Universe PES second version and shit

[slamsoze]

You do actually use PESU's OF if you use the OF that has been posted here. Most of the content in it is from PESU.

And your logic that "stealing emblems from clubs is illegal, so I can steal the OF just fine" is just bizarre.

Don't you think most of the people who steal and reupload OFs also do earn some money by putting the downloads behind multiple click-to-continue sites? Of course they won't earn much, but they will earn a lot if everyone has the "oh, PESU are charging? Then I'll grab it 'for free'" logic. But if you're lucky you even get a little bit of malware in the process. And that, to you, is the better solution?

CAV i told you it is big topic, what's legal , what's illegal. What's creators rights. I am editing my PES games since PES 3, as most people do, and i know better how painful is to create something in your free time.
When someone asks money for his work, he has all the rights of the world to day it, either by PATRON donations or even by subscriptions. I WOULD NEVER like this as a stance, but i cannot deny whoever wants to do it.

OF COURSE WHOEVER STEALS someone else's work WITHOUT creators permission and especially when he shares it TO EARN MONEY, is a malicious tactic and i do not agree with it.
I personally would never come up with an Erzo's or Cristiano's or Nicoultra's OF , slightly change by me and present it as mine. THIS IS UNETHICAL and i agree with you.

But we miss the point. In my mind it would be honest and decent if the PESuniverse guys come up and tell us, this is our job, we want the money for our workings hours from our LIFE, be nice and show respect.

Where i disagree is coming as the non-SIN team, that blame other people who share for free, as illegal, while the whole scene is not transparent still, whats legals and whats ilegal. AND on top of this, if you tell them about charging money, you take the response "It is for the USB not for the OF".

I told you it is just my thought, do not want to start a Vendetta here and i know that many OF creators tend to "borrow" use kits-logos from other OFs. I have made some checks in the past and spoted in some NT kits, Honduras for example, both PESuni and an other forum had the same mistake, which shows that the other site obviously used some kits from PESuni.

But this does not lead anywhere, Big discussion, many parameters and we get offtopic.
I respect anyone/everyone who creates content for PES.

 

[rogers150862]

Worked on a classic patch for pes 18 and it was suggested we put it online, one of the concerns was people using material from patch and reposting as there work it was my opinion that if it bothered the other guys on the team that much do not post it on line.
The facts are simple any created option files posted on line will be exploited by someone be it that free of charge or paid for.
Having played the pes series from the beginning i find quiet sad that anyone should be paying for anything created.

 

[sobakus]

have fun with another, crappier OF next year.

That's nonsense, right there. Guys who run that operation mislead people to believing that their OF is better than others. Most are just as good and sometimes better. But they exploit the fact that many people (especially new players) don't know this. The market price for high-quality, complete OFs is zero,because that's what every other OF charges. And then comes universe with a very similar product and charges money. If everyone had complete information about the matter, nobody would pay - they would just get their OFs from anywhere but pesuniverse. The real problem is that universe goes out of its way to make people believe it's superior and "exclusively great" when it's not. There is a whole marketing/desinformation campaign going on. Just look what happens on reddit whenever a new player asks for help with patching the game! I imagine the social network marketing is very strong too. Not to mention that even the very fact of a different price (0 vs 10 or whatever) makes others work and time seem as inferior. And it's not in any way. But the propaganda is the real issue. Guys that made the website saw an opportunity to make money off a hobby by misleading people. And then here you are acting like you have a moral high ground. This is not a job where you can earn income, because again, the fair price is zero. If you dont think it's worth just a "thank you", then don't do it. Nobody could blame you. It's a lot of difficult effort. But if you charge a price, the only way to get players to pay is to trick them. That's not right.

 

[Caveras]

That's nonsense, right there. Guys who run that operation mislead people to believing that their OF is better than others. Most are just as good and sometimes better. But they exploit the fact that many people (especially new players) don't know this. The market price for high-quality, complete OFs is zero,because that's what every other OF charges. And then comes universe with a very similar product and charges money. If everyone had complete information about the matter, nobody would pay - they would just get their OFs from anywhere but pesuniverse. The real problem is that universe goes out of its way to make people believe it's superior and "exclusively great" when it's not. There is a whole marketing/desinformation campaign going on. Just look what happens on reddit whenever a new player asks for help with patching the game! I imagine the social network marketing is very strong too. Not to mention that even the very fact of a different price (0 vs 10 or whatever) makes others work and time seem as inferior. And it's not in any way. But the propaganda is the real issue. Guys that made the website saw an opportunity to make money off a hobby by misleading people. And then here you are acting like you have a moral high ground. This is not a job where you can earn income, because again, the fair price is zero. If you dont think it's worth just a "thank you", then don't do it. Nobody could blame you. It's a lot of difficult effort. But if you charge a price, the only way to get players to pay is to trick them. That's not right.

