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jon nieve

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Hola Ted, estará pronto la liga de donatoson? Gracias por el gran proyecto a ti, Ratmundo, donatoson, slarkmeister... y todos los que lo hacen posible
 

h777

Registered User
Why is RedTed/PesMotd promoting someone (Toshiro Ozara) who is stealing mine and Mylo's work on Pes 18, on videos that he created using content we built on Pes 17 to promote our work?
 

h777

Registered User
While PesMotd is in hiding like a middle-east dictator come revolution time. His friend Toshiro or alter ego has became brave and incredibly insulting towards me when he was politely approached. In his complete denial I created this short video with only 3 examples of where he has based copied players of mine. There are many more. There are dates on videos etc that show my work was available first.

Now I want to make this clear. I share my work for people to use but not to exploit and I do not exploit others work. Whatever your thoughts on this is, he reacted aggressively when posed a simple question. Should I allow someone of this character and disrespect for other editors to use my work? Of course not and I will call anyone out who does so.

Also PesMotd never seeked any permission to use my Pes 17 work for this file and the fact he's now promoting a theft makes me really uncomfortable with him benefiting from it and using it as a base. Although he may claim he has edited players, if he has done so over players I created. A quick 5% of editing on some one else's 95% workload. Even if base copied to another I can provide conclusive evidence to mods to show where has done so. So be honest in your response to this.

He's also crediting people on the third or fourth post? That's a bit shameful really especially when you take in the fact he potentially used over 1000 players from our file and probably just as many from pesteam.it. Who as far as I am aware do not give anyone permission to use their work. But I can not speak for them but I'll mention that.

To the guys that joined this guy. I have no problem with them at all and it was the respect for them why I let these things slide.

Well here is the video ☺

[YOUTUBE]ZDBt8LvnoaU[/YOUTUBE]
 

RedTed

Registered User
Why is RedTed/PesMotd promoting someone (Toshiro Ozara) who is stealing mine and Mylo's work on Pes 18, on videos that he created using content we built on Pes 17 to promote our work?

As you know we all worked together on the original PES Universe Legends file this time last year and then we went our separate ways due to various reasons but mainly as you didn't have the time or want to work with us because of our relationship with PES Universe, which ended in the summer of this year. Having not played PES2018 since it was launched I am unaware of your teams, if you would like me to promote them for you I will happily do so, just send me the link you want promoting. Happy to help an old friend.
 

RedTed

Registered User
While PesMotd is in hiding like a middle-east dictator come revolution time. His friend Toshiro or alter ego has became brave and incredibly insulting towards me when he was politely approached. In his complete denial I created this short video with only 3 examples of where he has based copied players of mine. There are many more. There are dates on videos etc that show my work was available first.

Now I want to make this clear. I share my work for people to use but not to exploit and I do not exploit others work. Whatever your thoughts on this is, he reacted aggressively when posed a simple question. Should I allow someone of this character and disrespect for other editors to use my work? Of course not and I will call anyone out who does so.

Also PesMotd never seeked any permission to use my Pes 17 work for this file and the fact he's now promoting a theft makes me really uncomfortable with him benefiting from it and using it as a base. Although he may claim he has edited players, if he has done so over players I created. A quick 5% of editing on some one else's 95% workload. Even if base copied to another I can provide conclusive evidence to mods to show where has done so. So be honest in your response to this.

He's also crediting people on the third or fourth post? That's a bit shameful really especially when you take in the fact he potentially used over 1000 players from our file and probably just as many from pesteam.it. Who as far as I am aware do not give anyone permission to use their work. But I can not speak for them but I'll mention that.

To the guys that joined this guy. I have no problem with them at all and it was the respect for them why I let these things slide.

Well here is the video ☺

[YOUTUBE]ZDBt8LvnoaU[/YOUTUBE]

Wow, that's some tirade of abuse! You need to take a step back and look at what you are saying.

