To the complainers, take a look at this...

[Johan jonti]

Well it sounds like the men in your office are relying too much on you and the other female to get them through their days work. Stop helping them and they soon will have to learn the answers to their own questions.


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[abu97]

Well it sounds like the men in your office are relying too much on you and the other female to get them through their days work. Stop helping them and they soon will have to learn the answers to their own questions.


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wtf?

 

[ftgpete]

i dnt have a problem with aiming my shots but i do have a major problem with the lack of power in them its painfully sore to watch and goalies are dreadfull i really thought they got back on track this year and it seems am wrong i can barely play 2 games in a row without cracking up

Agreed mate, this is the one thing that is really ruining the game for me, I honestly don't know why Konami keep changing stuff that was fine and okay and make it worse. If they don't release a patch for the shooting then I can't see myself playing this game much.

 

[soc160]

we're talking about the exe file, not the option file, soc160.
Just copy the 1.0 exe file from the original DVD and overwrite the 1.01 exe file in the game dir.

How would i go about this on the xbox?

 

[MozzyEng]

Well it sounds like the men in your office are relying too much on you and the other female to get them through their days work. Stop helping them and they soon will have to learn the answers to their own questions.


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Im i in the wrong forum lol

 

[stingo]

go on to free training and try this and you can tell the difference after your first shots. oh yeah, on patch 1.1 pressing r2 before you take a shot was utter bullcrap. now try it - not r2 when you see the power bar, r2 then you shoot. it's a great feeling and it's great when you place it onto the top corner. also patch 1.00 players don't pressure you like crazy so you do less mistakes and the graphics look fresh. try free training

Hmm intersting. Thanks for these ideas. Well I now tried r2 shooting on both versions and I think you are right you do not have to press r2 on power bar, but can hold it. Yet I found this equally works on both versions. I can not spot a difference. Sometimes shots place well into the corner on 1.01 sometimes miss, but R2 works. About the same rate of scores/misses on 1.00 too. Now about pressure. This might be an illusion because pressure dynamics and game intensity at times changes for a streak of several matches. I mean this is not reliable statistics to say pressure is less based on couple of games. So I don't know, if more people observe this I will think again, but for now I cant see it. I do not understand what makes you to have no doubt, that 1.00 is different from 1.01 in these aspects.

 

[leeh22]

Agreed mate, this is the one thing that is really ruining the game for me, I honestly don't know why Konami keep changing stuff that was fine and okay and make it worse. If they don't release a patch for the shooting then I can't see myself playing this game much.

yeah man am the same everytime am trying to get myself up for playing it by the end of the match i have had enough of the pathetic shooting.
i got my 2 m8s to try the demo 2 and they loved it even tho they have always played fifa but they have already traded it in because it aint the same as the demo 2 and i dont blame them ,well done konami

 

[Sabatasso]

So I don't know, if more people observe this I will think again, but for now I cant see it. I do not understand what makes you to have no doubt, that 1.00 is different from 1.01 in these aspects.

Don't you notice the AI positional play is completely different in 1.0 compared to 1.01?

I'll give you one hint that you can not possibly miss, play 1.01 and notice defense (both yours and the AI) fall back into own box way too early. Now try to see if 1.0 is any different, and you will notice that defense lines are in fact quite good in 1.0.

So that alone is reason enough to abolish 1.01, in my opinion.

 

[stingo]

Don't you notice the AI positional play is completely different in 1.0 compared to 1.01?

I'll give you one hint that you can not possibly miss, play 1.01 and notice defense (both yours and the AI) fall back into own box way too early. Now try to see if 1.0 is any different, and you will notice that defense lines are in fact quite good in 1.0.

So that alone is reason enough to abolish 1.01, in my opinion.

So then it appears that everything is completely different. Players run better, shots place well, pressure is less. what else? I did not clearly notice anything of that. Players fall back early sometimes depending on the strategy used by the AI team (like all out defense or long ball etc) and you placement of forwards, their defensive line and possibly other factors. So when you switched to 1.00 you probably played a few games when computer played different strategy or dynamics of the game was that ai was pressuring and not defending much etc. Bring in the proof.

I do not think Konami changes such things by incrementing version number only a little and especially right after release. I am inclined to think that they just fixed some rushed out bugs without touching game play at all (Even they say they improved goalkeepers is just plain marketing trick. They simply did not change that in regard of gameplay). This makes sense to me as a software developer otherwise it is just an idiotic decision and totally pointless. I tested shooting for 3 hours today in different versions and could not spot the difference. People start these rumors in the internet and it becomes self fulfilling prophecy. I don't buy it for myself even though I want improvements.