I'm not saying "go and buy the PESUniverse OF!"

I'm saying, if you hate what they're doing so much and don't support them, it still doesn't give you the right to just take that stuff, make your own OF and reupload it for free. If you don't like their stuff, don't use it. Everyone thrashes the PESU guys online but half of those who do still use their stuff because they're usually the first ones to release a somewhat full OF every year and people like OP are like, "oh shit, fuck the PESU guys! But thanks for all the created players and kits anyway, I guess!"

 

[sobakus]

You are not saying it out right, but you keep implying that it's somehow superior. What he did is also questionable, but it's no surprise you dont find sympathy and that's probably why the thread is still not deleted. Btw now with Vialli and Huigoman it could truly be the best potentially.


In previous years I didn't see any created players and kits that were superior to other OFs. As a matter of fact, I dont think universe had a fully completed OF last two years, not in the bronze level anyway. So i dont know why you state that everyone is hypocritically using their work. Most people in this forum use a mix of things from various OF or create stuff themselves.

 

[slamsoze]

You are not saying it out right, but you keep implying that it's somehow superior. What he did is also questionable, but it's no surprise you dont find sympathy and that's probably why the thread is still not deleted. Btw now with Vialli and Huigoman it could truly be the best potentially.


In previous years I didn't see any created players and kits that were superior to other OFs. As a matter of fact, I dont think universe had a fully completed OF last two years, not in the bronze level anyway. So i dont know why you state that everyone is hypocritically using their work. Most people in this forum use a mix of things from various OF or create stuff themselves.

Yeah [MENTION=242042]sobakus[/MENTION] is right!The base mentality in PES community all these years, was sharing common staff for free. Thats how we got where we stand today. There are geniuses in the PC section basically, who modify the game buttoms-up, and never none of them charged any money. I mean guys created siders, kiteservers, etc.... Where would the PES community be, if these guys had the same attitude , since the early days?

 

[rogers150862]

Charging for option files that contain copyright material in the form of the premier
league amongst others and then posting on youtube may well see the end of editing
as a shared option and this will lie squarely at the feet of those who insist on being paid
for creating files that contain copyright material.
Finally if i was to pay for one of these option files do i not own the said file and if so am i not within my rights to share free of charge with who ever i choose

 

[slamsoze]

Charging for option files that contain copyright material in the form of the premier
league amongst others and then posting on youtube may well see the end of editing
as a shared option and this will lie squarely at the feet of those who insist on being paid
for creating files that contain copyright material.
Finally if i was to pay for one of these option files do i not own the said file and if so am i not within my rights to share free of charge with who ever i choose

Yes that will be the point, where we will go from a legal gray-zone, to a black or white zone. If it ever happens someday, the paid OFs could be the Trojan Horse to dismiss the editing community.

 

[Caveras]

Yes that will be the point, where we will go from a legal gray-zone, to a black or white zone. If it ever happens someday, the paid OFs could be the Trojan Horse to dismiss the editing community.

The downfall of editing will be threads like this where actual content creators are being criticized for not wanting their material shared by everyone, while the thieves themselves like OP are getting hailed as "legend". That is so bizarre I can't even comprehend it. The ungratefulness of this forum in particular is baffling.

And again: it's not about being paid; even if PESU were 100% free I would not want OP to just take stuff from there and upload it himself. I dunno how anyone has a problem understanding that. It has nothing to do with money, it's about the stealing of content!

I also contribute my kits to PESWorld, they are free, and I recommend them just as much and I don't want stuff from that OF to be stolen either! And I never said PESU was the best or most complete OF out there. I just said it's usually one of the first ones to be released, that's why people like OP grab all their stuff, add a few teams and release them as "their own OF". And that is not cool. This is what leads to more and more editors exiting the editing scene, and if people like you don't even grasp the concept that stealing content isn't okay, no matter if editors have bought Premier League licenses or if they sell their stuff, then I have nothing more to contribute here.

PES players just take all that work for granted. "Ah new PES, ah no licenses? Ah well, there are a few idiots out there that will spend half their year of free time working on my game shit anyway." That's how this whole thread sounds like. But as soon as someone says "hey, don't steal my stuff, you can link it but don't reupload it please", those same players come and feel the need to say "you got no sympathy" or "you are stealing from the Premier League too" or some other shit like that. Like wtf, are you even serious?

