So after both pro Evo and Fifa have been out for a couple of months

[ykl]

Basically both game have different style of gameplay. If you get used to with pes series, i don't think that you will adapt with fifa series gameplay. Its totally different. For me i would say that fifa09 overall give a better package for the whole game(more attractive), for pes09, gameplay always the priority, but overall package, its really get me bored, especially ML mode.

 

[El Nino]

How anyone can say that PES is still a football simulation is beyond me. Also PESFan92 PES previously used to the right analogue stick to perform more difficult tricks, this has been changed to accomodate casual gamers and allow 'pick up and play controls'. Some of the comments suggesting that Fifa 09 is an arcade game are nothing short of ludicrous I'm afraid.



These are all things PES fans have continually criticised the Fifa franchise for not being. The mantra of PES gamers over the past seven or eight years has been that Fifa was far too easy and aimed at gamers who didn't want to be challenged. It seems that PES is now the game for those who want instant gratification. The reason the passing was slow and unresponsive was because you couldn't play the game and failed to take the time to learn. Dribbling around an opponent should be difficult, this is why in real football taking players on is an impressive feat... if it was difficult nobody would be impressed. Crossing is extremely difficult, and perhaps too difficult, however I prefer any aspect of the game to be too hard than too easy.

I have not played fifa but in all honesty konami have gone down the wrong path with this game.PES 5 was the best for me and this game is wayyyyy off that kind of quality gameplay.

 

[shaun7]

^It's actually better than Pes 5 even though few has changed. But those changes like dribbling, passing, through balls and especially crosses and header were really needed. Play pes 5 again and you'll notice that in Pes 5 the crosses and through balls are really bad compared to pes 09.

Also pes 08 was an arcade not pes 09. Pes 09 is a football sim. Everything seems to be fine.
As for fifa. I already said that it's a good game, but Pes' gameplay feels much better and real.

 

[ykl]

Shaun7, i agreed with you, fifa 09 have better overall package, but in terms of gameplay, pes definitely better than fifa09........

 

[toshi27]

at the moment, FIFA is improving a lot compare to PES, no doubt about it....in graphics, presentation movement etc, EA have learn and try to bridge the gap with Konami.

But....if i want to play a football game, i want the game that can represent the best Ball physics. And Fifa did not and still does not have that.

second, i do not want to score a repetitive goal. I play WE /PES since playstation 1 and i don't remember scoring the same goal again and again.

So....yeah, FIFA is most improve, but it's still not Football, PES is.

 

[Mr Darkstar]

at the moment, FIFA is improving a lot compare to PES, no doubt about it....in graphics, presentation movement etc, EA have learn and try to bridge the gap with Konami.

But....if i want to play a football game, i want the game that can represent the best Ball physics. And Fifa did not and still does not have that.

second, i do not want to score a repetitive goal. I play WE /PES since playstation 1 and i don't remember scoring the same goal again and again.

So....yeah, FIFA is most improve, but it's still not Football, PES is.

Well said

 

[trigglebeef]

For those of you who think Fifa's goals are repetitive, take a look at eafootballworld.com and watch some of the goals people have uploaded. Some sick things happen in Fifa, but only on the odd occasion, and that keeps me coming back for more.

As far as crosses go on Fifa, try using manual crosses where you direct and power them precisely how you want them. You can pull crosses back to outside the area for midfielders to run onto and volley, etc. Lovely stuff.

As far as dribbling goes, the tricks do work, they just need to be mastered. And as you get more of a feeling for the game it becomes more responsive, and you can sometimes go past players without a skill move by using subtle pace changes etc.

FIFA is now better in every department, Pro Evo has lost it's crown. Sad but true.

 

[Whoa09]

CHeck this goal out!


http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/2457268

 

[shaun7]

trigglebeef Well it's your opinion but Fifa still have some repetative goals. In Pes you can NEVER score the same goal twice.
As for tricks. Fifa has some really nice tricks but you don't see them on every football match especially the juggling.

 

[trigglebeef]

trigglebeef Well it's your opinion but Fifa still have some repetative goals. In Pes you can NEVER score the same goal twice.
As for tricks. Fifa has some really nice tricks but you don't see them on every football match especially the juggling.