Just to set the record straight, Ratmundo, myself, Slarkmeister, Donatoson and Pippjfreak all contributed teams and kits for the original PES Universe legends teams and the community teams on your original thread. After asking you to join us in expanding the file further and you declining I remade all of the players you did (which wasn't that many after using Ratmundo's versions of the biggest world stars in classic football) to avoid such accusations because you had displayed signs of violent outbursts and paranoia way back in the spring including you banning Slarkmeister from sharing his teams on the community thread.

This file is primarily made of players from Ratmundo's classic international teams, we are talking 1000s of his own creations. The file also contains many new players made by me, Donatoson and Slarkmeister. We are talking 1000s and 1000s of new players using stats provided by the big PES legends websites (listed in this thread) and Ratmundo's secret documents from the KGB.

We have spent months researching players stats and building faces, and for you to sweep in claiming ownership of our hard work is not only insulting but really, really childish.
 

RedTed

Registered User
I think the real issue here is this Japanese guy stealing your PES2018 work and as he doesn't have a thread on pesgaming you are lashing out at us. I totally feel for you that someone is unashamedly stealing all your new players and passing them off as his own, that is not right, but please direct your abuse at him, not us. Thanks.
 

RedTed

Registered User
As for the middle eastern dictator comments and accusations of me being a japanese guy, they are just insults of a racial nature that I hope the mods take action over.
 

Pippjfreak

Registered User
h777 I'm sorry to hear about this Japanese guy stealing your work (the Japanese do seem to have a real problem with people selling work, see the J League creation threads for examples of that) If I see his videos on twitter in the future I'll be sure to call him out for it.

As for this file, PESMotD has done months of rewriting players stats (to align them more with Ratmundo's created players) and tweaking faces and admittedly the credits not being on the first post is not ideal but I think that has happened more from how this file (and subsequently the thread) has grown rather than through any attempt at subterfuge or malice.
At first it was going to be kept private but PESMotD was encouraged to release more and more by the rest of us as it's too good a project to not be shared with the community.
 

h777

Registered User
���� Why are you trying to involve other people? None of what you say has any relevance to the fact you are promoting stolen pes 18 work of mine on videos you created using work I created on pes 17. That you actually originally created to promote my work. What type of person does that? Lol

I don't want you to advertise my work either. I have my own channel.

As for violent out bursts you are the one spamming your own thread in anger. I presented you with evidence. Some people just can't handle the truth.

I'm not going to have a back and fourth with you. You should hope you told the truth when it comes to not using my data because it's so easy to see. Even if you changed by 5%. So I will show mods if they want to see. I'm not saying you have but I will check to see if you are lying.

You have been clearly advertising stolen data from Pes 18. That is the quarrel here and from what I thought, that is against forum rules.

Stop being lazy and childish yourself. Do the work yourself and leave me alone. My work shouldn't be turning up on your channel in any form especially when we went "our separate" ways. If it didn't. There would be no conversation here.
 

RedTed

Registered User
���� Why are you trying to involve other people? None of what you say has any relevance to the fact you are promoting stolen pes 18 work of mine on videos you created using work I created on pes 17. That you actually originally created to promote my work. What type of person does that? Lol

I don't want you to advertise my work either. I have my own channel.

As for violent out bursts you are the one spamming your own thread in anger. I presented you with evidence. Some people just can't handle the truth.

I'm not going to have a back and fourth with you. You should hope you told the truth when it comes to not using my data because it's so easy to see. Even if you changed by 5%. So I will show mods if they want to see. I'm not saying you have but I will check to see if you are lying.

You have been clearly advertising stolen data from Pes 18. That is the quarrel here and from what I thought, that is against forum rules.

Stop being lazy and childish yourself. Do the work yourself and leave me alone. My work shouldn't be turning up on your channel in any form especially when we went "our separate" ways. If it didn't. There would be no conversation here.

I have not been abusive towards you, I have taken your personal, racist insults with good humour, I am not the japanese guy incognito, I am not promoting his work, I am not a middle eastern dictator, I have not shown any anger towards you, merely pity.

I wish you the best of luck, please do not post on this thread with your PES2018 problems.
 

h777

Registered User
Lol. Now you ignore your wrong doing and try to play the victim. Good luck with that and I'll post anywhere that steals my work no problem to make people aware of it.
 

