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The Computer cheats- official

vanian75

Registered User
Having almost completed half a season now in master league I've come to the conclusion the computer cheats in matches.

The computer seems to decide for itself when it's going to score during a match and there's more or less nothing you can do to stop it.

Looking at my last game for instance, the game was drawn 4-4 the match stats read something like this.

Possession Me -61% Computer 31%
Shots Me- 17 Computer-6
Shots on target Me - 13 Computer - 4

As you can see the above stats are all in my favour which suggest I should have won the game by a longshot but then computer is God here.


The computers first goal is from a free kick, taken from the centre circle it launches the ball into the box on to the head of teammate straight into the back of the net.Nothing I can do to stop it

Second goal came from a corner when the ball was deflected off into touch by my defender from a free kick launched into my box.Nothing I could do stop this from happening in open play.The computer takes the corner straight onto one of it's teammates heads for a goal.Once again nothing I could do to stop it in open paly.

Computers third goal was an own goal by me.A long ball was put in my box and deflected off my defender past my goalie and into the net. Maybe I could have avoided this one if I was careful but looked kinda predetermined if you like.

The fourth came from a penalty. I was applying pressure onto the computers attacking player when he went down in the box and got a penalty. Not a lot I could do to avoid this.I had to challenge him to stop him running through.Seemed like the computer decided to give itself a penalty.

So there you go, at least 3 goals scored by the computer against the run of play.It seems to me the computer awards itself with free kicks ,corners and penalties in order to score it's goals and the ball is in the back of your net before you can even react to the start of play.
 

stingo

Registered User
Ok another example. I had the most important game of the season to qualify to D1. I had shots(shots on target) 11(4) and comp had 2(2). Guess the result, yes I was leading 1:0 and it ended 1:2 I stay in D2.

It looks like it is programmed to keep your tension on. I always hang around 2-3d place in the table until last games cpu decides to make me 1 point less and put on 4-5th place. I also noticed I have harder games if my neighbors in the table draw or lose a game. If they win though I often also win relatively easily. This is fkn ridiculous cheating.
 

mrlee.1986

Registered User
I think your on your own on that one, yeah i concede one or two throughout the season but thats never happened to me... perhaps its the lack of defensive abilities that mean they get through too easily? Perhaps your keeper is about as good as England at penalties? Whatever the reason, i dont think you can class it as cheating just because your not winning every game by 5 or 6 nil..... :p
 

Thori

Registered User
i recomend that you at least try to lower the difficulty before you can say that the comp cheats... cose thats highly unlikely in my books...
 
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Ali

It is happening again
You lot are idiots. The scripting (wouldn't call it cheating per se) is clear, I can't see how any seasoned PES player can't notice it.
 

muscularmatt

Registered User
Oh sweet young Alistair, I can't destroy you like the rest.

But you are wrong in more ways than your mum can possibly imagine.
 

mrlee.1986

Registered User
Ali_BWFC

Scripting? What cos its a challenge? I thought that was the whole point.... Its not exactly fun if its easy (unless people are just trophy hunting of course)
I wouldnt say its easy to win the games/leagues/cups etc, but its not exactly impossible. I personally managed to win D2 league piece of P*** at the first attempt, and even got to the semi finals of the English Cup while doing so.

Each to their own i guess.....
 

Ali

It is happening again
Oh sweet young Alistair, I can't destroy you like the rest.

But you are wrong in more ways than your mum can possibly imagine.

Ali_BWFC

Scripting? What cos its a challenge? I thought that was the whole point.... Its not exactly fun if its easy (unless people are just trophy hunting of course)
I wouldnt say its easy to win the games/leagues/cups etc, but its not exactly impossible. I personally managed to win D2 league piece of P*** at the first attempt, and even got to the semi finals of the English Cup while doing so.

Each to their own i guess.....

Look, I'm not gonna get into a big debate with you both, but I'm right. The fact that I can tell that the AI will score a goal 30 seconds before it happens proves this. Being challenging is one thing, but when the AI actively moves your defenders in the opposite direction, leaving your defence wide open, put's your shots in opposite corners to what you aim, and a whole load of other shit..... that's another thing.

It's like oxygen. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.

It irritates me so much when people say "oooh, just because it's a challenge?" or "oooh, its just because ur shit. lurn 2 defend noob".