You don't get time to juggle in a game in Fifa either, unless you somehow find yourself in acres. I think Ea's plans with the juggling and certain other tricks were just to allow you to do all the things a professional footballer is capable of, whether they;re of much use in game or not. If you're really quick you can do some special things in games though.

Check this Lampard volley i scored yesterday.

http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/2487938

 

[jccondep]

I have played both and here are my conclusions:
For amateur player without footballl knowledge go to Fifa

For real lovers of football, PES is far better than Fifa; Fifa shouldn't even be consider as a competitor or substitute.

PES rocks....

 

[iamcanadianeh]

I'm really tired of this discussion. It has been going on for months in various forums, and nothing really new has been said, at least that I have read, for a long, long time. There have been those on either side who have made themselves look bad by contradicting themselves insideout and backwards, and there have been those willing to concede both games are good and that it's a matter of personal taste (which is about all you really can say IMHO).

I do have one thing to say though, and I know I am contradicting myself by saying this argument is dead, then posting on here myself, but I do have to question why people put those who choose PES over Fifa down for being biased due to brand loyalty. If that were true, which in my case it is not - I gave both games a chance and made my choice based on and gameplay - then I guess what I'm saying is, "is that such a bad thing?" Really... is it horrible for a person to stick with and support a company who has done so much for the genre? Is it so much more noble to support a massive corporate entity like EA, who are driven only by market share, and steal all their ideas from Konami?

What Fifa still lacks is what it always will lack, unless they buy Seabass from Konami: originality. Where would Fifa be as a series if Konami never made PES? Nowhere. Where would PES be if there was no Fifa? Probably about exactly where it is right now. The Fifa fans should stop trying to convert PES fans, because if PES dies, Fifa will go with it, because they will never have anything new to copy. In my opinion, Konami fully deserve to be able to sue EA for all the game elements they have so blatantly stolen from PES, but of course, that probably wouldn't work given how much money EA would have to spend on lawyers.

 

[Johnny2Balls]

Maybe PES should steal the direct IP play from FIFA and the allowance for difficulty settings online.

 

[ezio]

You don't get time to juggle in a game in Fifa either, unless you somehow find yourself in acres. I think Ea's plans with the juggling and certain other tricks were just to allow you to do all the things a professional footballer is capable of, whether they;re of much use in game or not. If you're really quick you can do some special things in games though.

Check this Lampard volley i scored yesterday.

http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/2487938

It is a nice goal but my problem with it is the animation. What players lift their back leg off the ground to hit a volley like that? Usually they back foot would still be planted on the ground.

 

[trigglebeef]

It is a nice goal but my problem with it is the animation. What players lift their back leg off the ground to hit a volley like that? Usually they back foot would still be planted on the ground.

There's loads of different animations for volleys in the game, but i love this Di Canio/RVP style one.

 

[MatTheCat]

CHeck this goal out!
http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/2457268

Fucking Hell, u must be kidding right?

If that goal counts as a classic in FIFA then god help the game.

As far as dribbling goes, the tricks do work, they just need to be mastered. And as you get more of a feeling for the game it becomes more responsive, and you can sometimes go past players without a skill move by using subtle pace changes etc.

FIFA is now better in every department, Pro Evo has lost it's crown. Sad but true.

Yes, I dont buy the 'you cant dribble in FIFA and the tricks dont work' cos I know guys who can dribble brilliantly with use of effective 'tricks'. However, despite FIFA being patently superior in practically every department that counts, somehow I still find myself prefering Pro Evo, despite the gameplay being much more basic. And the only thing I can really pin-point as being much superior in PES is the way the ball behaves. Sure, the deflections of body parts etc in FIFA are very good and make for some interesting tussles in the middle of the park, and yes, in PES the ball sometimes behaves in some very unlikely ways but in PES, the ball just behaves in a more 'zippy' and 'loose' manner which gives PES that 'anything can happen' gameplay edge over FIFA.

With PES, when floating a promising high ball into the box, the gamer can be on the edge of their seat with his pulse racing in anticipation of that perfectly timed button hit in the knowledge that how the player makes contact with the ball hugely affects the balls future trajectory/velocity. In FIFA, whilst the way that both the players and the ball physics are on the face of it much more realistic, FIFA's ball physics are also much more predetermined, as your stunning Lampard strike demonstrated!

