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Old 18-11-2011, 19:02   #1
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Cheaters: who they are, how they cheat, how to prevent, how bad Konami supports us.

Cheaters are clearly the ruin of Pes Online gaming,
in my experience I face everyday a 15% of these loosers.
It's a very high number, and seems to me, situation is getting worse everyday.


CHEATER'S LIST

I'll begin by posting a list of almost all cheaters I faced in 2 months of Pes 12 (pc versione) playing:
they all cheated while they were losing, except for the freezers.
If you want to post the name of any other cheater, please do it.
We will take an accurate list of them.

0-3 cheaters:


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999totti999
Alenx23
Alin
Andreajem
andreeff
Barabba
DANY1981
FCB
Hobbyplayer
mendigo
Mr.1905
Okan__52
Olmer
Olympiakos
Onemenshow
Naxo
padremario.mari
polyakov
Streplicosha10
WaynJess
Yin-yan

fake connection problems:
Barabba
Bluesman3
darktulipan
Rib-Rob

freezers:
Becks07
fabio85
flozinho
Gifty (twice)
sarabia

Disconnecters:
DonBenjamin
Gekas
giovanni92
ndendo
the_cloughie

KONAMI SUPPORT: AN USELESS ROBOT WALL

All those players have been reported to konami support ([email protected]): I've received only automatic emails as answers.
I searched their names with the "search user" instrument of Pes 2012, but it doesn't work. Very bad.
So I searched manually some of them in the rank: users like Bluesman3 and FCB are still playing and cheating.

Konami did nothing to punish them. Most of them know that there'll be no action against theirselves, and they made fun of honest users.


DIFFERENT WAY OF CHEATING

There are many ways for interrupting a regular game, that explains the different lists of cheaters.

0-3 cheating: the worse cheat. You lose the match by default 0-3. You lose a lot of points in ranking. You don't earn money. You lose 90 minutes of contract for each of your players (also those who are not on the field). Your statistics will drop.
There's no way to prevent this cheat.

Connection problems: usually done by pressing the windows button a lot of time, or turning on software like emule or similar. In this case only statistics drops.
No way to prevent it.

Freeze cheating: game is freezed, usually during the prematch. You can't press any button. The one who disconnects first will lose the game 0-3 by default (and points, money, contracts, statistics)
ATTENTION! You can prevent this kind of cheat being patient! Don't shut down the game and wait. These poor losers will disconnect after a while, then you'll be safe.

Disconnecters: you win 3-0 by default, earn money, points. But you'll lose contracts, and your statistics will drop. No way to prevent.

Own goal cheating: statistics will drop down.


POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS:

1 In the "match results menu" put a complaint button for every match played, or at least for all match won or

lost by default or interrupted for technical problems.
This mean that Konami has to built a staff to keep order, not a computer for sending emails.

2 Give players the choice of playing or not against another player.
Hide ranking, division, points.
Show statistics, so we can choose not to play with users with 60% in the last 10 games or 70% in all the games.

How many times did you know that your opponent was a cheater just by checking his statistics?
We have the right of not playing against them. Konami have to improve this awful Online modality.

System can be improved. Konami! Wake up and do something!


FINAL APPEAL TO KONAMI:

Online gaming has become the main part of games likes Pes.
The Pes 2012 Online modality that you made attracts lot of cheaters,
many honest players are losing time and fun because of this.

A decent Online support must protect honest players, punish cheaters and publicize action against them,

dejecting all the users from start to cheat.

Playing Pes is an hobby, it should be for fun, but it's becoming boring regrettable.
If you are not capable of fixing this problem or to support damaged users,
WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK.


Feel free to post advices, opinions, name of cheaters, complaints.
Let's make an useful topic to scream our unhappiness to Konami.
Thanks for reading.


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Old 19-11-2011, 12:01   #2
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I agree with you. Although I don't necessarily want my money back, i would like to play PES without staying on the edge of my seat everytime I'm winning, hoping the other party won't disconnect.

While your first suggestion is good, it can be simplified: Konami must think of a better system to realize who's causing the trouble, connection issues. Just check who's ping is higher, whose connection has significantly worsened since the match began; is it so hard? Record the connection level of both parties before the match begins, and see how much it's changed over the course of the game, and at the disconnection point. Penalize the right one. In the end, the hell with 0 money / all player's 90min contracts wasted!!! I mean what the hell? What logic explanation you've got to that? I'd rather take the 0-3 lose but give us some of the funds we get anyway when we lose, so we can keep our team afloat.

Also, as the OP said, give us an option to NOT get paired with players with overall match completion rate under 50%, or the last 10 matches... let them rot in hell cheaters.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, DON'T PENALIZE OUR COMPLETION RATE WHEN THE OTHER PARTY DISCONNECTS AND YOU REALIZE IT. (you give us the money and the win, meaning you, most of the time, know who disconnected; don't mess with our completion rate)
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Old 21-11-2011, 21:23   #3
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You're right, Konami has to give us at least an option to not play against people that we know cheats for sure.

While Konami staff awakes, why I have to be joked from users like Olympiakos and Mr. Fresh (biggest cheaters also in Pes 2011)?

I don't want to play against this loosers!
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Old 24-11-2011, 12:10   #4
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I wonder how many times these player 'cheated'. If it happens just once you should not put them on a blacklist. If they cheated against you for 3 or more times, its clear they are doing something to cheat. Behind the name in your list you should put the number of times they cheated..
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I wonder how many times these player 'cheated'. If it happens just once you should not put them on a blacklist. If they cheated against you for 3 or more times, its clear they are doing something to cheat. Behind the name in your list you should put the number of times they cheated..
It doesn't need to cheat 3 times to be a cheater.

Disconnect during the last minutes of the game, when you are losing, it's a clear signal of your nature of cheater.

I've got a longer list of possible cheaters, but I don't write all of them if I'm not sure disconnection happened only to prevent loss.

Konami just ignores our reports, standing behind the enemy line.
Well it's time to do some self-justice: cheaters have to be isolated.

Since I've not been protected by Konami, I reserve to myself the right of not playing against known cheaters.

That's the meaning of the list: United we stand, divided we fall.
All honest players should report cheaters in the list.

I'm not intentioned to be fooled by poor loosers, and Konami can't say a word about it, because this situation starts from its weak Online modality, and from its poor support.
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Old 26-11-2011, 04:18   #6
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Real_nizam and hanif_jamari

Real_nizam and hanif_jamari are the worst cheaters around. specially in mlo
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Old 26-11-2011, 22:30   #7
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It doesn't need to cheat 3 times to be a cheater.

Disconnect during the last minutes of the game, when you are losing, it's a clear signal of your nature of cheater.

I've got a longer list of possible cheaters, but I don't write all of them if I'm not sure disconnection happened only to prevent loss.

Konami just ignores our reports, standing behind the enemy line.
Well it's time to do some self-justice: cheaters have to be isolated.

Since I've not been protected by Konami, I reserve to myself the right of not playing against known cheaters.

That's the meaning of the list: United we stand, divided we fall.
All honest players should report cheaters in the list.

I'm not intentioned to be fooled by poor loosers, and Konami can't say a word about it, because this situation starts from its weak Online modality, and from its poor support.
But what if you are playing against me, and somehow, ur connection goed down. For me, it looks as if you aborted, especially when I lead the game with 3-0. Than I can report YOU as a cheater, when ur connection fails on you just once. What I find by far the worst way of cheating are players like ALONE9118 (add him pls), who pass around the ball in defence so you aren't able to get it when they lead 1-0 in the 50th minute (probably because i'm rated high and they gain a lot of points) .They'll keep on passing it from CB to Keeper, to LB, Keeper, CB, LB, Keeper etc. These players should get their IP blocked for 2 years. Can anyone think of a solution to prevent this kind of play?


btw. I played ALONE9118 3 times in quick 1v1's online. He cheated like this twice (3rd time I won). Maybe it's an idea if we all report these players, mybe KONAMI will finally start banning these idiots.
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But what if you are playing against me, and somehow, ur connection goed down. For me, it looks as if you aborted, especially when I lead the game with 3-0. Than I can report YOU as a cheater, when ur connection fails on you just once. What I find by far the worst way of cheating are players like ALONE9118 (add him pls), who pass around the ball in defence so you aren't able to get it when they lead 1-0 in the 50th minute (probably because i'm rated high and they gain a lot of points) .They'll keep on passing it from CB to Keeper, to LB, Keeper, CB, LB, Keeper etc. These players should get their IP blocked for 2 years. Can anyone think of a solution to prevent this kind of play?


btw. I played ALONE9118 3 times in quick 1v1's online. He cheated like this twice (3rd time I won). Maybe it's an idea if we all report these players, mybe KONAMI will finally start banning these idiots.
It doesn't count how many time you cheat, but the way you cheat.
The connection fails at 90' when you're losing only if you are a cheater.

It's very annoying the keeper-defender pass, but I think this is a bug more than a cheat (like players in tournaments playing pause when qualification time is running up).
It's a combination of a bug (Konami responsability) and a low fairplay.
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It doesn't count how many time you cheat, but the way you cheat.
The connection fails at 90' when you're losing only if you are a cheater.

It's very annoying the keeper-defender pass, but I think this is a bug more than a cheat (like players in tournaments playing pause when qualification time is running up).
It's a combination of a bug (Konami responsability) and a low fairplay.
I think the Keeper-defender cheat is by far the worst. Tis is not a bug, this is a deliberate way of making it impossible to get the ball. If someone does this cheat the last 5 minutes of a final in a tournament, it is just unfair, but somewhere understandable play. But if a person scores 1-0 in de 55th minute and then passes the ball from keeper to CB, to keeper, to LB-CB-Keeper-CB-RB-CB-RB-Keeper THE WHOLE MATCH, he is cheating for sure. These guys are the most annoying players out there. I think you should defenitly add ALONE9118 to your list if you take your list serious.
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Lol, why do u accuse that last guy with cheating. My stats are the same thanks to some glitch which makes the first match I play when I log in disconnect ALL THE TIME.
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Accuse? I do not post only screens of statistics.
Each player I mentioned has clearly cheated against me, disconnecting while he was losing in the last minutes. No doubt.
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