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The 'Off Topic' football thread

Ziss

The Three Amigos
Just an idea, but as we've spilled over into the Keane/Haaland debate in the Evra/Suarez thread, I thought we could use a thread like this to discuss such things, rather than it causing a thread to close or be restricted to PMs ;)
 
It's no fun when it's not inflicting cancer on a thread.

Though yes, that hit and run victim comparison was the most ludicrous thing I have ever read. The difference being that Keane (the victim!!) was looking to injury Haaland (the car/driver) and ended up hurting himself.

In 777's scenario Keane would be minding his own business doing nothign wrong then completely blind sided by Halland who would then proceed to call him a cunt. To my memeory, nothing like that happened at all.
 

Ziss

The Three Amigos
If Keane had not been the one trying to foul Haaland, then I might understand why Keane did what he did. Not that I would condone it.
 

BarnDoor

Witchfinder General
Matt is your avatar from that little-known period in the early 90s when Sting went through chemo and gained 12 stone?
 

AgentZero

Registered User
my take on Keane/Haaland was that whilst still playing for Leeds (?) Haaland and Keane had a very rough and tumble match in which it ended with Keane coming off due to an injury (hamstring) after jostling with Alf for the ball. Laying sprawled on the ground in agony Haaland took it upon himself to say a few choice words to Roy. One can assume it wasn't get well soon as the next time they faced each other Roy proceeded to end Alfs career with a lunge to the knee.

Roys a cunt and everyone knows that but takes a bigger one to rile him up.

being a yuppie: sent from iPhone
 

uA - 1905

Registered User
all this discussion shows how shit the football discussion on this forum has become. ancient keane haaland shit and the insignificant suarez racism discussions. not a single thread on eppp. new thread every time man u or arsenal player takes a shit

booring
 

Ziss

The Three Amigos
my take on Keane/Haaland was that whilst still playing for Leeds (?) Haaland and Keane had a very rough and tumble match in which it ended with Keane coming off due to an injury (hamstring) after jostling with Alf for the ball. Laying sprawled on the ground in agony Haaland took it upon himself to say a few choice words to Roy. One can assume it wasn't get well soon as the next time they faced each other Roy proceeded to end Alfs career with a lunge to the knee.
Keane tried fouling Haaland off the ball (I think it had run through to the goalie) and Keane buggered his cruciate knee ligament. Haaland was in Keane's ear as he thought Keane was faking to avoid getting a yellow from the ref.
 

Ultimate777

Banned
all this discussion shows how shit the football discussion on this forum has become. ancient keane haaland shit and the insignificant suarez racism discussions. not a single thread on eppp. new thread every time man u or arsenal player takes a shit

booring

How is the suarez/evra discussion insignificant?

This section would be ruined if we started talking about any of the shit teams you support or if it had anything to do with you in fact.

Stupid clown.
 
all this discussion shows how shit the football discussion on this forum has become. ancient keane haaland shit and the insignificant suarez racism discussions. not a single thread on eppp. new thread every time man u or arsenal player takes a shit

booring

We all throught you were dead.
 

Nifty1Pound50

Insert user title here
How is the suarez/evra discussion insignificant?

This section would be ruined if we started talking about any of the shit teams you support or if it had anything to do with you in fact.

Stupid clown.

Do you realise that your posting style means that no-one will ever support your argument or agree with your point-of-view, even if it is founded on sound logic?

No matter how right you are, the way you act with it makes people think "what a cock. He must be wrong."

You champion your love of argument, but at the same time it is your style of argument that makes you dreadful at winning arguments.
 

Ultimate777

Banned
Do you realise that your posting style means that no-one will ever support your argument or agree with your point-of-view, even if it is founded on sound logic?

No matter how right you are, the way you act with it makes people think "what a cock. He must be wrong."

You champion your love of argument, but at the same time it is your style of argument that makes you dreadful at winning arguments.

What do you expect me to do, bow down to these arseholes who seem to think racism is insignificant?

Sometimes you have to be a cock towards certain individuals. The kind of individuals who don't know the meaning of respect
 

Nifty1Pound50

Insert user title here
What do you expect me to do, bow down to these arseholes who seem to think racism is insignificant?

That is absolutely not what I expect you to do. Taking the response earlier in this thread as an example, why did you follow up the question about the insignificance with the offensive and entirely unnecessary personal attack about who he supports, culminating in calling him a clown?

There is an art to insulting someone in a jovial manner which will actually generate banter and friendship, but I'm afraid I think you don't possess that skill. What you do is instead incite an argument because of your callous disregard for courtesy.

Football777 said:
Sometimes you have to be a cock towards certain individuals. The kind of individuals who don't know the meaning of respect

I agree entirely that sometimes you've just got to get mean and there's a time when you can say 'no more Mr. Nice Guy.'

I, however, don't think you are a very good example of someone who does that the right amount. I think you are regularly aggressive towards people, with no real justification. Those individuals that you label as not knowing 'the meaning of respect' are people who, for the most part, do know the meaning of respect but simply choose not to afford as much to you as you expect because they have, presumably, seen the same attributes in you I have.

For that reason, I do not have the respect for you I otherwise would. Now, I afford you respect on this forum because I don't see any reason not to - this isn't real life, you're not my friend, you have no impact on the issues that I deal with day-to-day - but if I'm being perfecly honest, you strike me as a particularly nasty piece of work.