Aside from FIFA's AI having the habit of regularly springing 'set goal' scoring opportunities on the game (which sadly account for the majority of goals scored in the game) and still slightly lacking responsivity, the 'freedom of the ball' factor is the main reason why I think I find the PES game engine much more enjoyable (offline) than the FIFA engine.

Online though, there is only one footie game and it totally beats me what Konami are thinking of with their 83rd rate online (lack of) effort, especially since PES5 actually worked pretty good in comparison. From what I am seeing with my own eyes, old time Pro Evo veterans are turning towards FIFA in their droves purely for its online functionality. Konami must surely be losing a lot of customers......I wonder what the sales of PES 2009 are like compared proportionately with previous figures. If the only people buying and playing the game were people that I was friends with, their sales would be down around 75%!

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Online though, there is only one footie game and it totally beats me what Konami are thinking of with their 83rd rate online (lack of) effort, especially since PES5 actually worked pretty good in comparison. QUOTE]

Good point. What do you think has caused this online degradation? PES used to work online pretty well, and now a few years later it doesn't??? Surely it's not graphics, but is the AI really that much more of a load? It's the same basic engine in a lot of ways, afterall. This stumps me. It's as if they have added some functionality to the game which is adding a huge amount of communication data between the teams, but if PES 5 worked, and seemed similar, can't they just find out what's causing the lag and disable it? I'm no expert, so I'm probably missing something, but I guess my point is that it seems to me like Konami obviously aren't experts when it comes to this side of things either.

 

[trigglebeef]

Online though, there is only one footie game and it totally beats me what Konami are thinking of with their 83rd rate online (lack of) effort, especially since PES5 actually worked pretty good in comparison. QUOTE]

Good point. What do you think has caused this online degradation? PES used to work online pretty well, and now a few years later it doesn't??? Surely it's not graphics, but is the AI really that much more of a load? It's the same basic engine in a lot of ways, afterall. This stumps me. It's as if they have added some functionality to the game which is adding a huge amount of communication data between the teams, but if PES 5 worked, and seemed similar, can't they just find out what's causing the lag and disable it? I'm no expert, so I'm probably missing something, but I guess my point is that it seems to me like Konami obviously aren't experts when it comes to this side of things either.

I understand what you're saying. Pro Evo 5 used to work ok for me with a gash internet connection. There was always lag when playing right to left, but left to right was perfect. Made it interesting trying to bang as many in while your opponent had the lag, and then defending while you had it. Ahh, the good old days of Pro Evo. One of the reasons i love Fifa is that it brings back the magic of old Pro Evo, to me anyway.

 

[sahathered2004]

For arcade football, go to Fifa ..

For real simulation of football, PES 2009 !

HAHAHA! are you taking the piss man or what!!??! how on earth can you say PES is simulation and FIFA isnt this year especially?

Shows you dont know much about playing real football then man!

 

[Amateur]

I'm really tired of this discussion. It has been going on for months in various forums, and nothing really new has been said, at least that I have read, for a long, long time. There have been those on either side who have made themselves look bad by contradicting themselves insideout and backwards, and there have been those willing to concede both games are good and that it's a matter of personal taste (which is about all you really can say IMHO).

I do have one thing to say though, and I know I am contradicting myself by saying this argument is dead, then posting on here myself, but I do have to question why people put those who choose PES over Fifa down for being biased due to brand loyalty. If that were true, which in my case it is not - I gave both games a chance and made my choice based on and gameplay - then I guess what I'm saying is, "is that such a bad thing?" Really... is it horrible for a person to stick with and support a company who has done so much for the genre? Is it so much more noble to support a massive corporate entity like EA, who are driven only by market share, and steal all their ideas from Konami?

What Fifa still lacks is what it always will lack, unless they buy Seabass from Konami: originality. Where would Fifa be as a series if Konami never made PES? Nowhere. Where would PES be if there was no Fifa? Probably about exactly where it is right now. The Fifa fans should stop trying to convert PES fans, because if PES dies, Fifa will go with it, because they will never have anything new to copy. In my opinion, Konami fully deserve to be able to sue EA for all the game elements they have so blatantly stolen from PES, but of course, that probably wouldn't work given how much money EA would have to spend on lawyers.

Agreed.. Not many people mention it, but, if there was no PES, where would FIFA be right now??

One more Reason for not buying FIFA.