 

[S-D-P]

I enjoyed the game with the patch but was starting to get frustrated with the way the AI plays on superstar. I tried the game without the patch and without a doubt its better, I did not expect to see any difference but the game is more enjoyable. AI plays more realistically and you really notice it when playing offline master league.

 

[DIECI]

shooting offline is 10000 times better than online. Offline if you aim the player will actually shoot in that direction, online though it seems that everything goes to the goalie, on a good portion of the shots at least.

 

[Sabatasso]

So then it appears that everything is completely different. Players run better, shots place well, pressure is less. what else? I did not clearly notice anything of that. Players fall back early sometimes depending on the strategy used by the AI team (like all out defense or long ball etc) and you placement of forwards, their defensive line and possibly other factors. So when you switched to 1.00 you probably played a few games when computer played different strategy or dynamics of the game was that ai was pressuring and not defending much etc. Bring in the proof.

I do not think Konami changes such things by incrementing version number only a little and especially right after release. I am inclined to think that they just fixed some rushed out bugs without touching game play at all (Even they say they improved goalkeepers is just plain marketing trick. They simply did not change that in regard of gameplay). This makes sense to me as a software developer otherwise it is just an idiotic decision and totally pointless. I tested shooting for 3 hours today in different versions and could not spot the difference. People start these rumors in the internet and it becomes self fulfilling prophecy. I don't buy it for myself even though I want improvements.

In 1.01 they fall back to the 5 meter even at 20 Pressure and 20 Def line. In 1.0 that does not happen. If you fail to notice that, then it's your problem. End of that discussion.

The only thing that's better with 1.01 is that Ai dribbling is somewhat toned down, and the other interface bugfixes. I have never mentioned shooting is better in 1.0 vs 1.01, nor passing or pressure. Keepers are just as weird in both versions.

I have only mentioned the AI positions, and all aspects of it. And if you ask me, that is the most important part in a footy game. Without decent positions and movement, the fundamentals for a footy game isn't there.

You say you have tried this and that for three hours, but I doubt you have even reverted back to 1.0 for a minute. If you had, you could not possibly miss the obvious difference that hit you in the face when you play a match.

 

[orlandoSPUR]

so how does one take the 1.01 patch off the PS3 without screwing the OF? can it happen or do you have to go back to square one?


EDIT so i found out after deleting my system data, im such a tard. lost SS setting, all the classic teams/players, all mode modifyers, all hairstyles, all stadium parts.

But i have my game back to 1.0 1.0 and my OF staid the same so im happy with that.

 

[stingo]

In 1.01 they fall back to the 5 meter even at 20 Pressure and 20 Def line. In 1.0 that does not happen. If you fail to notice that, then it's your problem. End of that discussion.

The only thing that's better with 1.01 is that Ai dribbling is somewhat toned down, and the other interface bugfixes. I have never mentioned shooting is better in 1.0 vs 1.01, nor passing or pressure. Keepers are just as weird in both versions.

I have only mentioned the AI positions, and all aspects of it. And if you ask me, that is the most important part in a footy game. Without decent positions and movement, the fundamentals for a footy game isn't there.

You say you have tried this and that for three hours, but I doubt you have even reverted back to 1.0 for a minute. If you had, you could not possibly miss the obvious difference that hit you in the face when you play a match.

I said I tested shooting only for 3 hours in training because originally there were claims that was the area with improvement. I also played couple of matches at the old version. Can you show side by side screenshots of defense line in both versions? The experiment should be with exactly same teams, same form levels, formations line ups, weather conditions etc. No reason "to end discussion". There is definitely possibility that I am wrong, but so far it is self fulfilling prophecy.

I noticed 1 difference between 1.00 and 1.01 though. Version 1.00 has performance issues under higher graphics settings on PC. If LOD is tweaked to a little higher levels I have pretty bad tearing on my beefy desktop, but 1.01 still runs smooth at the same graphics settings.

 

[brunosebalo]

For me, bottom line is, I am having way more fun with the pre patched version, the first game I played was enjoyable, won 1 nil with benfica over manchester city on top player, for the first time since a long time I felt like I could play proper defense, on patched version the script was ridiculous, no matter how good you defended the A.I would manage to score, now it feels like I am in control again, on patched version I would scream at the game imploring for freedom in the field, now I feel like I have that again, the A.I now actually pass astray sometimes, dribble out of bonds, it feels so much better, just like when I first played.
Playing with lesser teams is now enjoyable again,placebo effect ? maybe, however, I am loving it again lol !!!!!

