[TEAMS] Classic Clubs by Various Editors

[gurkenjoe93]

Final lineups. I don't see anything strange or weird mate, you've a complaint about everything lol.

My response is also consistent. If people don't like, they do themselves.
That's the only advice I would give you for your missing legends.

To only name a few:
Deisler in Bayern AS
No Lenz, Michallek, Preißler or Niepieklo in Dortmund AS but Rosicky and Kuba instead?
Gravesen and Hibbert in Everton AS? Where's Joe Mercer? Tommy Lawton? Alex Young?
No Jan de Natris in Ajax?
Bruma in Gala XI after playing one season for them?
Jamie Redknapp in Tottenham AS and not at Liverpool?
Abbiati in Milan AS?
No Franz Hasil at Feyenoord, although he was even voted the best foreign player to ever play in Eredivisie and key player when they won the EC in 1970..
Wes Brown at United?
But on the other hand, including guys like Hibbert or Brown is a good way to also pay homage to all those average players who normally would never appear in a classic patch (and don't worry, I won't complain here anymore)

 

[Slarkmeister]

To only name a few:
Deisler in Bayern AS
No Lenz, Michallek, Preißler or Niepieklo in Dortmund AS but Rosicky and Kuba instead?
Gravesen and Hibbert in Everton AS? Where's Joe Mercer? Tommy Lawton? Alex Young?
No Jan de Natris in Ajax?
Bruma in Gala XI after playing one season for them?
Jamie Redknapp in Tottenham AS and not at Liverpool?
Abbiati in Milan AS?
No Franz Hasil at Feyenoord, although he was even voted the best foreign player to ever play in Eredivisie and key player when they won the EC in 1970..
Wes Brown at United?
But on the other hand, including guys like Hibbert or Brown is a good way to also pay homage to all those average players who normally would never appear in a classic patch (and don't worry, I won't complain here anymore)

Hey Gurkenjoe,

You need to have a read back on what you have just written, you sound like a spoilt kid who doesn't get the presents he wants for Xmas, get a grip man! Like H777 has stated if your not happy with it do it yourself or alter it. Everyone has there own opinions on who there favourite players were for each club but there is no need to criticise the hard work of others.

Regards
Slarkmeister

 

[h777]

Joe, they are all good suggestions mate. But very few things are perfect in this world. I wonder, do all those players have stats available?

Quite a few clubs were not created in line to our original suggested line ups compiled by JeanMarc and myself. Especially v2. The main reason several teams were given to me by the community. I changed what I needed to suit the file but I didn't take anything away that did not need to be removed (non duplicates). This was in respect for the creators as I'm really thankful for their effort.

Some players you suggest are probably from my personal file, which differs slightly to the one available. This is why I made the video really short. I didn't think people would freeze frame for each team lol. Some players were added too teams with preset faces. You named quite a few. They were due to be removed from the game, so why let them go to waste.

My first reply I meant to actually say. "If they don't like, add to themselves". This forum likes to troll me though and a number of times mid typing responses, the page has an error before I can send. It's quite annoying and leads to me hasten responses.

 

[Jaiminho]

Hey Gurkenjoe,

You need to have a read back on what you have just written, you sound like a spoilt kid who doesn't get the presents he wants for Xmas, get a grip man! Like H777 has stated if your not happy with it do it yourself or alter it. Everyone has there own opinions on who there favourite players were for each club but there is no need to criticise the hard work of others.

Regards
Slarkmeister

Perhaps he just wants to help make the file as realistic as possible?
That would make sense...

 

[Slarkmeister]

Perhaps he just wants to help make the file as realistic as possible?
That would make sense...

Fair point mate and I'm not doubting that may be the case so like I said just edit it himself. I just thought it was being disrespectful to the guys at PESUNI and all the hard work they have put in for FREE.

 

[Ducatirider]

Omg

Hey Gurkenjoe,

You need to have a read back on what you have just written, you sound like a spoilt kid who doesn't get the presents he wants for Xmas, get a grip man! Like H777 has stated if your not happy with it do it yourself or alter it. Everyone has there own opinions on who there favourite players were for each club but there is no need to criticise the hard work of others.

