Some points on the gameplay..

[DunkLFC]

First...my name is Bent and I'm new to this forum and playing pes17 for couple of weeks now on 360. Played 15 before and way back I played 6 as well. Last fifa I really played was....2003 I believe. And tried 15 but that was just horror.

Anyway. Valencia thanks for your posts. Great to read.

What my biggest frustration is so far, specially in ML (my club is going okay), is the way I loose. I started ML with Ajax and her original players. First 3 matches were fine. Then a very bad series with lostst of 3 0 and 3 1 against (real life) very average teams. I was just outrunned on every part of the field. My stamina was gone after 1 half (and I did not even sprint all the time). Theirs as well but they just keep on going.

I did win and drew in CL against Dortmund and won against benfica. 2Nd place in the group. So that's ok. But the league is now 14th place I believe. And no sight on improvement.

Played a game and after 45 minutes it was 0-4 with 3 yellow and 1 red for me. While they got 2 yellow with very hard tackles. I HAVE to sprint as otherwise I cannot get to their backline to cross.

Gets me pissed of more and more. And at first I was blown away with the game. The feel of passing the ball and scoring, specially how pressing a button resulted in the shot/action I intended was awesome. But this good feeling gets less and less.

So hopefully you or other people have tips for me. I play at..pro level if I'm correct. Cannot even thin about playing higher level when loosing so big already on pro...

Hi, the first thing to check is what your "Team Spirit" level is. If you came in and changed the formations, playing style or have brought in any players who aren't used to your current playing style, then "Team Spirit" will have taken a nose dive. I made lots of changes in PES 2016 and suffered about 6 matches of struggle, but in PES 2017 the effect is far more severe. A Team Spirit below 85 will be noticeable, if it is below 75 you will find your players feel sluggish and displaying the symptoms you have mentioned.

There's not a lot you can do except ride it out, as Team Spirit will rise with each game and when you look to bring new players in, try to ensure they like the same playing styles you use.

 

[Kazuki_Ito]

I'll just echo Dunk's words basically. Just keep at it. It can seem like a grind but eventually you'll get your team spirit up and, in effect, it practically lowers the difficulty level of the game.

If you can commit the time to the game don't get overly concerned about finishing lower down the table and missing out on cup competitions. Once your team spirit starts to rise everything should fall into place.

Changing the subject a bit I just played my first game on My Club and I'd put together a nice enough lineup including Pogba, Vermaelen, Marcos Alonso, Insigne and Aguero and I got humped 13-0 partly because I had virtually no team spirit and the guy I was playing had 90 something team spirit. (also he was probably much better at PES than me :tongue

 

[DunkLFC]

Ouch! :suarez:

 

[Apocalypse1]

Thanks Dunk and Kazuki.

I started with the original team and did not change much. Took some base players out and replaced with youth (because the base players I took out are suckers in real life haha). So some drop in team spirit I can imagine.

And unfortunately it is what you say...currently I have to do my best to get it at 75. All though my first 4 matches ended in win so you think it should be higher thenn.

The symptoms are indeed as you both say...they seem slow and like a freakin tank when turning. Even the most technical players. Get outplayed for 90 minutes by worsless teams. But reading this from you guys does help to get motivated again.

So thanks.

Any tips on the blue and grey tactical items (when in the formation screen) that a coach has and which players can have as well ? Could not find any good explanation about how it works in the game and not with search internet as well.

You can play for example counter or posession. And these icons can be blue, grey or "off". Counts for the coach and player column. But what does which colour mean ?

 

[DunkLFC]

Any tips on the blue and grey tactical items (when in the formation screen) that a coach has and which players can have as well ? Could not find any good explanation about how it works in the game and not with search internet as well.

You can play for example counter or posession. And these icons can be blue, grey or "off". Counts for the coach and player column. But what does which colour mean ?

The amount of blue bars (from 0 to 3) is how familiar that player is with that particular style of football. If you have your team set up to play wide, counter attacking, aggressive pressing etc, but then buy and play players who are not familiar with those styles then they will take a while to get used to your system and Team Spirit will suffer. The better they match your playing style and the playing position when you put them on the team formation screen, the more they will 'glow'. If they all have a good red glow, then your Team Spirit will be in the 90s.