RedTed

Registered User
Lol. Now you ignore your wrong doing and try to play the victim. Good luck with that and I'll post anywhere that steals my work no problem to make people aware of it.

Seriously now H777man, you are coming across as insane, do you seriously think I have created a japanese alter-ego in order to steal your PES2018 work? Honestly? is that what you are accusing me of?

Because the PES2017 work is 100% bonafide our creation and credited where due.
 

Pippjfreak

Registered User
Lol. Now you ignore your wrong doing and try to play the victim. Good luck with that and I'll post anywhere that steals my work no problem to make people aware of it.

What are you actually accusing him of though? all you've posted is a video you edited together showing 3 face builds of players that you have done from Man Utd followed by the same players in a classic Holland team. Are you saying PESMotD is Toshiro Ozara? Where's the videos he's made promoting these stolen files that you have mentioned?
 

h777

Registered User
What are you actually accusing him of though? all you've posted is a video you edited together showing 3 face builds of players that you have done from Man Utd followed by the same players in a classic Holland team. Are you saying PESMotD is Toshiro Ozara? Where's the videos he's made promoting these stolen files that you have mentioned?

Sent you screen shots mate. He altered his videos.
 

h777

Registered User
Pipp, since you were willing to talk in the first place. You should also be willing too confirm the evidence I sent you.
 

RedTed

Registered User
Sent you screen shots mate. He altered his videos.

If anyone has proof like you do that someone else's work is stolen the first thing I would do is remove any connection to that work. That's just common decency.

BUT also I stand by our file being 100% legitimate and properly credited.

I also deny any accusations of a secret japanese alter ego.
 

h777

Registered User
If anyone has proof like you do that someone else's work is stolen the first thing I would do is remove any connection to that work. That's just common decency.

BUT also I stand by our file being 100% legitimate and properly credited.

I also deny any accusations of a secret japanese alter ego.

But your reaction was abusive towards me. You accused me of behaviour you are displaying. God knows what lies you have spouted to these guys behind my back? I gave you several days to respond to my initial question.

It's irrelevant whether you are Toshiro or not and that's not the problem.. either way you are guility by association and if you were respectful as you say. Then you would look when the data you promote comes from.
 

Pippjfreak

Registered User
Pipp, since you were willing to talk in the first place. You should also be willing too confirm the evidence I sent you.

I can confirm there was links in the blurb of a PESMotD video to Toshiro's work (it wouldn't be the first PES related things I've seen him promote or retweet) BUT they are now no longer there, as to why they were taken down I can only guess that when originally posted he wasn't aware it was a rip off of your stuff.
 

h777

Registered User
I can confirm there was links in the blurb of a PESMotD video to Toshiro's work (it wouldn't be the first PES related things I've seen him promote or retweet) BUT they are now no longer there, as to why they were taken down I can only guess that when originally posted he wasn't aware it was a rip off of your stuff.

Pipp that's a very friendly response to PesMotd. Let's hope people don't treat your with the same disrespect as mine. PesMotd had time to correct this. He didn't until I applied pressure on him.
 

RedTed

Registered User
But your reaction was abusive towards me. You accused me of behaviour you are displaying. God knows what lies you have spouted to these guys behind my back? I gave you several days to respond to my initial question.

It's irrelevant whether you are Toshiro or not and that's not the problem.. either way you are guility by association and if you were respectful as you say. Then you would look when the data you promote comes from.


h777man I have not been abusive towards you in the slightest. I've merely questioned your reasoning.

I will due diligence when it comes to promoting other people's work, if evidence is provided that someone has stolen someone else's work then it goes without saying I would not promote it being an editor myself I see my own work plagiarised and uncredited to this day.

NONE of my work or the editors in this project's work is stolen and is all credited correctly.

Your problem is with this japanese guy not with me. :w00t

As for taking days to respond, I apologise for the delay, I have been working a job and living my life, your post was alerted to me by someone else. You have my personal contact details so in future if my reply isn't up to your speed standards do approach me directly. Thanks.
 
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