Your perceptions of others are misguided and your responses, by proxy, are way out of line quite often.

This is a particular shame, given that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that there is an intelligent, opinionated, strong-willed chap underneath the misdirected bravado and hostility.

People don't dislike you because you're an idiot. They dislike you because they feel you act like one when you are capable of not doing so.
 

Hunter

BELIEVE
It's taken months, but I think Nifty has summed up very well, the reason why some people may dislike you on here 777.

Well said though Nifty, as always.
 

Ultimate777

Banned
That is absolutely not what I expect you to do. Taking the response earlier in this thread as an example, why did you follow up the question about the insignificance with the offensive and entirely unnecessary personal attack about who he supports, culminating in calling him a clown?

Maybe from the outside it may seem unnecessary however this guy has a history of making moronic comments.

There is an art to insulting someone in a jovial manner which will actually generate banter and friendship, but I'm afraid I think you don't possess that skill. What you do is instead incite an argument because of your callous disregard for courtesy.

Courtesy, are you kidding me? You don't know me brother. I give courtesy towards people everyday, giving way to the elderly and children when opening doors. Giving spare change to the poor when everybody else looks away. Giving monthly donations to various charities every month. That's courtesy. Being friendly and jovial towards bastards is not

I, however, don't think you are a very good example of someone who does that the right amount. I think you are regularly aggressive towards people, with no real justification. Those individuals that you label as not knowing 'the meaning of respect' are people who, for the most part, do know the meaning of respect but simply choose not to afford as much to you as you expect because they have, presumably, seen the same attributes in you I have.

Like I said, on the outside it may seem unnecessary however it certainly warrants aggression towards certain individuals on here who need to be put in order. Sometimes I get it wrong and misjudge someone however most of the times I get it right and get that person to look at their own behavior whereby they eventually adjust it accordingly.

For that reason, I do not have the respect for you I otherwise would. Now, I afford you respect on this forum because I don't see any reason not to - this isn't real life, you're not my friend, you have no impact on the issues that I deal with day-to-day - but if I'm being perfecly honest, you strike me as a particularly nasty piece of work.

I'm not overly fussed about your perception of myself or that you do not have respect for me. Judging by our interactions, I don't think too highly of your judgement. Listen, I'm not on here to make friends, im here to discuss football, gaming and other topics that take my fancy. If someone makes a ridiculous point or decides to use abusive language towards me I shall tell them straight what I think and usually back it up with an explaination unless the point is just too stupid, in which case a quick jibe will do.

I have every right to hold others accountable for causing arguments as it is not always my fault. Ever heard of provocation? I do not think so, usually its simply a case of me reacting to someone who has first used abusive langauge towards me because they do not agree with a point I make about the subject of what the topic is about.

Your perceptions of others are misguided and your responses, by proxy, are way out of line quite often.

Many have failed to argue a valid point, compared to my own and taken the argument downhill to slagging matches because they are either losing the argument or cannot handle the truth. I only deal with facts and the truth. Also, when dealing with certain characters you have to get your hands dirty as they only know how to talk rough with their dirty mouths, so sometimes delivering a few home truths is the only way to get through to these individuals. It goes back to the Biblical commandment 'Treat others the way you want to be treated'.

Its more to do with give and take. You see, me and you have never had a nasty argument although there have been plenty of times we have disagreed, There has always been respect for eachother views. Never have you belittled me or my views and so forth I will not do the same, but we can still disagree. Some people are unable to disagree without mocking or ridicule, then act suprised when I do the same back

This is a particular shame, given that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that there is an intelligent, opinionated, strong-willed chap underneath the misdirected bravado and hostility.

My qualities shine through regardless whether I display any ''bravado'' or ''hostility''. I am who I am and nothing you say will change me. I've adjusted my posting style enough just to accommodate others who don't know any better. Now you want me to change once again just so you're happy and so I don't make anymore noise.

People don't dislike you because you're an idiot. They dislike you because they feel you act like one when you are capable of not doing so.

People dislike me for a lot of different reasons. I won't say what they are, but even if I was bowing down and nice to everyone there are certain individuals who will still hate me for just being who I am. I can't do anything to change that except try and educate those ignorant ones that we are all from the same species.
 

fick

Registered User
Giving spear change to the poor when everybody else looks away. Giving monthly donations to various charities every month. That's courtesy. Being friendly and jovial towards bastards is not

That's charity. Usually founded by guilt. I say, usually.

Being courteous on here simply refers to being polite. Accepting someone's stance regardless of if you believe it to be correct. Then again, I'm sure we've been through this so many times before...

Sometimes I get it wrong and misjudge someone however most of the times I get it right and get that person to look at their own behavior whereby they eventually adjust it accordingly.

A rare admission, backed by a dismissal. This is a perfect example of what gets under peoples skin. There is never an actual wrong.

It goes back to the Biblical commandment 'Treat others the way you want to be treated'.

Is that a commandment? If it is, I don't recall it being one of the generally accepted 10.

People dislike me for a lot of different reasons. I won't say what they are, but even if I was bowing down and nice to everyone there are certain individuals who will still hate me for just being who I am. I can't do anything to change that except try and educate those ignorant ones that we are all from the same species.

Awww, now that's just not fair! Name and shame, go on, don't be a prude.

(I would also dispute the fact we are all the same species. No-one on here would argue that Matt is not human, for one.)
 
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