over you, all night, but when you take her back, she has the most stinky fishy p*ssy in the world. You get put of, distracted. By you spouting your constant shit every time you comment on PES 2012, believe it or not people are reading these forums looking for information and direction. Then they see this "Amateur" dude spouting shit about the game he has not yet played.

"you have not actually disproved any of my points" how many people have told you to try the game?

Your the one with the essay's about the game and its future. yet....."To me Craney91 is someone who takes video games too seriously"

F*ck the game pal, I must be taking you to seriously, it's got fuck all to do with the game in all honesty.....you, yes YOU the person are the reason, should I take the person seriously, or the game? Which matters most, which is most important?

"Long story short" More like long story f*cking LONG. Yet your the one telling everyone they are basically dumb because YOU dont agree with them.

What a fool you are.

Now go and sit on the naughty step sunshine.
 
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