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Unofficial - How are you doing in Master League?

stiker

Registered User
Yes it certainly does.
So i accidently overwrote my ML with my BAL league. I was completely frustrated, but now i unlocked superstar and started over again.
It actually feels much more balanced now. I can win using FC Copenhagen and defence is waaay more easy now i think. Also no more crazy comebacks from cpu when i'm 3-0 up in the 80th minute, and best of all they don't seem to score on every f***ing free kick i conceede.
Has anyone else switched to superstar after playing on top player and noticed these differences?

will try 2nyt and get back to Us.... really hope i dont get fired cause i am lovin my current team
 

Rasmus

Registered User
If you're struggling in top player, try unlocking superstar. Strangely enough, it seems to be a bit easier. Or more balanced at least in my opinion.
- Does anyone play with the "being able to sign the players you want" or what it's called? (unlockable for 600 gp)
 

conman

Registered User
i played a ML with swansea, with max funds and easy negotiations, but still could not get some players to join, which is good, because i lie that some players only want to play for CL teams, but when blackburn wouldn't let samba leave i thought it was a joke :( but i'm just putting on a patch and will maybe start one with a championship team with max funds and negotiator. I find it so much better when you can actually sign a few players which aren't free or sh*te. btw i only chose swansea cause they were newly promoted and didn't want a good team :p, i support LFC ;)
 

optimistic

Registered User
try using r2 plus circle plus x(ps3) at the same time meaning you don't rush in for the tackle buy you hold up and annoy him resulting in them losing possession. also x is used to get out another player of your team to come and help you out. train on this on challenge mode defence which was what i did and if you can get silver, even bronze then you are the master of defence. it took 30mins to master which isn't a lot considering there will be many matches to come.

Also about the cheating scripts, try unlocking superstar difficulty from extra content as that is very balanced. sure it might sound hard but it's easier than top player and like professional without cheating scripts and more tighter man-marking.This is probably because superstar wasn't intended for ml so it has no cheating scripts.

Thank you, abu97, R2+CIRCLE+CROSS, got it, will try it in Exhibition Match, i ll also go to trainning chanllenge mode to practise that for better defense.

i already unlocked superstar level, have not tried it yet, but a lot of
people say it is a less scripted and more balanced difficulty level, will
play on superstar level in my next fixture against Juventus.

I played 5 league games so far (TOP PLAYER), 1 draw 4 lose,
the result is as follows: Bayer munic 3:1 Pannasinakos(my team)
Napoli 2:0 my team
Sporting 3:2 my team
my team 2:2 st.petersburg.zenit
my team 1:3 liverpool

My chairman asked me to qualify in next Europa league, shit, there is
no way i can make it on TOP PLAYER level. I am not a good pes gamer,
so now i must lower down difficulty level to superstar or professional,
hopefully things will get better and me not be fired in my first ML season.
 

stingo

Registered User
Yes it certainly does.
So i accidently overwrote my ML with my BAL league. I was completely frustrated, but now i unlocked superstar and started over again.
It actually feels much more balanced now. I can win using FC Copenhagen and defence is waaay more easy now i think. Also no more crazy comebacks from cpu when i'm 3-0 up in the 80th minute, and best of all they don't seem to score on every f***ing free kick i conceede.
Has anyone else switched to superstar after playing on top player and noticed these differences?

I think it looks easier on super star for the same reason people think 1.00 is better then 1.01. In math it is called variance or volatility. You got a random game with certain outcome/ game flow scenario and now you associate that with the level setting while it was a totally random process. Play at least 100 games on both levels and then may be you will be able to accumulate enough statistics to compare. It makes little sense that super star is easier then top player to start with, but it is possible. Odds are 1:20 though.:lol:
 