PES has been scripted for as long as I can remember. I'm surprised that you can't see it, matt, and I'm surprised at how easily you can shoot me down, given that you know I have at least some intelligence.
 

muscularmatt

Registered User
Alreet our kid, relax. Don't want to incur the wrath of the Bolton bruiser.

You're still wrong though, but not in the way you are currently thinking.

 

mrlee.1986

Registered User
Im not saying its not bloody annoying when you think your smacking a thunderbolt into the top corner of the net, when actually the comp sends it up to the top corner of the stadium, and passes going to completely different area's than you actually want them to.....
I can kinda understand your point though Ali, in that sometimes (well most of the time actually) i EXPECT the AI to score every time the ball comes into my half

However the whole convo started with Vanian complaining about conceding 4 goals a match, which apparently makes both me and Matt idiots cos it hasn't happened to us (yet?) and- for me anyway (I cant speak for the others) - have no reason to feel "cheated" by a game?
 

abu97

Registered User
éttu skít fávitinn þinn...
Weren't you the one that told some other member to always post in English?
:facepalm:

Also, I agree with Ali, every game needs scripting to run, but in PES its too noticable as everything is always pre-programmed. Its not because it makes the game challenging, its because of poor programming and needs effort to make it less of a problem
 

Ali

It is happening again
Im not saying its not bloody annoying when you think your smacking a thunderbolt into the top corner of the net, when actually the comp sends it up to the top corner of the stadium, and passes going to completely different area's than you actually want them to.....
I can kinda understand your point though Ali, in that sometimes (well most of the time actually) i EXPECT the AI to score every time the ball comes into my half

However the whole convo started with Vanian complaining about conceding 4 goals a match, which apparently makes both me and Matt idiots cos it hasn't happened to us (yet?) and- for me anyway (I cant speak for the others) - have no reason to feel "cheated" by a game?

Maybe I was a bit harsh calling you an idiot (but not matt... he is an idiot :tongue:).
The AI will have scored plenty of scripted goals against you, that's practically the only way it can score. I got so fed up of it in PES2012 (where it became more obvious than ever) that I stopped playing it. I even spotted it in the PES 2013 demo!

What Konami have tried to do, is to give teams "momentum shifts". I think this is what they called it back in PES 5/6 days. But they've got it so horribly wrong, that you can a lot of spot goals coming a mile off, whether they're goals for you, goals for an AI opponent, or goals for a human opponent.
Up to an including PES 2011, I was able to tolerate it somewhat, but I had enough when it came to PES 2012.

The fact that you can't really notice the scripting is a good thing for you, you can enjoy the game more.
 

muscularmatt

Registered User
Okay, let me clarify my position.

I am aware of the phenomenon that Ali and others speak of, it's called Rubber Banding and if video games didn't use it, they'd be shit. I just take exception with terms like 'scripting' and 'cheating' because they make you sound like a mong.

Yes, it's annoying when you're on the wrong end of it, but that's life. Things don't always go your way. When you fail, stop bitching, man up and try harder the next time.

P.S. Ali is a big northern nancy boy
 

mrlee.1986

Registered User
lol its cool, but yeah, i guess if i think back my defenders are - 9 times outta 10 - completely useless at defending corners, but yeah, perhaps because i haven't noticed them as 'obvious' goals so much as you (and probably countless others) have, - either through pure rage that my defence dared to let them score, or pure blind stupidity - i probably do enjoy the game more....

However i will admit one of the most stupid things to admit on a pes forum.... I WAS a fifa boy up until pes2010...

My Bad? :(

Although as you can probably tell by my previous thread that im still no pes expert.... i managed to break something :/ lol
 

Ali

It is happening again
Okay, let me clarify my position.

I am aware of the phenomenon that Ali and others speak of, it's called Rubber Banding and if video games didn't use it, they'd be shit. I just take exception with terms like 'scripting' and 'cheating' because they make you sound like a mong.

Yes, it's annoying when you're on the wrong end of it, but that's life. Things don't always go your way. When you fail, stop bitching, man up and try harder the next time.

P.S. Ali is a big northern nancy boy

Like I mentioned in my last post, I can recognise when I'm on the right side of the scripting too! It works both ways. When I used to play my brother, if I scored a goal which I saw coming a mile away, I'd actually apologise when I did score, because I know there would be nothing he could do about it.
 
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