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The Computer cheats- official

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vanian75

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Having almost completed half a season now in master league I've come to the conclusion the computer cheats in matches.

The computer seems to decide for itself when it's going to score during a match and there's more or less nothing you can do to stop it.

Looking at my last game for instance, the game was drawn 4-4 the match stats read something like this.

Possession Me -61% Computer 31%
Shots Me- 17 Computer-6
Shots on target Me - 13 Computer - 4

As you can see the above stats are all in my favour which suggest I should have won the game by a longshot but then computer is God here.


The computers first goal is from a free kick, taken from the centre circle it launches the ball into the box on to the head of teammate straight into the back of the net.Nothing I can do to stop it

Second goal came from a corner when the ball was deflected off into touch by my defender from a free kick launched into my box.Nothing I could do stop this from happening in open play.The computer takes the corner straight onto one of it's teammates heads for a goal.Once again nothing I could do to stop it in open paly.

Computers third goal was an own goal by me.A long ball was put in my box and deflected off my defender past my goalie and into the net. Maybe I could have avoided this one if I was careful but looked kinda predetermined if you like.

The fourth came from a penalty. I was applying pressure onto the computers attacking player when he went down in the box and got a penalty. Not a lot I could do to avoid this.I had to challenge him to stop him running through.Seemed like the computer decided to give itself a penalty.

So there you go, at least 3 goals scored by the computer against the run of play.It seems to me the computer awards itself with free kicks ,corners and penalties in order to score it's goals and the ball is in the back of your net before you can even react to the start of play.
 
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Sy14

Registered User
I have had this thought myself mate and it is quite infuriating especially in the dying minutes of games. I tended to find myself conceding most of my goals in the last minutes or injury time and it's quite annoying. Me and my mates aptly call these last few minutes brazillian mode because there seems like there is nothing you can do to stop them scoring! What skill level are you playing on too? I much prefer playing this game against mates online or in exhibition mode. For me that's where the real magic of pro Evo lies.
 
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Sachhyam

Registered User
Yes they do

I have experienced it frequently so. In FA Cup matches, they score unbelievable goals like Volley from about 30 yards flying into the net.

The best way to counter is to keep the ball as long as you can and be patient to build up on attack.

Make some decent signings - loan signings could be good.
I signed Bueno from Real Valladolid on loan. ( I have patched PES 2012 using PES Edit 1.3 patch - VERY MUCH RECOMMENDED)

He scored 24 goals the entire season in D2 League (Liga Adelente after patched) in Professional difficulty.


My team as of Last season was this, that won the FA Cup (i cheated on the computer by switching difficulty to Regular for that) against Man Utd ( 5-2 Yeah !!!)
and the D2 League :)


IOG (GK)

EL MOUBAKI (RB) COTSOULAD (CB) JARIC (CB) RUSKIN (LB)


DODO (DMF)

ETTORI (CMF)


SHIMIZU (RMF) SURMAN (LMF)


BUENO (SS)

ORDAZ/GUITIEREZZ (CF)










This team works like a charm !:cool:
 
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Formaggio

Registered User
You just figured this out now? lol

The AI in PES has been cheating forever. Those last second....correction...Those last 'split' second goals are a dime a dozen.

How many times have you been standing at center field ready for kick off after a goal scored on you...only to have the ref blow the whistle as soon as you touch it.

lol
 
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Yoxa

Registered User
You are a moron! You obviously haven't played this game if you say something like that. Ref ALWAYS makes the game longer when the CPU has the ball. Game always adds 3 more min on top of 3 min of added time and when you have the ball it's always punctual. Some stupid programmers made this game without EVER seeing a football match live apparently. :S ATM there are maybe 20% ppl who bought the game that actually like it. The rest of us are disgruntled! Konami, listen to us or you will just be getting money from 200 people worldwide. :S
 
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aftershock9

Registered User
Yoxa said:
You are a moron! You obviously haven't played this game if you say something like that. Ref ALWAYS makes the game longer when the CPU has the ball. Game always adds 3 more min on top of 3 min of added time and when you have the ball it's always punctual. Some stupid programmers made this game without EVER seeing a football match live apparently. :S ATM there are maybe 20% ppl who bought the game that actually like it. The rest of us are disgruntled! Konami, listen to us or you will just be getting money from 200 people worldwide. :S
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Lol, I actually can't believe you think like this
 
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Luisao82

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Yoxa said:
You are a moron!
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Is he a moron, or are you a cry baby? That's the question.

Why does me and some others manage to win against powerful teams in ML (even on SUPERSTAR level), and you don't, probably even on easier levels?
Well, to put it simple: go train a little more and stop bitching.
 
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Ali

It is happening again
Do we really need another thread about the scripting? Yes, the game is scripted... that's blatantly obvious to anyone who's played the game, but there are plenty of threads in which to bitch about it.
 
muscularmatt

muscularmatt

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I just take issue with the use of words like "cheating". As if the computer is somehow alive and really wants to beat you.
 
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Ali

It is happening again
muscularmatt said:
I just take issue with the use of words like "cheating". As if the computer is somehow alive and really wants to beat you.
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I agree. Cheating isn't the correct word. It's not like the game spawns an extra player for the opposition team when you're not looking :D
 
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Yoxa

Registered User
Luisao82 said:
Is he a moron, or are you a cry baby? That's the question.

