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Old 29-04-2016, 15:54   #1
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Detailed observation of cheating, aka scripting

Straight to the point, since I haven't seen anyone make a detailed and collective observation of the shitty thing called scripting, I decided to do it before I boycott PES permanently. Why would I do that if I'm never being anything again from those fucking bastards? 1) Get it out of my system 2) Help newcomers and veterans notice 3) Shut the retarded and idiotic fanboys who would not admit official cheating exists in the game even if it outright says "Cheating in progress, you fucking loser". All you have to do is take what I say, remember it, and then watch the games closely. If you do, you WILL notice it the same way I did.


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Old 29-04-2016, 17:18   #2
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Your strikers and second strikers will suddenly forget how to run for an opportunity. They will rarely ever try to run behind the defenders in hopes of getting a through ball. Even if you manually order one to run ahead (L1+R3 in player's direction), they'll fucking run between two or three opponent players!

Ball control becomes utterly shit. Your players will forget how to trap the ball half decently. They'll take forever to trap it and control it giving enough time for the fucking keeper to leave his place and go take the ball (exaggeration, yeah). If you try to have them trap it quickly and move, you're more likely to have them outright fucking leave it behind or push it ridiculously ahead of them for the opponent to easily take it.

Dribbling, FUCKING, DRIBBLING!!! It turns into a complete disaster! Freaking Leonel Messi won't be able to run properly with the ball without pushing it far ahead for the opponent to take it. It's fucking slow too, if you manage to tackle and get the ball at the tip of the center circle closest to your opponent's goal, the fucking strikers who were just outside your penalty box will catch up to you! And don't get me started on feints and turns, they become shitty and useless, that is IF you manage to perform them successfully without having the ball (un)conveniently flung right to at your opponent, again, even if it's freaking Leonel Messi!

Passes, FUCKING, PASSES! This will become an absolute NIGHTMARE if you're in BAL where you can't control the rest of the team! Most the time, your passes will be closer to the opponent than to your desired direction. There was a time when I cut in from the wing and I ABSOLUTELY directed my pass at the free striker in the box, only for my man to fucking pass to outside the penalty area where the midfielders fucking took the ball!! And in BAL, there was a match where every fucking time the players made short passes, they kicked the ball fucking ridiculously ahead of the intended receiver only for a midfielder or a defender to cut it! That's when the distance between them and the intended teammate doesn't exceed 10 meters!! That's short passes, which means long passes are even shittier. It doesn't matter what it is or where you push the analog stick. Chipped through balls, long passes, lofted long passes, every single one of them will disobey you and go in a different direction that is more convenient to the opponent. Not that it helps though since as I said, your strikers will forget basic attacking tactics. They will fucking run parallel to the ball and NOT go take it unless it comes to them and touches them which will obviously give the defenders time to get it even if they were meters behind them and the ball.

Finishing, FUCKING, FINISHING!! I kid you not, I will be RIGHT IN FRONT THE GOAL WITH ABSOLUTELY NO ONE BETWEEN ME AND THE KEEPER, I WILL DEFINITELY TARGET THE RIGHT OR LEFT CORNER WHERE EVEN FREAKING NEUER OR BUFFON CAN ONLY DREAM TO STOP THE BALL, YET THE STRIKER WILL ALWAYS FUCKING KICK THE BALL FUCKING BLOODY DIRECTLY AT THE KEEPER!!!!! Your controller input means shit when the game wants you to lose!! Freaking Ronaldo will kick the ball worse than me in real life! How bad am I? I can barely manage to make the ball go in a half decently straight path! Most my shots will stray far to the left or to the right! That's how bad freaking CR7 will be shooting! And the strength of the shot, bullshit, man! All of this will await you, given that you actually managed to have your striker's foot hit the ball to begin with. I'm talking about how your striker will enter the box, and like an idiot, he keeps running and tapping the ball forever after you actually hit the shoot button and the bar appeared on screen. Obviously, the keeper will easily take the ball. If you try to shoot from just outside the box, the ball will go directly to the keeper even if you target a corner, go ridiculously to the far left or right, or fucking hit your own teammate who went out of his way to get right in front of you to stop you from scoring as if he's been bribed to thwart his own team!!