Regards
Slarkmeister

he ist a verry very spoiled child or ST**** IDI****


all those players like niepiklo aren´nt legends ....niepiklo was not even good enough for the national team of 1954

sebastian deisler was one of the greatest talents in german football and only his "burn out syndrom" has made an end to his career



so please stop with those stupid suggestions for player.....the classic file is awesome

and if gurkenjoe wants those players, he can create the bey himself


Great Job H777 and Jean Marc

 

[Mozvaldo]

Personally, i think there are very few legends missing or little if anything to complain about its a wonderful file. I do know though from reading GurkenJoe on Ratmundos international thread that he is very clued up on the game and knows its history, i really don't think he is trying to come across as a spoilt brat, more like constructive criticism from a student of the game that has been taken the wrong way? :unsure:

Anyway, I have started a ML with my team Leeds on this and as it happens created Vinnie Jones myself (never going to make the option file but i wanted him ) really enjoying it, cheers for the effort H777 and all involved

 

[Jaiminho]

Fair point mate and I'm not doubting that may be the case so like I said just edit it himself. I just thought it was being disrespectful to the guys at PESUNI and all the hard work they have put in for FREE.

dont see anyone with a a strong sense of self taking that as disrespect.

 

[Jaiminho]

Personally, i think there are very few legends missing or little if anything to complain about its a wonderful file. I do know though from reading GurkenJoe on Ratmundos international thread that he is very clued up on the game and knows its history, i really don't think he is trying to come across as a spoilt brat, more like constructive criticism from a student of the game that has been taken the wrong way? :unsure:

Anyway, I have started a ML with my team Leeds on this and as it happens created Vinnie Jones myself (never going to make the option file but i wanted him ) really enjoying it, cheers for the effort H777 and all involved

if i was creating a classic file I would listen respectfully to other people's opinions...It's called feedback. Everyone has been so grateful for this work...however does the fact it is free mean we cannot offer opinions?

Even if the guys that have created this masterpiece don't want to change anything - knowledgeable suggestions from the community should be respected(Joe).

Honestly, the only disrespect I see here is towards Gurkenjoe who simply diagreed with some choices. We back in Nazi Germany? The world is so sensitive....smh:huh:

 

[RedTed]

if i was creating a classic file I would listen respectfully to other people's opinions...It's called feedback. Everyone has been so grateful for this work...however does the fact it is free mean we cannot offer opinions?

Even if the guys that have created this masterpiece don't want to change anything - knowledgeable suggestions from the community should be respected(Joe).

Honestly, the only disrespect I see here is towards Gurkenjoe who simply diagreed with some choices. We back in Nazi Germany? The world is so sensitive....smh:huh:

Like h777man said, if you don't like the line ups, change them, if you want extra players, make them. The editing capability of pes 2017 is really easy. There are tonnes of face tutorials on youtube with loads of extra players.

That's what I have done with my own file, adding many players to suit my own personal preferences.

You could argue all day about who should be where and why but at the end of the day footballing legends are part of each person's footballing experience and reflect our own memories of the game. That's why I have Heskey at Liverpool. Not because he was a legend but because he provides me and my friends with hours of hilarious memories.

 

[Ducatirider]

if i was creating a classic file I would listen respectfully to other people's opinions...It's called feedback. Everyone has been so grateful for this work...however does the fact it is free mean we cannot offer opinions?

Even if the guys that have created this masterpiece don't want to change anything - knowledgeable suggestions from the community should be respected(Joe).

Honestly, the only disrespect I see here is towards Gurkenjoe who simply diagreed with some choices. We back in Nazi Germany? The world is so sensitive....smh:huh:

NAZI Germany? that comparaison seems me very sick.....:realmad:

it's more the kind of style how you make your suggestions....and gurkenjoes posting was more than arrogant (typical for a bayern-supporter !!!)

for your "nazi germany" posting, you should be banned because that caomparaison is so disrespectfull towards all the victims of this regime:realmad:

SHAME ON YOU!


by the way : i would like to have marek jankulowski in the file (ac milan) , but i accept that he was not the first choice, so i will create him by myself.....so what's wrong with you guys??????