If you really want a certain player and they don't currently fit your style, they will learn it, but it will take a while.

Your youth players and the players your scouts find, will mostly be good fits for your playing style.

 

[StevieGerrard]

You sir rock!!!

You can believe whatever you want. Don't take it as an insult, but you know the saying, "You can't teach a dog math no matter what you do?" I think simply because of your experience, intelligence, not saying it's either...but whatever it is, you can't comprehend it...

I know there's things I don't understand sometimes that I find hard to believe...but it's whatever...

There is nothing to gain here by lying and making shit up...absolutely nothing at all. What I do gain here by being truthful, is insight from other users...

The way you come off, as if you know, truly makes you sound stupid...for the sole reason...you deny what you can't understand, rather than asking more intelligent questions....sorry bro, but I'm speaking my mind same as you...

You really do seem ignorant, like early humans who didn't understand lightning, so they believed it was Thor smashing his hammer...

Maybe someone ignorant like yourself may have a reason to make shit up on the internet, because of what you lack in life, but really any normal person, realizes there's nothing to gain here by lying about insanely stupid useless shit...what would it get anyone? A little internet props, skepticism, and a one ignorant weak minded hater from Japan maybe...

Sorry I'd rather be truthful and get some real insight, and see if people are experiencing the same things...

I don't feel I should need to do this, but I will, I'll break my entire gaming experience down, and see if a dog can comprehend math...

This is my 2nd season in EPL using Fulham, promoted last season...with a 28-1-1 record in EPL, 41-1-1 overall.the sole loss on my record coming from a Coach Mode game against Leicester at 1-0, and a 1-1 draw to Chelsea which I thought would make it more realistic...I did actually play the Chelsea game.

Here's a photo of my first season results in Championship, I could not find something that showed my exact record, which was something like 38-9-1 if I remember with a loss coming to Crystal Palace in a simulation that I kept, also won the FA Cup...and Community Shield next season.

Here's my league table, and Europa League group table from this season...pay attention to the goals scored and conceded...

So truthfully, though the ignorant or weak minded may not be able to see it...I've been on here trying to have honest, dialog...and have shared my experiences to the best of my memory.....

Or I could have either played all this shit on the easiest levels, playing all those games and wasting my time, just because I like dominating, and lied about it all, or maybe I even photo shopped that shit because it's worth so much....

Regardless of what reason you believe someone to BS about, I've been saying over and over in all my threads, I don't believe myself to be that amazing of a player that this should be possible...I would believe myself to be a solid gamer, and a little better than the average PES player, but not to a point I should have this type of success...which is why, I've been posting about these topics for some time now...
You sir are an a child or an imbecile, with no ability to possibly comprehend, that there might be somethings with your given limitations that you may not understand, and are probably compensating for a small penis, sorry...

p.s. I really thought after our conversation in the other thread, you were going to be done making rude, ignorant, incorrect, assumptions...that make you look mentally challenged, and offend others....guess you can't change someone's true nature.

Let's use your style of sarcasm. What I like is, you displaying, passive aggressiveness, no point sarcasm, unfounded assumptions lacking any logical basis, lack of intelligence, lack of understanding, narcissism where you fail to realize that your personal limitations might affect your perception. Everything, except for lack of intelligence, which you were probably born with so I can't fault you for that, are all attributes of a weak mind, and weak character, alongside some self esteem issues...

You should maybe change it up, for some self enrichment, all the characteristics you've displayed will hurt you socially in life, and in fact I pity you for it, because it sucks to be that way. Here's to hoping for that. Sincerely, and best wishes.

That reply was F@#ing brilliant lad. Alot of effort to put somebody in their place but hey, a great read!!!!

 

[StevieGerrard]

When did you start playing PES games?

You just got ripped a new one bro. I would definately delete my account if i was you and don't tell any of your friends this ever occured!!!:clap::clap: