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The PES Series on the ps1 and ps2 The best ever?

evilBrainMatt

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Who remember pes back in the days?On the ps1,ps2 Completely fell in love with pes series it was most balanced game, highly playable and lots of fun at the same time really enjoyable addicting football simulator,The AI computer was hugely enjoyable to play against, also always used to play with my mates until late. Obviously Next gen PES have failed compared to Fifa and a huge disappointment.Fifa is a kid's game not a proper football game never had the satisfaction compared to pes only thing that was enjoyable was online.PES BEST FOOTBALL SIMULATOR
 

gameclick

Registered User
pes on ps2 was the best tech skill is right PES 3 was amazing for its time but for AI id choose pes 2008 ps2 i know its not liked much but the AI was excellent really attacking and strong
 

djtosh

Registered User
swos was the best football game ever, then pes 2011 dont care wpt any bummers say 2011 is better than 5!
 

Damo7

Registered User
PS1: ISS Pro2

PS2: PES 5

PS3/XBOX360: PES2011

Champion: PES5 (and djtosh.....im no bummer) lol
 

Sminky

Registered User
PES5 for me was the best PES, best editing and extras plus the gameplay was really fun even on Top Player. I'm tempted to buy a PS2 and get PES5, off topic I know, but reckon I can still buy a PS2 and PES5?
 

Steev09

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possibly nostalgia kicking in a little??? I think the best PES is 2011, followed by PES2010, followed by PES2009, I think you get the picture...it is different of course to say that a game is good for its time or platform i.e. PES5 or PES6, which I would possibly agree purely because of the capabilities of the PS2 compared with the capabilities of the PS3, I think that PES5 and PES6 punched above their weight considering the platform on which they were played, more so than PES2011 is punching above its weight absolutely, however on a purely gaming basis it is in my opinion fairly absurd to suggest that PES5 or PES6 are better games outright than PES2011. We remember the good points of previous games more keenly as time passes I suspect, grass is always greener from a distance.
 

Avelives

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possibly nostalgia kicking in a little??? I think the best PES is 2011, followed by PES2010, followed by PES2009, I think you get the picture...it is different of course to say that a game is good for its time or platform i.e. PES5 or PES6, which I would possibly agree purely because of the capabilities of the PS2 compared with the capabilities of the PS3, I think that PES5 and PES6 punched above their weight considering the platform on which they were played, more so than PES2011 is punching above its weight absolutely, however on a purely gaming basis it is in my opinion fairly absurd to suggest that PES5 or PES6 are better games outright than PES2011. We remember the good points of previous games more keenly as time passes I suspect, grass is always greener from a distance.

I pretty much agree with this. With one caveat...

It depends why you play it. If you purely play for the match experience then the older PES versions still stand up quite favourably to todays, if however like me you play for the Master League, editing capabilities, and Become a Legend mode then no those older games dont come close.

The master league now is soooo much better than it used to be back on PES6 and earlier. Its much closer to a management game-lite affair, were as before it was pretty much just season after season strung together without much realism. PES5/6 were great for their day but I couldn't play them now after playing 2011 (or even 2010), even if the game engine was in some ways superior the overall experience was imo inferior.

Its like suggest sensible soccer is better than PES/FIFA, sure it was amazing for its day but play it now and its just a somewhat laughable if enjoyable nostalgia trip.

Also worth noting PES5/6 were released toward the end of the PS2s lifespan when the full potential of the system had been reached and developers were doing amazing things. PS3 is still in its infancy by comparison, recent comments from Sony suggest it will be a good 3 years before we start seeing the PS3s full potential.
 

Steev09

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I pretty much agree with this. With one caveat...

It depends why you play it. If you purely play for the match experience then the older PES versions still stand up quite favourably to todays, if however like me you play for the Master League, editing capabilities, and Become a Legend mode then no those older games dont come close.

The master league now is soooo much better than it used to be back on PES6 and earlier. Its much closer to a management game-lite affair, were as before it was pretty much just season after season strung together without much realism. PES5/6 were great for their day but I couldn't play them now after playing 2011 (or even 2010), even if the game engine was in some ways superior the overall experience was imo inferior.

Its like suggest sensible soccer is better than PES/FIFA, sure it was amazing for its day but play it now and its just a somewhat laughable if enjoyable nostalgia trip.

Also worth noting PES5/6 were released toward the end of the PS2s lifespan when the full potential of the system had been reached and developers were doing amazing things. PS3 is still in its infancy by comparison, recent comments from Sony suggest it will be a good 3 years before we start seeing the PS3s full potential.


Absolutely, the game modes are much deeper now than back in the day, I remember there was a stage with no club teams, thereafter we had all the clubs from different leagues all merged into one ML, at the time though it was awesome!!! used to love Shevchenko back in the day :) and its a very good point about the fact that PES6 was the stage at which the full potential was realised, I really doubt there was very much more that could be done on the PS2 platform, a fact that highlights once again the extent of kudos deserved by Konami for producing such a quality game, I have however read that a PS4 is not too far down the line with dates suggested as some time towards the end of 2012!!! perhaps it will be the case that PES2013 will be looked on less favourably than PES2010 in the same manner as the PS2 versions are idealised at the present, the one thing I am certain of and Im sure the vast majority will be too is that to put aside defining a game by the utilisation of its platform, the game will improve year after year after year as a whole, there may be a feature or an aspect of a feature that will be different from year to year, but overall and in a general sense, the game can only improve, and will only improve.
 

Avelives

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Good points just one issue though I highly doubt 2012 will see the PS4 launced. Even conservative estimates suggest a minimum 8 year lifecycle for the PS3 (considering the PS2 was 10) so that would put the new PS4 at around 2014. Ive always said that those last 2 or 3 years will see the best games by a country mile, even now many devs are switching to PS3 for primary development as it becomes easier to program for and they start to understand it. Anyway this isn't the place for console chat really, but like I said I think we have at least 3 or 4 versions left to come on this platform yet.
 

Amateur

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possibly nostalgia kicking in a little??? I think the best PES is 2011, followed by PES2010, followed by PES2009, I think you get the picture...it is different of course to say that a game is good for its time or platform i.e. PES5 or PES6, which I would possibly agree purely because of the capabilities of the PS2 compared with the capabilities of the PS3, I think that PES5 and PES6 punched above their weight considering the platform on which they were played, more so than PES2011 is punching above its weight absolutely, however on a purely gaming basis it is in my opinion fairly absurd to suggest that PES5 or PES6 are better games outright than PES2011. We remember the good points of previous games more keenly as time passes I suspect, grass is always greener from a distance.

Well said, fully agree,

I'm not sure about PES09, but certainly, after playing PES10 and PES11, I cannot bother with PES5 nor with PES6.

A lot of people overlook the fact that the AI felt smarter in PES5, because the passing was 8-axis... therefore, you make the AI smarter to minimize the 8-axis passing restrictions... and Konami successfully did that with PES5 and PES6.

The thing that has gone wrong since making the jump to current consoles, is that Konami and EA Sports have replaced the 8-axis passing with 360-axis passing and yet, they have not changed or replaced the gameplay concept... Adding more directions to the same concept will never actually change or replace the concept, it will update the concept, but it will never actually fix the core flaws................ because it is impossible to fix the core flaws without actually replacing the gameplay concept.

Because these are YEARLY UPDATES.... that's exactly what it is, an update, not a replacement; and, as already mentioned, it is impossible to fix the core flaws without actually replacing the gameplay concept.

The passing system has more directions, yet the gameplay concept remains as dumb as ever: it is a dumb concept, has always been a dumb concept, and it remains unchanged....

Passing the ball from a wide view perspective: an obvious concept, really, do you need skills to pass the ball from a wide view perspective? With the new 360-axis passing, if the players were any smarter... the game would become a goal scoring goal fest.

And the wide view perspective concept is dumb and obvious, not because of the wide view perspective, but because the defensive system is dumb and in fact broken.

Defence: you can manually, literally, manually control the direction in which all the players run when defending... Holding the R1 sprint button when the opponent passes the ball, does not creates any negative nor any positive repercussions, it simply does not affects how the R1 sprint button works in any way... It is a stupid system, a dumb system, with absolutely no substance at its core. Yet it minimizes the lack of proper physics when dribbling and man-marking, it minimizes the weakest area of the game, and this is why defending is the same old stupid procedure.

Balance: balancing the game will expose the d-pad roots which are currently holding the genre down, we don't have proper dribbling and man-marking physics, a balanced game would expose the weakest area of the game.

You don't expose the weakest area of your game, you maximize your strength, and the strength of PES11 is the new passing system: dumb AI will maximize their strength, and will minimize their weakest link.

The potential is amazing, the potential is there for all to see, but sadly, the fact that business revolves around money; makes PES a yearly update, and yearly updates are likely to never replace what should have been replaced.

I understand why some people prefer the old PS2 games to the new PS3 games, because the old games were full arcade... and a full arcade will be more balanced; on the other hand, PES on the next gen consoles is a mix of arcade with simulation... which makes the game better in terms of passing, but worst in many other areas of the game.

So between PES5 and PES11, I prefer PES11 and PES10 because I get more variety with the things I can do; at the same time, I respect the people who prefer playing PES5, because PES5 was a full arcade, a full arcade will always be more competent (despite the many restrictions) than a mix between arcade and simulation.
 

Avelives

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Man you've got a proper bee in your bonnet over the 8-axis vs 360 passing thing haven't you, thats about the 20th time ive seen you mention it :)
 
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