 

[Jaiminho]

NAZI Germany? that comparaison seems me very sick.....:realmad:

it's more the kind of style how you make your suggestions....and gurkenjoes posting was more than arrogant (typical for a bayern-supporter !!!)

for your "nazi germany" posting, you should be banned because that caomparaison is so disrespectfull towards all the victims of this regime:realmad:

SHAME ON YOU!


by the way : i would like to have marek jankulowski in the file (ac milan) , but i accept that he was not the first choice, so i will create him by myself.....so what's wrong with you guys??????

im not the one pointing to have someone banned..you made my point (thanks).....It was a perfect comparison but I won't educate you on the analogy....too much animosity there...if someone was a victim and is offended ill readily apologize...as for your "holier than thou" attitude i say ....let him who is without sin, cast the first stone....I guess you must be a saint!

 

[Ducatirider]

im not the one pointing to have someone banned..you made my point (thanks).....It was a perfect comparison but I won't educate you on the analogy....too much animosity there...if someone was a victim and is offended ill readily apologize...as for your "holier than thou" attitude i say ....let him who is without sin, cast the first stone....I guess you must be a saint!

sorry maybee it was a mistake by myself or just i misunderstood....

sorry....my fault:innocent: i feel really sorry !!!!

 

[Mozvaldo]

Like h777man said, if you don't like the line ups, change them, if you want extra players, make them. The editing capability of pes 2017 is really easy. There are tonnes of face tutorials on youtube with loads of extra players.

That's what I have done with my own file, adding many players to suit my own personal preferences.

You could argue all day about who should be where and why but at the end of the day footballing legends are part of each person's footballing experience and reflect our own memories of the game. That's why I have Heskey at Liverpool. Not because he was a legend but because he provides me and my friends with hours of hilarious memories.

Hey RedTed, seen some of your excellent videos and notice you have teams that are not on this file like Hamburg and Red Star...any chance you could share those at any point?

 

[h777]

65 teams x 26 players divided into positions of 2 GK 2 RB 2LB 4CB 4WF/SMF 4DM/CM 4AM/SS 4CF is not an easy task... A lot easier to point at "mistakes" afterwards. Like I said many teams were given to me by the community. Different line ups etc. Many created by supporters of their club.. Why should I disrespect that even when I have my own line ups I spent months inputting? You have to give and take where is respectful. Who's too really say me and JeanMarcs squads are any better in a world of opinions anyway?

I dare anyone too match this feat, no duplicates and let's see the squads. Even if just typed out... (Without using our squads as a base) every player needs stats btw also. Let's see how people get on and they can experience how much time it takes to do that alone.

I don't see anyone as brat but I do think the over sensitivity (comparing the thread to nazi Germany) is from the community rather then myself. Especially when they disagree with my response. I'm not here too tickle anyone's balls. I'll say what I like. Some of you guys really don't know the effort that it takes for this, it is not just editing. Months of planning. Trying to get people to do things and ultimately me having to do a lot more work then I wanted too. It's been one thing after another really. I think the label of "pesuniverse" has put us up against it really. People are expecting as if we have a huge team. That is not the case and never has been. In reality pesuniverse haven't contributed much beside one man from their team. Not going into detail about that but let's just say they weren't needed in all honesty.

I've already stated I was done so why would I personally change anything now anyway? Especially when our line up was referred to strange and weird. That isn't the correct way way too give feedback. The problem is this isn't who has the longest classic football penis. It's alway been about creating a community to work together. If I carried on like Joe, to people who gave me teams. They would regret giving to me in the first place.


Btw thanks for the show of support guys.

 

[Camuseau]

Come one guys, this option file is nearly perfect but everything is always perfectible...