Why does me and some others manage to win against powerful teams in ML (even on SUPERSTAR level), and you don't, probably even on easier levels?
Well, to put it simple: go train a little more and stop bitching.
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The problem is that I can beat ManU or MCC or Real on superstar with Portsmouth but then I come to play against Fulham and they DESTROY me 6-0 or smthn like that. I played all the earlier PES games on top player and it was not a problem (and by that I mean there wasnt some blatantly obvious errors to your defence that lets John Terry become the best dribbler in the world and scores).

I dont care what you have to say tbh. Game sucks from programming point of view and you can brag all you like that you beat barca or whoever.
 
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Sy14

Registered User
I personally think that the game is scripted yes and cheating is probably not the words to describe what I'd going on here. I myself love pro evo because I try to look for a football game that simulates the real life game I find this scripting issue a little annoying. I have played many people on live that pick the best teams and play the game like a computer game. I like to try and play it like a game of football because I love football. this is prob where I am going wrong. Lol still it won't change the way I play these games.
 
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Luisao82

Registered User
Yoxa said:
The problem is that I can beat ManU or MCC or Real on superstar with Portsmouth but then I come to play against Fulham and they DESTROY me 6-0 or smthn like that. I played all the earlier PES games on top player and it was not a problem (and by that I mean there wasnt some blatantly obvious errors to your defence that lets John Terry become the best dribbler in the world and scores).

I dont care what you have to say tbh. Game sucks from programming point of view and you can brag all you like that you beat barca or whoever.
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You were the guy that helped me in other thread. I'm sorry coz I didn't notice I was replying to you.
But as for you calling other people 'morons' just because they have a different point of view that's wrong, so pls try to avoid it.
As for me, I'm not bragging... I'm not the best player around, therefore I was pointing out that if I can beat the CPU then most guys can, it's just a matter of praticing a little more.

As for Fulham, I also played against them in my ML and I draw 1-1, dominating the game. So I stick to what I said before, you just need to pratice a little more. I played like 15 games in ML (SUPERSTAR) and no team scored more than 4 goals, and that was Bolton Wanderers, with like 4-5 players on top form. The game ended 2-4. But most games I managed to draw or to grab a win.
Obviously your defensive methods aren't working properly with the new AI, so you need to change them.
 
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kbon

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If you like football so much, then you sure have seen lot of real life matches that had exactly the outcome of your postings. Barca not winning with >70% possession, teams losing with 25shots against 3shots (you hear "effectivity" in every game)...that's why those number are called statistics. They don't determine an outcome of a game, they sum up previous games and give a probability. Even if that gave you 99,99% chance of winning, you could still lose.

And you probably have won as many games the same way as you lost them...it's just a lot harder to see oppnonent's defense errors when you attack. The defense problems are easier to identify when it's you who is defending. I'm sure the AI doesn't think "damn human, always cheating"
 
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S2M Coblet

Registered User
Sy14 said:
I personally think that the game is scripted yes and cheating is probably not the words to describe what I'd going on here. I myself love pro evo because I try to look for a football game that simulates the real life game I find this scripting issue a little annoying. I have played many people on live that pick the best teams and play the game like a computer game. I like to try and play it like a game of football because I love football. this is prob where I am going wrong. Lol still it won't change the way I play these games.
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I know that this will be met with little sympathy but I have to agree with your ethos on how to play the game. I really enjoy playing the game in a manner which emulates a real game of football and I'm more than happy to continue doing so, even though I'm getting hammered just about every time I play online. I think that playing this way brings out the best in the game and represents A more authentic experience than just holding several buttons and essentially letting the AI defend for you on autopilot... It makes me wonder whether these people are aware that defending is a skill and can be a hugely enjoyable aspect of the game when you actually do it YOURSELF.
 
S-D-P

S-D-P

Registered User
Konami need to tone down the scripting in offline master league, anyone who has played the game on superstar difficulty for a length of time will probably agree. Love the challenge this game provides and I'll be playing for the next 10 months, however some of the scripting and balancing acts are insulting to a hardcore football gamers intelligence.

Doesn't happen all the time but when it does fuck me be prepared for some pes rage, makes sure the pad is out of reach as well so your not tempted to launch it through the TV.
 
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Luisao82

Registered User
Actually, the more I play in SUPERSTAR level, the more I get convinced that I only get cheated when I allow it to happen.
AI does get more aggressive and skilful, specially when it desperately needs goals, but as I said before, the human player can also become more aggressive, cold and calculist, or use a lil more smartness to turn the increased agressivity of the AI against it.

It's all a matter of learning how to deal with it. It's well possible to 'stifle' the AI cheating. ;)
 
Makavelian

Makavelian

Registered User
Luisao82 said:
Actually, the more I play in SUPERSTAR level, the more I get convinced that I only get cheated when I allow it to happen.
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They score on nearly every corner and free kick, it's a joke.
It gets a bit boring playing against the A.I because you can't really manipulate your players that much and pressure the A.I. because the harder you press the better the A.I gets.Basically if you want to be successful against the A.I on superstar you need to let the A.I just control your players and just use one man to chase the ball majority of the time.Even running down your opponent results in them upping there game.Most effictive is just jogging about and the A.I become human.
Last year if you got good at the game you could manipulate your defenders great for cutting out crosses etc... but this year you just have to hope and prey nearly all the time.

They need to bring back more user input into the game.
 
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