kbon

Registered User
I think it looks easier on super star for the same reason people think 1.00 is better then 1.01. In math it is called variance or volatility. You got a random game with certain outcome/ game flow scenario and now you associate that with the level setting while it was a totally random process. Play at least 100 games on both levels and then may be you will be able to accumulate enough statistics to compare. It makes little sense that super star is easier then top player to start with, but it is possible. Odds are 1:20 though.:lol:
That's one way to look at it. Another one is to consider the AI (offensively and defensively). I've seen enough soccer simulation games and developments (RoboCup, also as participant) to know that people develop certain algorithms on how to act as offense/defense. The most straigtforward explanation is that the difficulty level sets some kind of noise/uncertainty for those algorithms (you can also call it "randomness") such that with higher difficulty their chance of making mistakes decreases significantly, or say they have better knowledge/perception of the happenings (more precise knowledge -> better AI). One conclusion could be, that the offense takes less risks, and also sees that the defense stays well (which is also because of higher difficulty/AI) which could prevent them from playing a deadly pass now and then. That would make defending look easier.
For the offensive part, as your teammates are "more intelligent", you can probably play better passes, avoid "stupid runs" etc.
But of course, I'm just guessing here either, as you did. And I'm sure we could find a lot of other explanations for it, as we don't know why this_and_that is going on ;)
Superstar is easier? -> Great, good to know. Why? We don't know, just take it as it is and enjoy ^^
 

stingo

Registered User
That's one way to look at it. Another one is to consider the AI (offensively and defensively). I've seen enough soccer simulation games and developments (RoboCup, also as participant) to know that people develop certain algorithms on how to act as offense/defense. The most straigtforward explanation is that the difficulty level sets some kind of noise/uncertainty for those algorithms (you can also call it "randomness") such that with higher difficulty their chance of making mistakes decreases significantly, or say they have better knowledge/perception of the happenings (more precise knowledge -> better AI). One conclusion could be, that the offense takes less risks, and also sees that the defense stays well (which is also because of higher difficulty/AI) which could prevent them from playing a deadly pass now and then. That would make defending look easier.
For the offensive part, as your teammates are "more intelligent", you can probably play better passes, avoid "stupid runs" etc.
But of course, I'm just guessing here either, as you did. And I'm sure we could find a lot of other explanations for it, as we don't know why this_and_that is going on ;)
Superstar is easier? -> Great, good to know. Why? We don't know, just take it as it is and enjoy ^^

Thanks. I agree with your point that explains why superstar difficulty may have better (even easier) game play, but it does not prove it of course. However as I stated there is a way to possibly prove it by gathering statistics from many games because one or even ten games might be not sufficient to draw conclusions due to the nature of the game. But the previous poster tried to. This may create more misleading ideas by making others to see things which do not really exist. No offense here.

I am thinking a relatively fair test would be if the same person played an entire season with the same starting conditions on each level and compare objective results such as wins/draws/losses, points, goals scored/conceded plus some subjective comparisons. This can still be biased though because a gamer, for example, may improve during the experiment, but at least it could be much more useful data. I think I myself not good enough for top player or super star level to go through this, but still have a lot of interest. Anyone want to try?
 

kbon

Registered User
@stingo
my bad, I misread your previous post, as I though you'd try to explain why it might be easier, whereas you wanted a proof that it actually is easier before going after the reason (which is what my post was about) ^^ So there's no contradiction in our statements.
And yes, you're right, one would need some tests to "proove" that statement, and of course it might (or probably will) be biased after a few games (as you mentioned).
But I think more important than the outcome of the games, is to examine the changes in gamplay (which aspect became easier/harder), which would take a lot of effort ^^ Just had that thought, because instead of 20 ML matches you could simply play 20 regular matches with the same teams, with a pre-set condition, so you'd have least biased matches possible...but I doubt that Superstar would be easier than Pro. Only thing I can imagine is that defense gets better in Superstar -> less goals agains you -> better survivability in ML -> appears to be easier. But again, just an assumtion...needs proof ^^
 

stiker

Registered User
well guys, yesterday nyt, i changed over to superstar.... and here are my stats.. 2 losses 1 draw and 3 consecutive wins, and these wins were against teams in the top 5 on the table in D2 master league

well i bought 2 strikers which were way better than gutierezz, so that could aslo be a factor, but i think i am gona stick with this setting, i have neva won 3 games back to back b4?...
Aslo i could have improved, but i doubt it...
and the draw was after mid season transfer window... so then again could be the players
 

stiker

Registered User
and the streak continues... although after the fourth win i drew a game, due to me not placing the keeper right on time to defend a free kick...

i think superstar is more balanced
 

Rasmus

Registered User
^ I've made a similar mistake. Placing the keeper in the middle of the goal - then forgetting to switch the curser away from him, so i hold the directional button, and he just runs in the total opposite direction!
Superstar is so much more fun for me at least. I lose win and draw, and i've only seen one insane cpu comeback in the last 10 minutes being 3-0 up ending in a draw.