This file is offered for free and took a long time to its authors, what exactly did you expect? That h777 and his team provides a special version for each of us taking into account our grievances and preferences?

As rightly said before y RedTed, if the idea of this patch is to be as realistic as possible, it nevertheless remains that the list of legend players depends on our own consideration towards the classic team.

Creators also had to take into account the duplicates so that players do not appear in two teams.

If you don't like a team, delete it
If you don't like a player, substitute him
If a player you like is missing, create him
If according to you a player must be in several teams, copy and transfer him

Grow up, guys
And respect the work you have not done !

 

[h777]

Come one guys, this option file is nearly perfect but everything is always perfectible...

This file is offered for free and took a long time to its authors, what exactly did you expect? That h777 and his team provides a special version for each of us taking into account our grievances and preferences?

As rightly said before y RedTed, if the idea of this patch is to be as realistic as possible, it nevertheless remains that the list of legend players depends on our own consideration towards the classic team.

Creators also had to take into account the duplicates so that players do not appear in two teams.

If you don't like a team, delete it
If you don't like a player, substitute him
If a player you like is missing, create him
If according to you a player must be in several teams, copy and transfer him

Grow up, guys
And respect the work you have not done !

That's it mate. It's as simple as that.

 

[gurkenjoe93]

Everyone has there own opinions on who there favourite players were for each club but there is no need to criticise the hard work of others.

Did you even read my post before the other one? I clearly wrote this:

Pretty impressive work btw

Then I just gave my opinion about the player choices, I never requested them to be changed/added/whatever or attacked h777 or any of his team members (I already said btw that I appreciate h777's work very much)..
I don't even comment on those insults (hope a mod rewards him something for that) but on one thing I have to answer:

all those players like niepiklo aren´nt legends ....niepiklo was not even good enough for the national team of 1954

Yeah, Niepieklo, two times German champion with Dortmund (scored in both finals), isn't a BVB legend :laugh:

Great Job H777 and Jean Marc

Just for you, this is what JeanMarc considers as the best BVB squad: http://pesmasters.proboards.com/thread/34/borussia-dortmund-all-stars
Take a look, Niepieklo, Michallek, Lenz and Preißler are all present there..
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Just wanted to state this..
Edit: And one last thing: really funny to be called spoiled kit, tbh I think I also have contributed enough to the PES editing community to get at least a little bit respect..

 

[rebelinho]

[MENTION=217520]gurkenjoe93[/MENTION] [MENTION=182938]Ducatirider[/MENTION] [MENTION=231413]Slarkmeister[/MENTION]

There's no need to attack anybody. gurkenjoe93 made some suggestions, and I don't think he was the tiniest bit of rude in doing so. Ducatirider and Slarkmeister, you on the other hand targeted the other user and not his options/ideas/opinions, and that isn't right. So if you (all of you) could refrain from doing that again and stop creating more useless arguments, it'd be much appreciated.

 

[Slarkmeister]

Did you even read my post before the other one? I clearly wrote this:

Then I just gave my opinion about the player choices, I never requested them to be changed/added/whatever or attacked h777 or any of his team members (I already said btw that I appreciate h777's work very much)..
I don't even comment on those insults (hope a mod rewards him something for that) but on one thing I have to answer:

Yeah, Niepieklo, two times German champion with Dortmund (scored in both finals), isn't a BVB legend :laugh:

Just for you, this is what JeanMarc considers as the best BVB squad: http://pesmasters.proboards.com/thread/34/borussia-dortmund-all-stars
Take a look, Niepieklo, Michallek, Lenz and Preißler are all present there..
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Just wanted to state this..
Edit: And one last thing: really funny to be called spoiled kit, tbh I think I also have contributed enough to the PES editing community to get at least a little bit respect..

Hi Gurkenjoe,

Just want to apologise for my response, I hadn't seen your previous post praising the work by the PESUNI lads. You do truly have some great knowledge of past players which I love.

We all go over the top at times including the moderator (An attack please lets get real here - it was meant to be constructive criticism but then turned a bit ugly by others).

Respect
Slarkmeister