 

[S-D-P]

At first I thought it was placebo, but after countless 15 minute matches, -2 speed 0 pass assist against the AI on superstar the game is even better than I originally thought although like any pes it can be infuriating.

- Passing has more zip
- Same goes for shooting, more precise
- Matches have more variation, AI doesn't sit deep all the time
- Less god like passing from the AI, they misplace more passes thus making the game more realistic
- More midfield play and space in midfield, less pressure when jogging.
- Less super dribbling from players with low dribbling stats, standing tackle is more effective.

I have to say its pretty sly of konami to change so many subtleties in the game and not say anything, the game is definitely better without the patch especially against the AI, much more realistic and team individuality more noticeable. The differences are subtle but they are there.

 

[Sabatasso]

Can you show side by side screenshots of defense line in both versions? The experiment should be with exactly same teams, same form levels, formations line ups, weather conditions etc.

I can do you one better. Change exe file to 1.0 and you should have all the proof you will ever wish for.

No reason "to end discussion". There is definitely possibility that I am wrong, but so far it is self fulfilling prophecy.

Between the two of us it is, because I won't spend another calorie with you in this discussion. If you refuse to see what everyone else sees, then it's really nothing I can or want to do about it. I've done my part.

 

[stingo]

I can do you one better. Change exe file to 1.0 and you should have all the proof you will ever wish for.



Between the two of us it is, because I won't spend another calorie with you in this discussion. If you refuse to see what everyone else sees, then it's really nothing I can or want to do about it. I've done my part.

Ok. I got your point. Thanks for telling me to change the exe. I doubt that everyone sees it, but rather some posters may have a lot of imagination. I will continue "investigation".

 

[Sabatasso]

Ok. I got your point. Thanks for telling me to change the exe. I doubt that everyone sees it, but rather some posters may have a lot of imagination. I will continue "investigation".

Look dude, all I can promise when you use version 1.0 exe file is more midfield play, less clutter in the boxes, and better defense lines. Those are the most evident differences, and they are spotted instantly. Because in 1.01 there are no midfield play at all, because all the midfielders are too offensive or too defensive, none in between. Midfield is wide open way more often than not. If you have not noticed, then I think you are either blind or have a mutated version of 1.01 than no one else has.

I think the keepers are just as bad in 1.01, only the shots seems to be directed straight at the keeper a little more than in 1.0 unless you use special controls button. And the fact that the box is full of players to block shots, makes the keeper pressure a little lighter, making more finishes from long range and awkward angles turn in the keepers favor. And shooting and passing seems otherwise equal in both patches, at least for me. But I am not the best person to judge that part as I never really had any problems with either in any version to be honest. Other than that I think they both could have been better, ofcourse.

So, as a summary; I am not telling you to use 1.0 because it's the perfect game, I am saying so because 1.01 is so terrible, and must surely be a huge mistake by Konami.

Another calorie spent, I hope it was not in vain.

 

[stingo]

Look dude, all I can promise when you use version 1.0 exe file is more midfield play, less clutter in the boxes, and better defense lines. Those are the most evident differences, and they are spotted instantly. Because in 1.01 there are no midfield play at all, because all the midfielders are too offensive or too defensive, none in between. Midfield is wide open way more often than not. If you have not noticed, then I think you are either blind or have a mutated version of 1.01 than no one else has.

I think the keepers are just as bad in 1.01, only the shots seems to be directed straight at the keeper a little more than in 1.0 unless you use special controls button. And the fact that the box is full of players to block shots, makes the keeper pressure a little lighter, making more finishes from long range and awkward angles turn in the keepers favor. And shooting and passing seems otherwise equal in both patches, at least for me. But I am not the best person to judge that part as I never really had any problems with either in any version to be honest. Other than that I think they both could have been better, ofcourse.

So, as a summary; I am not telling you to use 1.0 because it's the perfect game, I am saying so because 1.01 is so terrible, and must surely be a huge mistake by Konami.

Another calorie spent, I hope it was not in vain.

Well, you are again coming along without any backing up proof of your thoughts. I do not mind you thinking that 1.00 is so much better, but buzzing around the forms about it as if it is a certain fact I think might be misleading for others. I do not find 1.00 version game play different from 1.01 at all. Shooting is exactly the same, if there are differences during matches they are not at least that big you claim. Midfield is crowded and depending of the flow of the game AI is aggressive more or less. The only gripe is that AI should apply offside trap more aggressively (like in pes2011) and do not follow attackers back so much. I doubt there are differences in this area with 1.00 version until proven otherwise. I can recommend you to place your forwards in front of the box on the tactical schema not inside and that will solve your midfield problem. My calories are endless.