 

[slamsoze]

The downfall of editing will be threads like this where actual content creators are being criticized for not wanting their material shared by everyone, while the thieves themselves like OP are getting hailed as "legend". That is so bizarre I can't even comprehend it. The ungratefulness of this forum in particular is baffling.

And again: it's not about being paid; even if PESU were 100% free I would not want OP to just take stuff from there and upload it himself. I dunno how anyone has a problem understanding that. It has nothing to do with money, it's about the stealing of content!

I also contribute my kits to PESWorld, they are free, and I recommend them just as much and I don't want stuff from that OF to be stolen either! And I never said PESU was the best or most complete OF out there. I just said it's usually one of the first ones to be released, that's why people like OP grab all their stuff, add a few teams and release them as "their own OF". And that is not cool. This is what leads to more and more editors exiting the editing scene, and if people like you don't even grasp the concept that stealing content isn't okay, no matter if editors have bought Premier League licenses or if they sell their stuff, then I have nothing more to contribute here.

PES players just take all that work for granted. "Ah new PES, ah no licenses? Ah well, there are a few idiots out there that will spend half their year of free time working on my game shit anyway." That's how this whole thread sounds like. But as soon as someone says "hey, don't steal my stuff, you can link it but don't reupload it please", those same players come and feel the need to say "you got no sympathy" or "you are stealing from the Premier League too" or some other shit like that. Like wtf, are you even serious?

I think we are playing mindgames here. I agree with everything you said , BUT when did the OP said that this is HIS OPTION FILE? he didn't claim anything, he said from the begining that it is PESuniverse OF.

 

[Caveras]

I think we are playing mindgames here. I agree with everything you said , BUT when did the OP said that this is HIS OPTION FILE? he didn't claim anything, he said from the begining that it is PESuniverse OF.

Yeah okay, I was using OP as an example for that sort of behavior, even while he wasn't actually one of those guys, that's my mistake. But of course there's still the reuploading issue. I mean, what does OP get out of that except for a few "cool" replies here, other than showing the PESU team the middle finger? =)

 

[rogers150862]

Fact if you upload a option file be it free or otherwise someone will blatantly steal
content from it and call there own there is no getting away from this as to appealing
to there sense of decency forget it.
I have seen numerous examples of people uploading option files that is 100% there own work and taken many many hours to produce only for people to criticise.
I personally appreciate every single option file put up by the creators as i have experience of creating them myself.

 

[big gryja]

it shalt be free or not at all and shit


and that's that and shit

 

[Caveras]

it shalt be free or not at all and shit


and that's that and shit

Exactly, it's not free, so it shouldn't be posted here at all.

 

[tosser182]

Does anyone know which teams the Other European Teams overwrite

 

[big gryja]

ok i will delete it and shit

 

[DanWallyPESW]

Haha, what a great read this was! Cheers Lads.

 

[DIECI]

Why is it so hard to get a proper OF this year ??

 

[Cobra3011]

Could someone post a picture or more from the Universe squad from F91 Dudelange? thanks

 

[vialli82]

Just to tell you things about the V2... Things was wrongly packaged.
I didn't read, but i share my experience as i'm working on it: don't judge our OF and errors based on this one: the goal was for people to play with the more league possible for now on. Now, it's all correction, fixes, extras, i really want to raise the perfection with the team.

One of our editor have spend practically all the time since the release to redo every MLS players stats. It's now practially as well detailled as Bundesliga.
Personnally i'm finishing Bundes and Others Euro all faces the more accurate possible for the "long term" i should say (re-use them), so they're more or less in HQ.

Also some faces corrections on MLS too.

That's all from the corrections stuffs. Now, we got others plans.

About J-League, it's up to date, just some extra stuffs to change/add/correct, nothing big.

And i'm not trying to "sell" our OF at all, i'm more than sincere and you'll see the results, guarantee you'll see something great in the next version, and greated in the next-next version.
I'm not paid from what i'm doing, i wanted to join a team because it's impossible to do everthing alone, even if you know how to do it, you can't stop time.
i didn't read what you've wrote but personnally, the V2 didn't fitted to my standards, as i'm a bit (too) maniac on details, and i couldn't took a look before the release, and we loose an editor too.

Why is it so hard to get a proper OF this year ??

It tooks time you know. We're human, not machine, me and the guys have done all they could in a very short amount of time.