Defending? FUCK.THIS.SHIT! I can write a whole essay on defending alone! When the shitty cheating mode kicks in, taking the ball from your opponent will become so fucking difficult you should be awarded the Noble prize if you succeed! Here's something I wrote before about this:

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Real Madrid VS Fucking Tel Aviv . 25 to 75 possession rate respectively . Let that sink in for a while .

No , my players were not in terrible form . Most of them were in top form . And no , they were not cowardly playing complete possession game . They constantly attacked from every possible angle yet it's fucking impossible to stop them no matter what . If I tackle them and they trip , the ball sticks to their legs like glue , if I succeed in a standing tackle , the ball will ALWAYS , no matter what , go back to them , if I slide tackle one of them , he fucking falls in the same place OVER THE BALL so that I can't get it , if I succeed in a sliding tackle and I do take the ball , my player will fucking stumble on himself for 3 fucking seconds , more than enough for the guy who just got launched in the air by my tackle to stand up again and reclaim it , if a miracle happens and I succeed in a sliding tackle , the opponent's player doesn't fucking fall on the fucking ball , and my player doesn't fucking stumble on himself like a few months old baby learning to stand , another one of their players who was 15 fucking meters away reaches me and takes the ball in 3 to 4 seconds ! YES , I COUNTED ! That's fucking 4 to 5 meters PER FUCKING SECOND ! That , is a big middle finger to freaking Usain Bolt !
Adding to that, no matter how fast your defender or left back usually is, they will NOT be able to catch up to the midfielder with a shitty rating of 67 running with the ball. If you were already close enough when he received the pass, he'll suddenly become the incredible Hulk and will be impossible to shake even if he's a shrimp standing at 168 centimeters!! Heck, Fellaini will more likely be blown away!! Your defenders' response time will become well over fucking 9000!! There will even be times when they will FUCKING STOP DEAD IN THEIR TRACKS WHEN THE BALL IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM!! Even worse than that, THEY WILL FUCKING STOP AND RUN IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND LET THE STRIKER GO ONE ON ONE WHERE HE WILL FUCKING BLOODY SHITTY SCORE!!! I don't care what fanboys say, this is fucking sadistic cheating from Fucknami!!

Speed? Ha! Nice one! I'm a slow runner (I can jog and walk long distances, but that's besides the point) and I can run as fast and sometimes faster than them when cheat mode kicks in. Their center backs will be running with the ball faster than Gareth Bale WITHOUT THE BALL!! And like I said before, if a miracle happens and you intercept their pass once and dash for the goal, not only will your usually fast forward run like he has nails in his boots, but THEIR forwards who were just outside your penalty box will have caught up to you!!

Body balance, also shit. Even Marwan Fellaini will get blown away by (Formerly) Tottenham's Lennon and lose the ball and then stumble as he tries to stand again for 5-10 seconds!! And no, the fucking referee won't book it.

Goalkeeping, FUCKING FUCKERY FUCKFUCKING, BLOODY FUCKING GOALKEEPING!!!!!! I'll summarize this in the WORST example to ever happen to me with regard to this. I played against Ajax and managed to get a lead of 3 goals. Not only did they score back three fucking goals again in less than 15 minutes (of INGAME time, not real world time), but they scored a fourth in a way that makes whoever is responsible at Konami so disgusting they should commit Seppuku!! How bad? I pressed (Y), or triangle on the PS controller, to have De Gea come out to clear the ball. It was clear that it's impossible for them to reach the ball before he does even with the fucking scripted added speed given to them. Yet somehow, the game had the fucking audacity to make freaking De Gea STOP RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BALL AND LEAVE IT BE SO THAT IT CAN FUCKING SCORE!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYTHING ELSE PALES IN COMPARISON TO THIS!!!!!!! FUCK YOU, KONAMI!!!!!!!!!

That's it for how the game butchers your own players' performance. Next will be how it fucking makes your opponent's players look like Superman, Hulk, and Flash, all combined!!!
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Old 20-10-2016, 13:57   #3
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Ha!

Great post, I heard my voice while reading a lot of it... I feel the same way. The cheating in ML is horrendous at times. I get that they want to make games feel important and have the form of players play a big factor in the results earned, but the execution in this year's game is just brutal. My biggest problem, like it was for me with 2015, is how the computer will go beast mode and win every single physical challenge, no matter the player matchup. That makes me want to quit the game.

Unfortunately there is no alternative that won't piss us off. Fifa also has infuriating ways of cheating in its manager mode.

It just goes to show neither team has the ability to create a capable AI that doesn't need to cheat.
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Old 17-11-2016, 11:58   #4
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Ha!

Great post, I heard my voice while reading a lot of it... I feel the same way. The cheating in ML is horrendous at times. I get that they want to make games feel important and have the form of players play a big factor in the results earned, but the execution in this year's game is just brutal. My biggest problem, like it was for me with 2015, is how the computer will go beast mode and win every single physical challenge, no matter the player matchup. That makes me want to quit the game.

Unfortunately there is no alternative that won't piss us off. Fifa also has infuriating ways of cheating in its manager mode.

It just goes to show neither team has the ability to create a capable AI that doesn't need to cheat.
I do not think AI is at the level of a real person. Even if it is you beat the crap out of poor players everytime.
You understand the reason of scripting, it make the game more interesting. It is still a game. If all is fair, people will be complaining winning every game, it is too easy. If they try to control the game by form as in previous edition, players complain their key players are never in form. Look at real life games. Some of the games look scripted. 30 shots, half on target, super keeper, hit the crossbar a few times and it ends a draw.
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Old 17-11-2016, 20:29   #5
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You could have saved yourself and us a whole lot of reading time by just simply writing "i am shit at this game"
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Old 08-12-2016, 03:13   #6
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You make some valid points in your (quite justified) rant... with me it is always either missing a sitter, or just defending that is so laughably bad.

The defending in particular, players will actively look like they're running away from a loose ball in the box and attempting to change player to run towards it manually is just ignored. Strangely it always seems to happen against Liverpool in the ML...? Also noticed the speed thing too many times. I always build a fast squad, 5 minutes into a game a 90+ speed & explosive power winger getting outpaced to a through-ball by a clumsy six-plus foot centre half playing for Reading... sort it out guys.

It has improved somewhat though. I remember on PES 2016 that most of my ML games would finish with the opposition having 1 shot, 1 goal, or 2 shots, 2 goals... regardless of the rating of the man between the sticks. So I was actually pleasantly surprised that my goalkeeper can actually pull of saves now in 2017.

Long story short, scripting is 100% a thing in PES 2017, but it isn't anywhere near as bad as PES 2016's scripting.
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Old 14-01-2017, 21:05   #7
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I do not think AI is at the level of a real person. Even if it is you beat the crap out of poor players everytime.
You understand the reason of scripting, it make the game more interesting. It is still a game. If all is fair, people will be complaining winning every game, it is too easy.
That is not an excuse of such sadism. If the game is too easy, they should do a better job at designing the AI. Heck, I hear of fans making mods for that. If they're too lazy to make a competent AI, then at least they should have the decency of only giving the opponent a slight boost in stats without utterly butchering your team and making the gameplay absolutely disgusting.

Besides, what's their excuse in matches against real players?

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Look at real life games. Some of the games look scripted. 30 shots, half on target, super keeper, hit the crossbar a few times and it ends a draw.
Oh heck no. That's the equivalent of Namco making characters in Tekken do triple the damage and their opponent doing no damage because "boxers and martial artists have off days and lose to an otherwise easy opponent". Do you have any idea how much rage that's gonna cause in the community? Real life teams having bad days and players being out of form is not an excuse.

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You could have saved yourself and us a whole lot of reading time by just simply writing "i am shit at this game"
Jump outta window, fanboy. I'll take your reply as an admission that you can't answer the examples I mentioned of this atrocity.

Kid, I can take on the AI on Superstar any day it's not utterly cheating. I had my fair losses because I screwed up, got careless, or because it just had a much better team and I just shrug it off and say "I'll do better next time". Heck, there are games like some RPGs where the AI is practically cheating by having ridiculously overpowered abilities. The thing however is that it is the point and you're actually given a chance to deal with its overpowered abilities. What chance am I given when my players outright refuse to act according to my input?

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Long story short, scripting is 100% a thing in PES 2017, but it isn't anywhere near as bad as PES 2016's scripting.
Nice, tell me if Konami gain some human decency and stop this nonsense altogether.
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