Currently i'm a bit more than halfway through the first season (having started over again since i overwrote my ML with my BAL) i'm placed 3rd in the league, and 3 players just joined my squad 2 of them being loan transfers, since that is the easiest way for me to sign players in div 2. Really enjoying the game now that it's no longer top player :)
 

stiker

Registered User
^ I've made a similar mistake. Placing the keeper in the middle of the goal - then forgetting to switch the curser away from him, so i hold the directional button, and he just runs in the total opposite direction!
Superstar is so much more fun for me at least. I lose win and draw, and i've only seen one insane cpu comeback in the last 10 minutes being 3-0 up ending in a draw.

Currently i'm a bit more than halfway through the first season (having started over again since i overwrote my ML with my BAL) i'm placed 3rd in the league, and 3 players just joined my squad 2 of them being loan transfers, since that is the easiest way for me to sign players in div 2. Really enjoying the game now that it's no longer top player :)

feel you on that, i am also moving up the ladder, think i am thirteenth now, myt actually get promoted this season, if i can win enuff games, else next season... but game is more realistic with superstar, aint playin against gods no more...
 

baz23

Registered User

optimistic

Registered User
(PS3)In ML, Finished playing an away game with JUVENTUS on SUPERSTAR level, I won 1:2, haha, its my first ML win, games
i played before are all in TOPPLAYER level and did not win any games.
I will stick to SUPERSTAR level, TOP PLAYER level is a nightmare for me.
 

Fulcrum

New Member
Hey Guys, Girls!

Just started my ML experience a couple of days ago, and man- did I miss PES or what?! Coming from a couple of years of FIFA (good but, it's like cardboard-tasteless), I am loving the PES ML. There's just something romantic about ML that FIFA never, ever managed to come close to.

So I'm 3/4 done my 1st season with the rejects of the football world. I play the dutch 4-3-3; point down, with Cinalton-Ordaz-Shinzi(whatever the name) up-top. Ordaz is leading the league in goals for me, he has a decent shot.

I play to win, and 90% of it, is not pretty. Most wins are 1-0. If I get a goal- the other team can forget about 'feeling' the ball ever again. They're not getting it! it's 90% keepaway from there. I still try to score but only if its Very safe. It back fired a couple of times, but I'm now in 3rd place in D2, threatening for the 2nd.

I feel like there is a real team fighting for each other, a gang of rejects and undergdogs uniting to show the world. Little do they know that I'm saving money for next year, and most of them will be sold for a bag of balls.

The only position that I've strengethed is the Goalie. I found that the training cones were more useful than the default duche. I picked up Ikeme, the Nigerian international, who's made some phenomenol saves and won me 5-6 games so far. Well worth the 450k that I payed for him. And those dreaded free kicks at the end of the game- he's got most of them!


I'm aiming to eventually have the best players in the game at their positions, with super talented youngsters as their backup. Should be fun!
 

abu97

Registered User
I've done one season with everton and my new buys are Shimizu, Palmieri, Ribeiro(legendary at heading at 199cm! from Youth), Eto'o(to add experience to my team), Goetze, Ganso and Voichalerd(18yrs and 88 dribble speed from youth).
I finished 8th and for some retarded reason i got in the Europa League eventhough it says itself you have to be 5th, 6th or 7th. I reached my target so my chariman was happy and he has 36 trust in me. i play on superstar 10mins and i before i verse a team, i go on exhibition mode and look for the team i'm gonna play. i look at their sliders and do the opposite - if they do 15 player supprt i'd do 5 and believe me it works!

Straquilarsi is great in the air and so is G. Cahill and Saha who's a goal-getter but Ganso hasn't impressed in the 2nd hald of the season and is 81. Weirdly all my old players like Distin or Heitinga are increasing probably because of peformance(correct me if i'm wrong) so noone in my team is decreasing.

My team rating is this - 79 attack(C), 75 Defense(C), Tactics 77(C), Speed 83(B) amd Physique 90(A)
 
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